Get over it.

He's a criminal, as the GCC states, so he should be a legal target to shoot at.

Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.

Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.

You seem to have missed the point.
He wants to shoot unarmed pods in highsec as repercussion.

Highsec dwellers everywhere should rejoice at the notion, since this brings risk to what they believe is a risk-free endeavour.

Now you only want GCC not agression flags right?

Are you really sure you understand ?

Doesn't seem so.

You seem to have missed the point.
He wants to shoot unarmed pods in highsec as repercussion.

Highsec dwellers everywhere should rejoice at the notion, since this brings risk to what they believe is a risk-free endeavour.

Well, they are unarmed of course, because they're pods.

The usual highsec dweller won't be affected at all, except if he commits a criminal act.

That's the point.
He's a criminal, hence should be free to get podded.

while we're throwing around really dumb ideas, how about extending the GCC and removing CONCORD entirely?

Get over it.

Since when CAN'T you pod someone with GCC in highesc without getting shot by CONCORD?

Well, i don't know since when.

I just know that, last time i did it, i got CONCORDed.

And i am quite sure the pod i have shot had a GCC,
because he tried to gank me five seconds earlier.

You can read about it here.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=277791#post277791

There's no mention i got blown away by CONCORD though,
simply because the story sounds good enough without that. :)

Fact remains, pods with GCC are no legal targets
and i really want this to be changed. :)

I'd be glad for some help to get this through.. :)

Get over it.

It would make Hulkageddon so much more interesting

waste

of

space

Little bees post in threes
Post like a tool and think it's cool

Mr Epeen

if someones flagged for criminal activity then everyone should be able to attack there ship and pod.

this should incude can flipping and stealing, would solve a lot of the whining about these losers lol

basically "i want to ***** killmails"

and we're still going to own all of you v0v

...

It makes no sense to me that i'm not legally allowed to shoot a pilots pod,
when the pilot just ganked a miner in a belt ... for example.

Edit: Updated the topic.

Anyone who takes the risk of getting GCC should also take the risk of loosing his pod and his implants.

Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.

... in highsec.

It makes no sense to me that i'm not legally allowed to shoot a pilots pod,
when the pilot just ganked a miner in a belt ... for example.

He's a criminal, as the GCC states, so he should be a legal target to shoot at.

This is an interesting idea... to be honest I thought you could pod a GCCed person without Concord getting involved.


If a person gets a GCC, you can shoot his ship (legally).

If he switches to another ship, you can shoot that ship too (legally).

So why can't we shoot the pod (legally), which is just another ship?

Can't take it too literally, but you can disable a criminal's car, you can disable a criminal's mobility (ie: shot to the leg), but you can't actually kill the criminal, in most cultures/laws/etc. Not unless it's under certain circumstances, and in self defense. Pods don't have weapons, ergo... Just an example.

Shooting temporary-GCC'd pods would be enjoyable - but it wouldn't do much to curb suicide ganks (gankers would just go without implants).

It might cause issues in lo-sec fights where you choose to temporarily go GCC in order to engage a low-standing or neutral pilot (for NBSI RoE). Now, not only will everyone be free to shoot at you for going GCC, but they'll also be able to take shots at your pod without becoming GCC.

Could be good, could be bad.

Can't take it too literally, but you can disable a criminal's car, you can disable a criminal's mobility (ie: shot to the leg), but you can't actually kill the criminal, in most cultures/laws/etc. Not unless it's under certain circumstances, and in self defense. Pods don't have weapons, ergo... Just an example.

Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.

Shooting temporary-GCC'd pods would be enjoyable - but it wouldn't do much to curb suicide ganks (gankers would just go without implants).

It might cause issues in lo-sec fights where you choose to temporarily go GCC in order to engage a low-standing or neutral pilot (for NBSI RoE). Now, not only will everyone be free to shoot at you for going GCC, but they'll also be able to take shots at your pod without becoming GCC.

Could be good, could be bad.

Those that say it won't stop the activities are right and, as such, it opens up a new type of highsec group and new options for "hiring mercs" to help protect.

Nother profe how brainless most gankers are ...... *sig*.

I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.

Yes, but it would stop the station humping "hi-sec PvPers" that like to sit in docking range in brick Proteuses and Vindi and such with slave implants.

