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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:34:00 -
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There are ways to stop them, crying in the forums isn't one of them, on the contrary it only encourages.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1882
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:18:00 -
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This witch hunt clearly needs some Rippard Teg.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1884
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:01:00 -
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So lets see if I understand what you're looking for here.
You want to ban, or at the very least ruin a play style of active players that create conflict and the type of content that makes the news.
The reason you want to do this is to protect AFK and clueless pilots that create zero content and will soon quit telling everyone how EVE is nothing but a boring spreadsheet simulator.
BRILLIANT! You should start a gaming company. Investors will be showering you with millions of dollars. NOT!.
When I can't move my protected and prepared Freighter fleets through highsec then I'll see a problem, until then HTFU and get a clue.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1894
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Posted - 2014.06.17 06:27:00 -
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Azure Rayl wrote: i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(
Yeah right, maybe when they start ganking in T3 cruisers.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1901
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:26:00 -
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or you can use dscan and 0 skill noobs to shoot the target and call in CONCORD just a bit early.
Surprise!
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1902
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:or you can use dscan and 0 skill noobs to shoot the target and call in CONCORD just a bit early.
Surprise! Spawning concord to protect you is actually a bannable offence. We got a large number of miners banned for doing this in the ice interdictions.
Just a wild guess here but only like 1 out of 100,000 people know this. Then you need to prove I'm not just a fail ganker tying to get in on the kill.
Also its interresting that you can move concord away, the reverse of what I brought up, for more gank time and not get banned.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1902
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:21:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Sentamon wrote:
Just a wild guess here but only like 1 out of 100,000 people know this. Then you need to prove I'm not just a fail ganker tying to get in on the kill.
Also its interresting that you can move concord away, the reverse of what I brought up, for more gank time and not get banned.
It's done this way due to CCP totally loving CODE and hating high-sec miners, just as it should be.
Or more like they have no idea how to protect clueless or AFK players and stuck everyone with these goofy concord mechanics.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:04:00 -
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Players reporting each other, paying GM to ban players for using a goofy game mechanic. Not exactly the best design there or even remotely fair justice. If I shoot someone near your intended target I get my punishment and lose the free Velator just like the guy moving the concord fleet. I do this enough I get shut out of highsec and can't continue just like the ganker .... no wait, the ganker can stay in highsec and keep doing his thing forever. Only difference is now you need a non criminal scout to supply bump and scout for you. Conveniently enough the scout stays protected even if in the pirate fleet and the only wayto deal with him is to get facerolled by concord. ;)
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1904
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:58:00 -
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I love peoples convoluted concepts of risk, reward, and punishment here.
The two of the most risk averse groups in the game, Carebears and Gankers have through years of suggestions to CCP put together this terrible system that only rewards their play style and completely ruins if for people that actually want to fight it out.
You have two real options with this sytem, tank up like crazy and scout, so you can continue to carebear it out and avoid any player vs player shooting, or you can gank the gankers non-criminal scouts, and/or exploit CONCORD mechanics, becoming a ganker yourself.
Highsec has no place for a player police, defending your industry fleet, or escelating fights simply because game mechanics won't allow it. It's all about avoidance or shooting fish in a barrel.
Add on top of that "GM discresion" for player bans, with players constantly crying to GM's, and it's no wonder the main goal here is to greif and get players banned instead of interesting and meaningful PvP.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1907
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:43:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:wtf is this actually about?
Just don't use disposable alts and noobships to spawn CONCORD then ...
Why not?
The Gankbears do, and if the GMs are foolish enough to ban freighter pilots because they spawned CONCORD early with a noob alt then you can get anyone banned by shooting them with an Ibis and having 20 people send "spoliter broke up my gank" tear petitions.
Simply BRILLANT! 
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1907
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Posted - 2014.06.20 00:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Maybe they shouldn't have complained about rigs being a ****** choice, considering the significant part of the tank is now in the armour or shield. It takes something like 80 T1 catalysts to kill a triple bulkhead freighter. 80 people. Is it asking too much for the freighter pilot to maybe make some friends in the popular single player themepark game EVE Online?
Or one multiboxer in 12 Battlecruisers or so, and one bump ship. The 80 people is a nice thought. :D
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1911
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:59:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Gankers on the other hand are punished for each and every crime they commit in highsec, unlike real life law enforcement Concord has a 100% conviction rate.
Blowing up your 15mil ISK ship is "punishment", oh the hilarity.
Just how poor are you?
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1914
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:50:00 -
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I'm a cleanin ' this post tooooo!
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 05:31:00 -
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Alts nullify any and all consequences of -10.
What inconvenience, you can't mine in highsec with your -10 anymore? 
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 05:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Is there any post that is too small for you to break into multiple quotes? Yes, one that only has a single point to respond to. Could you please answer the question? And to elaborate: why on earth should NPCs take over a job that players are meant to do? Sentamon wrote:Alts nullify any and all consequences of -10. How do alts keep your character from being blown up before it can do what it was trying to do?
To do ... what? ... mine, run missions? No they don't, but for their main function in highsec, to gank, then yes they do.
