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Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.16 07:28:00 - [1] Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:28:13 Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:27:55 Yesterday I recieved the mail that we have been war dec'd by Cruel Denim. Cruel Denim are a Merc corp and were, apparently, hired to go to war with Ecosse. No reason has been given for this war and the client was not named. There has been a settlement fee of 25mil Isk issued if we want to stop the war, that we will not pay. Everyone has there job to do, but since we are all indy based with 0 fighting skills then this war will not be fun for the merc corp, I take this opertunity to have a holiday from mining and sit in my lovely station reading those skill books. If the client wishes to discuss the reason behind this war then please contact me. Liu Scottish and Proud. Ecosse Manufacturing
Sochin	Posted - 2006.06.16 07:39:00 - [2] 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? Nemo me impune lacessit
Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.16 07:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:45:31 This section of the forum is not only for large alliances. Quote: This forum is for the discussion of ingame politics, conflicts, and other matters regarding player corporations, alliances and organizations in EVE. News and press releases may also be posted here for information and/or discussion. So as the section description syas, I am well within my right to post here. Also I would like to speak to the client to try a resolve this issue peacefully.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.06.16 11:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Liu Lijuan So as the section description syas, I am well within my right to post here. and judgin by the incredible amount of replys noone cares. thats the point your friendly neighbourhood bobbit tried to make. ;) Originally by: Liu Lijuan Also I would like to speak to the client to try a resolve this issue peacefully. cheaper than 25m?!? btw your "We are carebears and can not fight so there will be no fun for the merc corp" attitude sucks. get into some disposable ships, gang up and start fighting back. you might actually learn some real pvp skills. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.16 11:55:00 - [5] Please keep this post smack free. 25mil is maybe little for you people but its a lot for a small corp that has not long started and 25mil would take use weeks to earn back. I dont care about how many replies I get, rather than trying to contact the "client" to find out why this has happened. These forums are not only just for the big guys, us small fish need a space to talk too, and simply want to find out why this happened. So, yeah, taking afew frigs out to be popped everytime does not sound like fun. I simply have 0 combat skills up against a 2 year old char. Once I have the indy skills I have then it will be different as empire life sucks so moving to 0.4 or less is much better, but those are long plans. So please keep the forums smack free.
Exploding Fist	Posted - 2006.06.16 12:30:00 - [6] Well you shouldnt worry to much. If the settlement is 25m isk then the mercs cant be state of the art ;) So dont be afraid to have a go at them. Try to engage them a few times and see how you do. I bet it will be fun. It wont be 2 years old players. 25m isk says it all. Hell, id even fund some t1 frigs for ya hehe.
Oxymoronic	Posted - 2006.06.16 12:56:00 - [7] did you intentionaly name your corp after the french name for scotland?
heilio	Posted - 2006.06.16 13:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Sochin 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? It's better than reading about you guys 24/7
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2006.06.16 15:40:00 - [9] King Liu is RIGHT!!
Irrilian	Posted - 2006.06.16 15:56:00 - [10] Buried under all the angst, melodrama and smack thereÆs actually something useful in this forum. Take a look at this thread: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense - - - The Big Blue, ôExodus realised.ö

Rick Thwaites	Posted - 2006.06.16 16:25:00 - [11] What is the name of the mercenary corp that war dec-ed you? If you don't feel comfortable posting it on the forums please EVE mail it to me. --
Mr Happ	Posted - 2006.06.16 16:27:00 - [12] Originally by: heilio Originally by: Sochin 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? It's better than reading about you guys 24/7 QTF And the big alliances need to stop thinking of this area as there own personal posting area. It's others aswell yanno LDT Recruitment
Sochin	Posted - 2006.06.16 16:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Mr Happ Originally by: heilio Originally by: Sochin 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? It's better than reading about you guys 24/7 QTF And the big alliances need to stop thinking of this area as there own personal posting area. It's others aswell yanno Stop being so bitter, its unattractive. What I meant was there really isn't anything to discuss with this topic, and it might as well have been done in EVEmail. Nemo me impune lacessit
Shiraz Merlot	Posted - 2006.06.16 17:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Sochin What I meant was there really isn't anything to discuss with this topic, and it might as well have been done in EVEmail. Forums aren't just for discussion. They also contain the written history of Eve. /k
Alenia DiCaan	Posted - 2006.06.16 17:03:00 - [15] Judging by the amount demanded and your corp history, it's likely that Cruel Denim aren't mercs at all, or wannabe mercs at best. They more likely high-sec pirates that pick industry corps to extort. There is probably no client to settle things with. How you deal with it is up to you. Growing some nuts and fighting back is a popular thing to suggest, but not always so easy, depending on how your collective SP and wallets add up. Paying them off means they succeed and go on to another corp, possibly using you and others as trophies when claiming to be successful mercs to real clients. Playing station simulator will ruin your gaming for a while, you could always have some chars quit the corp and go mine their brains out. You'll obviously be called cowards by the high-sec pirates who want easy kills, but it's a nice middle-finger gesture to their tactics.