I would LOVE for the GCC flag to transfer to pods.

shouldn't call people brainless when you can't spell meight

Why would anyone who is currently piloting a Proteus or a Vindicator get a GCC?

You're reducing the topic to a rather small, chance based part of it.

Maybe read the OP again without reading only what you want to read.

It's not about shooting pods with "expensive implants",
it's about shooting pods of pilots who are criminals.

The point is that they are criminals and it doesn't make sense
not being able to legally shoot the pod of a criminal.

I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.

I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.

By that logic, people who steal an apple should have their hands cut off.

The new bounty sytem is situational, the hunter gets what he shoots. If the bad guy flies in a shuttle with an empty clone, shooting him will pay out almost nothing.

Are you really sure you understand ?

Doesn't seem so.

As a ganker, I wouldn't notice the change in mechanic. You will not catch my pod.

As a ganker, I wouldn't notice the change in mechanic. You will not catch my pod. I assume someone's going to try for it anyway and I'm in warp before I'm exploded. If you did manage it, I'd be congratulating you and laughing at my own fail. The only people this mechanic change could possibly hurt are newbs who are surprised by their ship suddenly being replaced by a pod and sit around there waiting to be targeted. Me? I'm warped out and in a station before you realize what happened.

I can not agree with that idea, simply because gankers use cheap thrashers and empty clones anyway.

usual ganker/pvp'er argument: if less ships got blown up, whom to sell any stuff to? well, either people carry on with doing lots of mining/industry/pve to afford some pve, or - if pvp ship loss rate wasnt as high - they could spend a lower percentage of their time in mining/industry/pve to do more pvp. this would mean more engagements, more adrenaline. how? increase the chance to survive engagements, e.g. by
- overall increase of HP for all ships. favor hull HP, making them harder to utilize for logistics. new tactics, more variety.
- make warp scrambling chance-based like ECM. (favors web+bounce tactics)
- introduce first/new counter(s) to high alpha (e.g. new logistics: remote resistances or Chaff (reducing signature radius))
- factor victim's and attacker's sec status in to concord response times. make high standings give you an advantage!
this would change balancing, making ganking harder - it needs more players or more expensive fitting to accomplish the job. and adds unforeseeable variables to the ganking game!

i find it ridiculous how easy it is to gank a 170k EHP freighter in highsec. do the math what you are "allowed" to fit on a pve-BS not to be eligible for ganking. laughable.

I'll catch you, you just wait and see...

(StillBorn waves his fist in defiance)...

on the other hand... maybe ganking in itself is part of the problem... that it is possible first place to deal so much damage in so short time with so little invest. some thoughts in this post #75...

You've got a month to plot your revenge and catch them in something expensive. Why isn't that enough?

Great now whenever a 5 day old character goes GCC because he accidently shot a wreck in an asteroid belt I can pod him!

actually i am unaware: shooting a wreck gives you GCC?!

but even if it did, as pointed out earlier, getting podded as a noob is basically no extra cost. it is exactly made this way so you can learn without repercussions. the only loss is the ship+fitting.

This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. CONCORD will kill you!

Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action?

You seem to argue both sides. On the one hand, gankers use these barely used, throw-away accounts and you need to be able to pod them to make them PAY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE!!! because expecting them to be huntable is a laughable proposition....on the other hand, podding newb toons costs them nothing.

So which is it? Are people out there ganking on their main, or another well trained, often used character that you could hunt down and get revenge upon....or are they ganking on toss-outs they don't care about and only play for this one purpose?

As a ganker, I wouldn't notice the change in mechanic. You will not catch my pod.

You've got a month to plot your revenge and catch them in something expensive. Why isn't that enough?

On the other hand, hearing the tears of those that got popped when they shot a flashy pod is quite laughable and would be sorely missed.

I never go GCC and if I did I'd be able to get my pod out so +1 because of all the newbies I'll get to pod kill because they clicked the wrong button.

Speaking as someone who loves shooting pods, I support the OP wholeheartedly.

It would make Hulkageddon so much more interesting

I'm not arguing against it, nor am I being sarcastic. I think it's a great idea because I will be able to get alot of free highsec podkills, it's just funny that this mechanic change would benefit my gameplay, hurt cute newbies and barely effect suicide gankers at all.

I'm all fot it.

