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Rimme Ettakar
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Posted - 2006.06.16 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rimme Ettakar on 16/06/2006 08:07:52 First time it's happened to me today. Fortunately, I read the 0utbreak announcement of their war against ASCN due to a suspected ASCN alt gang spamming an 0utbreak freighter and ransoming it - so I knew better than to "accidentally" accept the invite.
To those unfamiliar with this scam:
1. Create a couple of alts. 2. Have these two alts create corps. 3. Have one corp declare war on the other corp. 4. Sit in a high traffic system and spam haulers and newbs with gang invites, hoping they'll accidentally hit enter or stupidly accept the gang invite (which clearly states that the corp is at war). 5. Ransom/Gank the poor soul with the other corp. 6. Profit.
For Empire Dwellers - set your interface to automatically reject invitations when travelling through high traffic systems in empire.
Note: Why they wanted to destroy my hauler filled with 10m3 of cargo in a Newbie system, I'll never know ...
I do know however that the GMs will reprimand you if you do it in newbie systems and target new players. So don't.
RE
Update: I've been told that this behaviour is petitionable, this doesn't mean that the GM's will do anything about it though, it seems to me to be within the game mechanics, rather than an out and out exploit.
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vile56
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:29:00 -
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lame,
yet sadly within game mechanics.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:35:00 -
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Why is it petitionable?
You are clearly told that you are joining a warring gang when you accept the gang invite. If you click it you accept the risk.
Signature Remove, not Eve related. -ReverendM ([email protected]) "But...it was Monty Python! You Dev's are souless!!" - Twilight Moon
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Norath84
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:10:00 -
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The thing is that gang invites are accepted if u hit enter so if u where typing at the time you migth accidentally join the gang.
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CleverPenguin
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:18:00 -
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Set you CSPA charge from 100 isk to few mils ;) _________________________________________________________
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Jacob Castillo
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:55:00 -
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Max CSPA charge is something like 100k. Wouldn't be so fun if someone set the charge at 100m and you accepted it
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:18:00 -
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It's petitionable cuz the gang invite pop in the middle of whatever you were doing, while it shouldn't, so if you were talking, and happen to be looking your keyboard, or whatever, and press enter, you accept the gang invite.
It shouldn't have priority like that over everything, possible bug report/petition. An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:00:00 -
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You cannot petition it, I know someone who did this and a GM warned him, so he petitioned the GM's warning, and they said he was allowed to do it. And I KNOW the person who did this little freighter ransom XD hahaha nub freighter pilot to accept a gang invite!
Mwahahaa, No mod will ever steal my sig. cuz i dont have one MWMAHAHAHAHHA!!
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:03:00 -
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there is 1 MAIN big GLARING reason as to why I think it's petitionable (and 2 ppl have mentioned it already).
the gang windows pops up and steals focus from typing. now a slow typer may be looking at his keyboard and BAMN presses enter with the gang window up. OR a fast typer is clicking away and yaps the enter button only to have the gang window flash up and down in a millisecond, accepting the gang (its happened to me more than once to friendly gangs).
SIMPLY what needs to be done is gang windows shouldnt steal focus from the screen. then I dont care how many people they catch, they're doing it because those fools were idiots and not because they were doing perfectly reasonable ingame things.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:21:00 -
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The main problem is that it defaults to "YES", so if you are typing and hit enter, you'll accept the gang invite instead of chat.
Simple solution: Make the box default to "NO."
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:40:00 -
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The other main problem is that the gang invite steals focus meaning that if you where typing and it enter it goes to the gang invite window and now where you where originally focused (ex chat window) Want to be a pirate? Join Sniggwaffe |
SkyCaptain
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:31:00 -
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my friend lost his Freighter because of a similar scam.
they ganged him when he wasnt't paying attention, then *BLAM* his Freighter gets popped. he loses almost a billion isk.
he quit EVE for a few months because his petition was rejected.
just remember though... despite the fact i see this as something to be improved upon in the game, -EVE- needs to be alot like "real life" to keep it the game it is...
keeps you on your toes!
otherwise -EVE- becomes just another W.O.W. type game for a bunch of 12year old carebears.
and THAT will destroy this uber-sweet game!