Sochin	Posted - 2006.06.16 17:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Shiraz Merlot Originally by: Sochin What I meant was there really isn't anything to discuss with this topic, and it might as well have been done in EVEmail. Forums aren't just for discussion. They also contain the written history of Eve. /k This particular forum is named "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" Nemo me impune lacessit
Alyss Enna	Posted - 2006.06.16 17:45:00 - [17] Hi i'm sorely bored with EVE. Helping out newer players though, that might be fun. If you want help, EVE-mail me the name of the corp (because i have a crappy memory) and the names of all the people from that corp you've seen so far. I will do some checking, and if i think i can do something i will contact you. Obviously, this is not my main.
Quarantine	Posted - 2006.06.16 18:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Quarantine on 16/06/2006 18:00:36 Originally by: Sochin This particular forum is named "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" This is mainly a forum for statements, the flaming and smacktalk that follows those can hardly be called discussions ;)
heilio	Posted - 2006.06.16 18:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Shiraz Merlot Originally by: Sochin What I meant was there really isn't anything to discuss with this topic, and it might as well have been done in EVEmail. Forums aren't just for discussion. They also contain the written history of Eve. /k This particular forum is named "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" And not "Bob or Goonsquad Discussions" :p
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2006.06.16 18:12:00 - [20] 25 mill sounds cheap to me. I wouldn't undock for less then a quarter bill

Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.16 18:41:00 - [21] Well thank you for all the kind comments, and for those who say why post here. I posted here to see if the "client" would talk, as to the reason why. I have done nothing except build and sell stuff...ok I may under cut people and take less pofit but surely thats not a good reason for a war I have decided to fit up a few frigs just for fun, but I kow it will bee pointless
Pabs Sco	Posted - 2006.06.16 18:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Liu Lijuan Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:45:31 This section of the forum is not only for large alliances. Quote: This forum is for the discussion of ingame politics, conflicts, and other matters regarding player corporations, alliances and organizations in EVE. News and press releases may also be posted here for information and/or discussion. So as the section description syas, I am well within my right to post here. Also I would like to speak to the client to try a resolve this issue peacefully. Nice move there Liu, this place is a discussion area and as you quoted, this forum does deal with "conflicts", for "Corps, alliances and organisations. I see your only 3 months old and looking at the ceo for cruel denim he is 2 years old, but corp only a few days, so cant relly see how good they are. As for no reason for the war, then I would simply ignore them, or fight them. In the long run it will cost them more to keep the war going. And to BoB, stop smacking where you dont belong. ------------ Max sig image dimensions are 400w x 120h and 24,000 byte filesize. --Jorauk
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.06.16 19:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Irrilian Buried under all the angst, melodrama and smack thereÆs actually something useful in this forum. Take a look at this thread: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense Dang, beaten to it. Although it stands I think my guide is helpful, if you have any questions just send me a convo ingame =) My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Rita Banana	Posted - 2006.06.16 19:36:00 - [24] Since you use industrial ships, you have at least frigate skills, so it does not take too long to train basic gunnery or missiles skills You've been war dec'ed by a 4 men corp, so just jump in your frig and have a go at them. 5 or 6 frig with T1 gear in it will crush any ship upto BC. Honestly , you can squeeze them like a mouse , the only thing you really need is the will.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.06.16 20:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Rick Thwaites What is the name of the mercenary corp that war dec-ed you? If you don't feel comfortable posting it on the forums please EVE mail it to me. what about readin the post BEFORE answering?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2006.06.16 20:37:00 - [26] Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 16/06/2006 20:38:47 Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 16/06/2006 20:38:14 Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Mr Happ Originally by: heilio Originally by: Sochin 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? It's better than reading about you guys 24/7 QTF And the big alliances need to stop thinking of this area as there own personal posting area. It's others aswell yanno Stop being so bitter, its unattractive. What I meant was there really isn't anything to discuss with this topic, and it might as well have been done in EVEmail. So could many of alot of the other alliance/corp posts, and as he is saying he allowed to post here. Go smack some alt thread instead please. And to the poster, buy some Tech I frigs and go have fun =). Posting and you!