All the important parts of a gank are done with alts and with no consequences at all. (Equipping, Scouting, Scanning, Bumping). The last and final part is elementary.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
And?
We have tens of thousands of alts for supplying nullsec to avoid wardecs too.
... and we need to quit talking like there are meaningful consequences for ganking in highsec. There are none.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:To do ... what? Whatever it is they're trying to do with the character. Quote:No they don't, but for their main function in highsec, to gank, then yes they do.
All the important parts of a gank are done with alts and with no consequences at all. (Equipping, Scouting, Scanning, Bumping). The last and final part is elementary. GǪand how do alts keep the character from being blown up before he can do what he's trying to do?
Because getting your cheap suicide ship blown up actually means something.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
And?
We have tens of thousands of alts for supplying nullsec to avoid wardecs too.
... and we need to quit talking like there are meaningful consequences for ganking in highsec. There are none. Aside from the fact that at -10 you are open to attack from everyone, gate and station guns open fire on you and cannot stay in any place longer then 30 seconds or have the faction navy warp in and kill you.
Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work?
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:21:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
I'm sorry you don't see any consequences - but as one who has done a gank or two in his time, I can assure you the amount of time and ISK that would be required for me to return to the state before I ever ganked anything would be amazing. As in, tens of billions of ISK and many many many hours of effort.
Why would you want to do something stupid like that? You can use alts if you need something, like a shopping trip to Jita for example, and if you want to farm ISK then low/null and w-holes are far superior to highsec in every way.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1934
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:30:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:
of course, i use alt characters as well, for warpins, hauling and anonymous business. and i see absolutely no reason to criticise gankers over any other playstyle for using alternate characters, since almost everyone uses them
I'm not criticizing them, just pointing the fatal flaws in crimewatch and lack of consequences due to alts. As a matter of fact I encourage everyone to keep an alt around and when the ganker fleet undocks to kill they freighter they were bumping for several minutes (with zero consequece), shoot it and summon CONCORD early. D-Scan makes it really easy to see the fleet on the way.
Dumb mechanics deserve another. 
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1935
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Posted - 2014.07.05 06:53:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Stop expecting CONCORD to do your work for you.
Sure, right after CONCORD stops protecting your bumbers and ship scanners. And right after you quit moving CONCORD to give yourself more gank time. Deal?
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1937
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Posted - 2014.07.06 03:22:00 -
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You know what I don't get, I loot some scrap worth 300 isk from some wreck the guy probably doesn't even want, and everyone can blow me to bits for 15 mins, but I go around scanning ships and sizing them up for a loss that can go into the Billions of ISK and no suspect flag, not even for 10 seconds, and the scan is pretty much instant giving the mark no chance to resist. How convenient.
Who comes up with this stuff, everyone knows that in EVE the real fight happens before the shooting starts.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1938
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sentamon wrote:You know what I don't get, I loot some scrap worth 300 isk from some wreck the guy probably doesn't even want, and everyone can blow me to bits for 15 mins, but I go around scanning ships and sizing them up for a loss that can go into the Billions of ISK and no suspect flag, not even for 10 seconds, and the scan is pretty much instant giving the mark no chance to resist. How convenient.
Who comes up with this stuff, everyone knows that in EVE the real fight happens before the shooting starts. You stole something, the scanner did no harm to anyone. Thats the difference.
hah! right, scanning is far more suspicious and harmful then stealing some veldspar.
Of course you don't want suspect flags because an actual fight instead of a gank that pretty much is a guaranteed win scares poor little gankbears. 
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1940
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:50:00 -
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70 pages so far of carebears and gankbears proving they won't undock if it means risking anything of value.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1940
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:56:00 -
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Carebears cry, CONCORD protect me.
Gankbears cry, CONCORD protect my high security Alts.
Result is, PvP = 0
Anyone who's played early Lineage 2, and took part in the almost contrant epic battles knows that EVE needs some of the following.
1) Removal of CONCORD, or at the very least reduce the response time by about 1000%.
2) A better flagging system. (group members flag, flags for scanning, and so on.)
3) No safe areas in high security for criminals that destroyed too many ships of people that don't fight back.
Part of the reason the great battles of EVE happen when someone screws up is because everyone is risk averse and everything is a math equasion. It's like watching Math Majors pretend to do battle.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1940
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Posted - 2014.07.07 01:24:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Somewhere, very early in this thread, I detailed a valid mechanic & even showed a video of how to plow through any system with your slow freighter & prevent ganks, the very same mechanic that people have been using for years tio avoid freighter ganks. It is unsurprising to see that 50 pages onward people still haven't clued in.
Yeah yeah, people are discussing how to create PvP. Avoidance of gankers has always been easy for all but clueless noobs.
Go back to your blue donut.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1940
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Posted - 2014.07.07 01:49:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Your last several posts in this thread show otherwise, but please continue on. I wouldn't want any facts to burst your personal protective bubble of ignorance.
Stick to making nothing happen in nullsec, plenty of people working on that in highsec already.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1969
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:09:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Really, after reading snippets of threads like this one, I have to laugh when people wonder why EVE isn't more popular You are advocating for EVE to turn into this Immersion breaking farming in ESODo you not see that?
That's the carebear ideal MMO right there.
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