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Rimme Ettakar
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Posted - 2006.06.19 01:30:00 -
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I guess it isn't completely outside the game mechanics then, but due to a "feature" in the EVE Client which defaults to "Yes" on dangerous actions, and pressing <enter> at the wrong time will kill you.
I'm guessing this should be bug reported ... if GMs haven't highlighted to the devs that this breaks the intended game mechanics.
RE
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.19 01:37:00 -
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I fly with auto-reject on.
Let the idiot spammers come, I'll never notice them.
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 16/06/2006 10:41:55
Why is it petitionable?
You are clearly told that you are joining a warring gang when you accept the gang invite. If you click it you accept the risk.
Edit: Also.....why in gods name, if you are hauling an expensive load through empire, would you join a warring gang with some person you don't even know?
Theres no reason for it, you simply wouldn't. If anyone has died to this that I have to state that in my personal opinion I think that they are a complete idiot, would would do well to train "Reading Pop-up Warning Notices" to Lvl 5 before they ever undock again.
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WildAmishRose
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Posted - 2006.06.20 00:27:00 -
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As someone who has killed people by using this several times in low sec, I agree with the poster who said the box should default to 'no'
It wouldn't be a hard fix, and it would keep people from accidentally accepting a gang invite. If I get someone with this, it should be because they made an error in judgement, not because they accidentally hit enter at the wrong second.
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2006.06.20 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 16/06/2006 10:41:55
Why is it petitionable?
You are clearly told that you are joining a warring gang when you accept the gang invite. If you click it you accept the risk.
Edit: Also.....why in gods name, if you are hauling an expensive load through empire, would you join a warring gang with some person you don't even know?
Theres no reason for it, you simply wouldn't. If anyone has died to this that I have to state that in my personal opinion I think that they are a complete idiot, would would do well to train "Reading Pop-up Warning Notices" to Lvl 5 before they ever undock again.
Perhaps Spamming Invites is considerd Spamming? just a shot in the dark there. The SIg They said suddenly I couldnt have |
Diemex
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Posted - 2006.06.20 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Antaris Xenal You cannot petition it, I know someone ... blah blah blah
WRONG. Spamming is against the rules. Send an invite or two and you're GTG no issues with GM. Spam them in a system and you're spamming wich is a NO NO.
Also something griefers need to understand is that the rules have the standard 'subject to change without notification' clause. Every set of rules worth their wieght has this... so basically rules can be whatever the heck CCP wants them to be and you dont need to be informed about it.
If you dont think so, try 'jetcan baiting' in starter systems. You wont see it prohibited in the rules, but kill enough noobs and have them petition you and you'll find out right quick what discretionary powers the GMs have.
Also not listed in the rules is outrunning, evading, warping etc to escape concord when they are coming for you. If you manage to get away from them by sheer luck or circumstance you can be petitioned and get in some doo doo.
As well, suicide gangs in force of numbers will find themselves quickly warned to stop when they attempt to raid a high sec system killing off players in masses. Its happened before and the GMs do step in and stop it. Even though no 'rule' is broken, players are dying to concord like they are supposed to the GMs will still step in and enforce 'peace' when this happens.
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Ozmodan
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Posted - 2006.06.20 10:15:00 -
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If you are that bad a player and have to resort to shameless tricks like this you are one sorry individual and deserve any offal heaped on you.
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Zafriel
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:07:00 -
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spamming the same person with gang invites is petitionable
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:54:00 -
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But just once, with the same results aren't ? Come on it only take one time, to be typing while traveling in high sector (what else is there to do ?) and you get popped.