Ishimaru emi	Posted - 2006.06.16 20:48:00 - [27] I think the main point here, is yet another small corp getting war dec'd No matter how big or small the ransom, what fun is there in picking on targets that are obviously going to get ganked in combat? MercÆs should by nature looking for harder kills to show how good they are not at how good they are at spanking carebears, thats not something to be proud off is it ?
Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.16 21:04:00 - [28] Well one of their members has quit the corp, as he has posted on the forums looking for a new corp and I spent today training missile and gun skills fitted a merlin and the 2 I know who are in corp are offline
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.06.16 21:06:00 - [29] If the settlement is 25mill, then it's not the mercs. No merc corp would even read a proposal if it's only about 25 mill ISK. You can get in combat ships and engage them. Soon, you'll see that they will be playing station sim game
xenodia	Posted - 2006.06.16 21:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Liu Lijuan Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:28:13 Edited by: Liu Lijuan on 16/06/2006 07:27:55 Yesterday I recieved the mail that we have been war dec'd by Cruel Denim. Cruel Denim are a Merc corp and were, apparently, hired to go to war with Ecosse. No reason has been given for this war and the client was not named. There has been a settlement fee of 25mil Isk issued if we want to stop the war, that we will not pay. Everyone has there job to do, but since we are all indy based with 0 fighting skills then this war will not be fun for the merc corp, I take this opertunity to have a holiday from mining and sit in my lovely station reading those skill books. If the client wishes to discuss the reason behind this war then please contact me. Liu Scottish and Proud. Ecosse Manufacturing 1) In all liklihood there is no client. You have a bored pirate corp that wants to pretend they are mercs, and extort money from you 2) If there were a client, chances are A) The mercs wouldnt offer a buyout of the contract or B) it would be way more than 25 mil. 3) If the "mercs" that war dec'd you are willing to go away for 25 mil, they probably suck. 25 mil is like half a frigate and fittings for most experienced players. Just get yourself into some disposable frigates like kestrels, griffins, etc and fight back. You might even inflict some losses, at which point this problem will probably go away on its own. Check out my recruiting post here

Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.16 23:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Irrilian Buried under all the angst, melodrama and smack thereÆs actually something useful in this forum. Take a look at this thread: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense ^^ Thats a helpful thread. Most important thing is to work as a team and have a bit of fun (on your terms) If that doesn't work scare them off with offers of fried Mars bars or haggis
Rita Banana	Posted - 2006.06.16 23:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Liu Lijuan I spent today training missile and gun skills fitted a merlin and the 2 I know who are in corp are offline Glad to hear that, honestly its all good for you, it will provide you and your corp free training and no sec loss ( pod them while you're at it ). The only reason they take on you is because they think you're weak and wil be afraid to fight them back. PS : use of EW is good, fit a few frig with tracking disruptors, dampeners and ECM on it. Good luck and have fun
GhostFox	Posted - 2006.06.17 07:06:00 - [33] As a fellow Scot, and since I'm not watching our fine country perform in the World Cup, I'd be more than happy to help with giving these guys a traditional kicking. Give me a shout in game and we can sort something out.