Theres way too much hatred in your words.

Thanks for proving my point. You should ask somebody to read your post out loud, so you can hear it. No use talking to people like you. Your ego is too much in the way. Now please stop derailing the thread, else i will just ask a mod to remove your posts. Goodbye.

Not want to crush your dreams, but i'm quite sure it won't be as easy as you wish it to be. :)

Anyway, you're quite contra-productive to your own wish, because it seems that noobs
are the only real argument against it, although personally, i don't see the issue.

There's rather a chance you'll get banned for it, actually.
Depends on how this goes through, if it ever goes through.

And, mind you, it WILL effect suicide gankers more than you want to believe ...
... especially, but not needfully, when combined with a better bounty system ... :)

Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.

Believe me I don't have any pre-disposition to side with suicide gankers, it's not something I do.

If you have some information about what can lock a pod in highsec before it can align out I'd love to know about it because my sensor boosting interceptor has trouble sometimes.
Just FYI shooting newbies is not against the rules.

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

If you have some information about what can lock a pod in highsec before it can align out I'd love to know about it because my sensor boosting interceptor has trouble sometimes.
Just FYI shooting newbies is not against the rules.

yo make podkills show if the guy had an insufficent clone

Thrasher, quicklock:

7x 280mm Arty II

2x SEBO II, scan res
1 warp disruptor II

lows- whatever

1x ACR I
2x Targeting System Subcontroller I

It locks pods before the game can even display the "locking" graphic

it's an alpha thrasher: the pod should be dead as soon as you lock

why the hell do you have a warp disruptor on there

my ~wootinator mini~ podkillers have no need of such nonsense

You're right on this one, but i'd consider using a thrasher for killing pods actually boring.

I mean ... where's the fun in that ?

I'd rather use my Stiletto, slowly kill them with two guns only,
and watch them suffer as they can't do anything except wait for the inevitable ... >:D

I thought that CCP Soundwave was an audio tech hosting the alliance tournament because of CCP budget issues for the longest time.

He's actually lead game designer or something like that.

He was responsible for Incarna?

Okay ... so ?

or you can just not be a wuss and pod people anyway

It was clearly a question because of -> ?

Why did you answer it with an ok and then another -> ?

This makes no sense.

Or these ganker teams/pirates could stop crying carebear tears in secret and expecting free pod protection while they troll hisec.

you can live out your dreams of roleplaying as a space cop

and if i see your pod its dead even with concord around :3:

Too bad you don't even have bounty on your head,
so you're not worth it anyway. ^^

no wonder you insist on mining ice

what a pathetic carebear

'i only kill defenseless pods if i'm paid to do it'

sheesh

no wonder you insist on mining ice

That makes no sense.
You kill defenseless miners, too.

I get it.. You really do enjoy "your pose".

But from what i get you actually agree. You just try to make the one asking for it feel bad or angry.

I dont care either way.

I am care-bear.

my pod can get shot 24/7 so i'm cool with it being easier to shoot pods

i just want to know when in addition to jacking all of a miner's implants I made him lose sp

of course i do

i don't go 'well killing this miner is insufficent isk per hour i guess i won't do it' i go 'hey look a mackinaw with five repping ships: time to call in a tornado and woot to high heaven when it alphas the mack'

i just want to know when in addition to jacking all of a miner's implants I made him lose sp

That's actually a really good point. Now we have implants on pod killmails the next logical step is showing SP loss.

The sound of maniacal laughter on teamspeak because you just popped a pod that you know contained half of the isk a person ever earned is musical to me, the only thing better would be knowing when you broke a persons ability to actually use ships.

The victim gets a mail about what skill they lose from a t3 loss, so should include the same info on the KM

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

I'm going to pod your ass!

Yeah that'd actually be nice to know, too.
Hard to believe anybody could be that stupid to forget to update his clone.

That said, it probably happens hundreds of times every day. *lol*

i am reliably informed your average highsec idiot considers it a 'waste of sp' since nobody pods in highsec

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

'waste of sp' ... waste of isk, you mean ?

Yeah ... true ... nobody pods in highsec. Ever. ^^

Hey, btw, will you sponsor ships at Hulkaggeddon V or just sponsor prices ? ^^

I'm going to pod your ass!

i am reliably informed your average highsec idiot considers it a 'waste of sp' since nobody pods in highsec

I'm going to pod your ass!