Make it default 'no' An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.21 20:31:00 -
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I would welcome the change of the default focus to "no" because it would take this lame excuse away from ppl who press all and any yes button they see on screen.
-- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Zebler
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Posted - 2006.06.21 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zebler on 21/06/2006 22:23:49 Another vote for the default to be no. It is just far too easy to accidentally accept the invite when you are going about your nomral eve business without ever actually realising that an invite has been sent. Enter is a common key to be pressed, and is most likely used when hauling and typing to people. Which is why this tactic is rather lame :(
....or MUCH better would be for it to not steal focus (non modal??) Its so damn annoying when you are trying to do something and someone just trys to gang you.
(auto reject is not really an option, as I do have friends I would like to team with )
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.21 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kahor But just once, with the same results aren't ? Come on it only take one time, to be typing while traveling in high sector (what else is there to do ?) and you get popped.
Make it default 'no'
*nods*
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Moraka Kens
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Posted - 2006.06.22 00:06:00 -
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I have used this gang invite tactic quite a bit. Lame or not it just makes too much isk to ignore for something which is not an exploit. I am what I am.
I whole heartedly agree it should default to 'no'. It's more fun when you go to a level 4 mission system and talk folk into ganging with you anyway - people rarely check all the text when they are expecting an invite.
One thing I do notice though is that when I first started using it quite some ago it was only the minority who complained they had just been typing and pressed enter. Now about 95% claim that
It's also a lot less profitable than it originally was too because more people know about it. Presumably a lot of people are just avoiding pressing the enter key in space. Otherwise knowing about it wouldn't have dropped its profitability if it was all people hitting enter by mistake.
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.22 12:01:00 -
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I've experienced this too... I was lagging my way through Ours late one night, and too tired to touch type. While I was typing, the gang invite popped up and when I hit enter to send my chat string, I found myself in gang.
Next thing, the Corp at war with the guy I was unintentionally ganged with just happened to have a Raven sat 10km away which promptly killed my ship and podded me.
This was 3 months ago... not a new tactic
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.22 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 22/06/2006 12:18:20 This only applies to Hauler alts realy?
Set CSPA service charge to something ludicrous. That works for gang invites doesnt it?
Hmm...I might actually go to Jita and spam local with "OMFG, just bought 120million units of Zyd, lol, plz dont shoot meh!!11!!one" with some stupidly high CSPA charge to see if anyone falls for it. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
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Moraka Kens
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Posted - 2006.06.22 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 22/06/2006 12:18:20 This only applies to Hauler alts realy?
Set CSPA service charge to something ludicrous. That works for gang invites doesnt it?
Hmm...I might actually go to Jita and spam local with "OMFG, just bought 120million units of Zyd, lol, plz dont shoot meh!!11!!one" with some stupidly high CSPA charge to see if anyone falls for it.
It applies to anyone going through hi sec really. Engaging bs in a solid 1v1 can be fun and sometimes when I've done it I've lost too . Haulers are the main targets people go for (for obvious reasons) but BS drop nice things too.
Maximum CSPA charge is 100,000 isk. Which at worst is only a mild annoyance, i doubt many bother about it.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2006.06.23 00:09:00 -
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Want to hear a funny story? I got banned for 3 months for gang inviting an alt passing me in his shuttle. Real funny, huh?
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Moraka Kens
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Posted - 2006.06.23 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vladmir Want to hear a funny story? I got banned for 3 months for gang inviting an alt passing me in his shuttle. Real funny, huh?
The GM's dont like you doing it to noob's I hear and quite rightly so. Anyone who kills noobs is just plain & simple griefing with no other aim. I often wondered if anyone would get caught out by an alt though, guess I know now.
Sorry about your ban. I always checked the 'show info' before inviting anyone and only went for targets 3 month old plus, any mistakes to this where refunded in full and then some. Popped/ransomed hundreds of ships of all classes without so much as a bad word from GM's. Though some nasty RL threats .
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