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.17 07:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Sochin 25 mill? Thats some low rent mercs... Also, why is this thread necessary? This sir is one of the big problems eve has. The attitude of people like you, and I am not talking about BoB in general here. The post was valid and appropiate for this forum and there was no reason to be mean. I for one would love to see more smaller corps post about their problems and come to the board, but they don't, because they get always talked down by people like you. I am sure it wont be a mistake to show a bit more class and maybe give advice or just shut up and do not make ANY comment instead of a negative one. Posting here about things like that should be encouraged and not discouraged. Currently we have a VERY small range of corps and alliances posting here and to be honest the majority of eve cares more about the things the OP posted about then BoB whatever. These things are way closer to the average eve player then most of the other stuff being posted here. I hererby ask all smaller corps to post their press releases and things about their corps here WAY more and i would like to ask the "cool guys" to show a bit more class and think more often before posting and especially think about the consequences. Sorry for making sense =( i will make a stupid post again next time. ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.17 07:50:00 - [35] On a sidenote i will make it my mission to defend people against everyone who posts a "who cares"-style post to a valid posting by a smaller entity here. This stuff is really unneccesary and really detrimental for the community ps: english is my 3rd language so don't even start to comment about spelling or grammar thanks! ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.17 08:00:00 - [36] Originally by: End Yourself Originally by: Liu Lijuan So as the section description syas, I am well within my right to post here. and judgin by the incredible amount of replys noone cares. thats the point your friendly neighbourhood bobbit tried to make. ;) Originally by: Liu Lijuan Also I would like to speak to the client to try a resolve this issue peacefully. cheaper than 25m?!? btw your "We are carebears and can not fight so there will be no fun for the merc corp" attitude sucks. get into some disposable ships, gang up and start fighting back. you might actually learn some real pvp skills. Do me a favour and keep your attitude in check noone really cares about what you care for either and this post is also already on page 2 so i guess you where wrong. Thanks now go read threads and reply to those you care about. ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2006.06.17 08:00:00 - [37] Bump Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.17 08:02:00 - [38] Originally by: GhostFox As a fellow Scot, and since I'm not watching our fine country perform in the World Cup, I'd be more than happy to help with giving these guys a traditional kicking. Give me a shout in game and we can sort something out. Just to make a positive comment to one of the posters. I like this reply for example. ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
Karunel	Posted - 2006.06.17 12:38:00 - [39] Quote: This particular forum is named "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" Considering most threads on this forum are just flame fests I fail to see how is this thread not valid? To the OP, as some guys have said, probably bored piwates, get tech 1 frigates and have fun pvping. You'll die but it's ok.
End Yourself	Posted - 2006.06.17 14:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Dekiri Do me a favour and keep your attitude in check noone really cares about what you care for either and this post is also already on page 2 so i guess you where wrong. Thanks now go read threads and reply to those you care about. Did i anywhere say that i dont care? If i wouldnt care would i reply? NO, i care because the expressed "We are carebears and can not fight....." attitude is just wrong. If you never fight back you will never learn how to fight. PvP is not about ingame skill(point)s, it is 90% about experience. And it will never be "cheaper" to aquire that experience than when you are still young. Cheap Frigates, cheap clones...... Far too many peeps think they need more skillpoints first..... then they have their head full of implants..... are too scared to lose them..... and NEVER pvp. good to hear you changed your mind liu, you'll have lots of fun and learn loads of new stuff every single day during the war for sure. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.

Kajou	Posted - 2006.06.17 20:07:00 - [41] Just an update on the situation !! Taken all the advice onboard, we are going to fight back, along with the other corps that they war dec'd Time to lay down the mining lasers & hit them with the rails
Vulcanlord	Posted - 2006.06.17 21:35:00 - [42] Glad to see this. never let bullies think they are better, fight back on your terms. Have fun! p.s. good to see little corp posting. TEGL - Ceo
Liu Lijuan	Posted - 2006.06.18 00:00:00 - [43] In a universe as big as Eve, one little voice can make changes. Yes all smaller corps should post here as it makes a difference. The situation that has risen now, may not have come true if it wasn't for my origonal post. Cruel Denim are not a Merc corp, rather a pirate corp who have went after 3 other smaller corps looking for cheap ganks I suppose. No we plan to fight back with some help. I urge all small corps who have problems to post here, all it takes is a small voice to make a difference, we will pull together to crush these pirates. Every voice is meaning full, every voice makes a ripple in the sea that grows out to others, combining all the ripples from all the small voices can and will make a difference. Make yourself be heard, and ignore the flamers/smackers in this forum. To wa rwe go, for fun will be had.... ------ BTW I'm a bit drunk....


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