/me turns on popcorn machine

Who wants a bag? Butter?

You know, sometimes i think i'm on the "wrong side" of EvE.

But it's no fun shooting defenseless ships who didn't do any harm.
It's more fun shooting defenseless pods who are considered bad guys.

I guess i'm not that different from you guys anyway ..... ^^
(... except that i don't do groupstuff, i don't subordinate and i don't take orders from anybody. ^^)

yo make podkills show if the guy had an insufficent clone

Gankers cost you your ship ... and you compare that to stealing an apple.


You are bringing real life into a game.

There are only those rules the makers apply to the game.

There are only those common beliefs, (is "common beliefs" the right wording here ?)
that every player accepts by and for himself,
or those that get forced onto him ... by the makers.


Just because you believe things are "right",
doesn't mean that there needs to be a global consensus about ...
... what you believe is "right".

You could be "wrong", too.

You can't tell and don't know if it's a "regress". They could be living by the hard laws of nature,
instead of that sickening [whatever] people believe they have in "modern" societies.


Anyway, philosophy is offtopic.


The concept of "Live and Death" doesn't apply at all,
simply because we can not die.

There is no murder in EvE,
because nobody can die.

One can only commit suicide, or "his girlfriend deleted his characters".


Common-Sense is something that even in the real world doesn't get applied, (or used)
and in EvE we're still a bunch of humans sitting in front of a computer,
and aren't people from an imaginary future, living with beliefs you think these people "have" ...

... or "may have" ... but actually: "may or may not have".



LONG STORY SHORT:

You went totally offtopic.
Please stick to the topic at hand, or open another thread about it. :)


I only want to be able to legally shoot pods that have a GCC,
simply because they are criminals and because it makes sense, too.

You're right, I apologize for adding any depth or logic to this discussion. It's a video game, after all.

And no, I didn't go off-topic. I simply went deeper than you wanted to bother with. You simply read it as "TL;DR" and dismissed it, typical.

Compairing an immortal, extra legal, cybernetic pilot to an apple thief. That's depth and logic all right. The depth of a puddle and the logic of a spin doctor.

If you want to add hyperbole to the logic, yes. I'm not going to sit here, and parse your logic for you. If you don't understand, and can't understand metaphor and how it applies in comparative logic, that's simply your problem. Not mine.

Once again, you've been struck by "TL;DR". Critical Thinking failure.

Either way, it's being done. So. We'll see what the result of this is.

or they're a bot, and boy a lot of ice miners don't even notice they got blown up

i'm boring.

I know all about every fact of life, especially about future ethics.

This, like the Crucible expansion, is just another buff to gankers and boat-violencers, and isn't going to help the average pubbie. But we can leave it to said pubbie demand this kind of change. And frankly, I'm fine with it.

I'm going to make this happen.

Death to pods!

This is a really bad idea.

But hey, maybe I can prove it later after I bait some idiots into shooting me?

Consider this before protecting your macromining playerbase! Thanks!

Can't..... resist.... must... fight it........ urgh....


UMAD?

But hey, maybe I can prove it later after I bait some idiots into shooting me?

Consider this before protecting your macromining playerbase! Thanks!

please do, this will just provide a more engraining learning experience, which can be considered very helful!

how would a bot be more protected now? you think mining bots do pod now?

Uthink pods are that easy to catch without bubbles? lmao

I never lost one in Amamake.

You, sir, are obviously a natural born genius in psychology
and posses the gift of being able to remotely read peoples minds.


I am very impressed.

This is a really bad idea.

But hey, maybe I can prove it later after I bait some idiots into shooting me?

Consider this before protecting your macromining playerbase! Thanks!

This is a really bad idea.

But hey, maybe I can prove it later after I bait some idiots into shooting me?

Consider this before protecting your macromining playerbase! Thanks!

That only works if you assume the defender in question is dumber that a Goon....

And while I admit to flying high, even i'm not spaced enough to fall for those tricks....
And I think your confused, this is not so much about protecting the miners, as it is about annoying Goons, that is the real fun in the game....

I don't know the exact mechanics but it's quite probable that if you shoot his pod he or his friends can come back legally in a sweet combat ship and wipe the belt clean