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afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 153	Posted - 2014.06.19 11:49:00 - [1] - Quote I have a hard time reconciling that delaying response is ok, yet accelerating response is not ok. I agree that accelerating is not right - but I also feel the delay is off base too. It really ought to be all or nothing. Since intention is impossible to accurately divine, it should simply be impossible to delay it and accelerating remains the bannable number it is now. As to the topic - my personal view of suicide ganking is that they're a bit like sharks - you hear a lot about them, they have an awful reputation in many areas...but the reality is more people are dying in more interesting/stupid ways than they can ever get close to competing with. But still to many, somehow, they are still the boogyman.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2014.06.19 13:14:00 - [2] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Sarah Flynt wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: So... its a legitimate tactic to bring a NPC corp alt in an ibis along with your freighter and a guy in a frigate in your corp, and every jump, kill the alt, summon concord and then jump, reship and repeat at each jump? That just doesnt sound right to me It is a legitimate tactic if you don't biomass that alt without getting his sec status up again. But it won't help you much as the one CONCORD spawn will only deal with one of the many gank ships. You'd have to bring more at once, depending on the size of the gank fleet. It's actually not a legitimate tactic. Pre-spawning CONCORD for your own defense is an actionable offense. Now that you've copped to it on the forums, I highly suggest that you don't keep doing it. Well there IS at least one (very old) dev post saying it's ok....so we should probably hope we get some clarity for everyone's sakes. CCP Atropos wrote: The reasoning is that you're deliberately using free ships (noob frigates) and alts to bypass the risk and penalties incurred by angering CONCORD. The incurred penalties are ignored since there's no financial loss, and no meaningful security loss, since you would delete the character afterwards. Of course, if you're willing to live with these penalties, and don't delete the offending character, then there's no problem, since it is working as intended (you lose your ship, become criminally flagged, and incur a security hit). Although no one will really like you since you're spawning CONCORD to cover your own money making schemes Cool How about getting some players to help you mine in safety? I haven't seen a dev post refuting this (please someone link it if there is one).
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:47:00 - [3] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dammit I missed out on "I biomassed my main" and "I killed all of my accounts" because I really really like Eve. Personally if I was Spectral Tiger I'd close the current account too and find a game more to my liking, fortunately for me I'm not him, and I have found a game that I like. Yeah, I forgot to point out how convenient this excuse was for him to get away with pretending to be much more experienced than he is. I at least have the good grace to be an aged alt To topic - No, it's not a problem. Never has been, never will be. The amount of "even with a tank I died" posts beggar belief. What is wrong with you people that you think no-one should be able to kill your ships? The only people immune to space violence in the game are the station traders.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 161	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:11:00 - [4] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing Well, in low you lose the minor protection of the gate guns at outlaw levels, iirc.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 161	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:13:00 - [5] - Quote Noragli wrote: So you're claiming that anyone who uses nullsec never gets ganked in hi-sec? Very false. Almost certainly false. However almost certainly they aren't the ones whining like mules about it, either. This thread
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:49:00 - [6] - Quote So for a while I used to just fly around blapping pods in high sec for lols. I NEVER got any money from it, straight up loss making...but boy it was funny. I might need to revisit that passtime. Point is, the assumption that ganking is motivated exclusive for profit is a massive error on your part. Here are some reminders 1) High sec is NOT perfect sec 2) CONCORD simply PUNISH. They do not protect 3) Some men really DO just want to see the world burn
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:31:00 - [7] - Quote Posting in a locked thread...and not a mod. This feels....illicit
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:43:00 - [8] - Quote /kicks pager. Why didnt that go off when Rod weighed in here. /dis_gunna_be_gud.jpg. I find myself wondering why this thread remains open - but it's so very easier for ISD to manage than a million bastard offspring needing repeatedly locked. I still don't believe this issue is a "problem", it's far from it and damnit it is good fun. It's not about cost. If everything was about cost at the expense of fun, people wouldnt hotdrop a half dozen T1 cruisers - but they do, because it's funny.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 298	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:27:00 - [9] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: Wow, do you guys just spend all day refreshing the forums? Take some advice from Sol. Take a step back for a moment. Take a look at your post count and then a mirrior and ask yourself if anyone can take you seriously. None seem capable to refute the fact that suicide ganking is more likely to victimize newer, casual players. Nor that suicide ganking carries no significant cost or penalties while reaping potentially incredible profits and devastating losses on victim all within the comfort of high sec. Try to provide an answer as to why people afraid to real pvp, preying upon noobs and casuals in high sec, should have such an easy time in EVE? Why should you get to have your cake and eat it too? It is about time these entitled, high-sec pvp-wannabes start playing the same game as the rest of us. Why is it so hard for you to conceive of an adult game where no one is being 'victimized'? And it's insulting when someone says "look in a mirrior" when they refuse to do so themselves. I'll bet you've never asked yourself "id this the kind of game and community i want to be a part of". I have, and the answer is "yes, we're almost all adults here". You've convinced yourself that some kind of injustice is going on when injustice isn't even possible in a video game about conflict. If you don't like what someone does to you in a video game, just shut it off and do something else. Perhaps it is simply a microcosm of the upcoming generations overly self-entitled attitudes the hand wringing "won't somebody thinkg of x/y/z" politicians have carved out for us. A prize for every child and all that claptrap.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:00:00 - [10] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I can personally +1 this until someone explains to me with good reason instead of flippant, unsubstantiated dismissal, why it would be bad. This is worth discussion, actual discussion. Disconnects would suck. Setting that aside, it also means someone paying attention is literally 100% untouchable, unless they can be vollied.

afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:10:00 - [11] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: afkalt wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: I can personally +1 this until someone explains to me with good reason instead of flippant, unsubstantiated dismissal, why it would be bad. This is worth discussion, actual discussion. Disconnects would suck. Setting that aside, it also means someone paying attention is literally 100% untouchable, unless they can be vollied. Disconnects already suck. And as it is right now, most ganks I witness are alpha affairs. The rare solo gank I see or do myself is on an afk miner anyway. So no, I disagree that even someone paying attention would be 100% untouchable. I do see, however, after some thought, how this mechanic could be attributed to the game being what defends you, rather than you putting in the effort to defend yourself. I admit I was mostly thinking of the freighter and mission bear ganks (as the former is where the tears come from the most and take a bit of time to pop and the latter can tank a good bit). T1 haulers carrying stupid isk I kinda discount as roadkill
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:21:00 - [12] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Tippia wrote: Xuixien wrote: If CONCORD response times were the same, would that alleviate some of this? Then what would be the point? More aggression in HiSec, deterrent to AFKness, a sense of safety removed, no more automatic I-WIN. Another concerns is popups lock the overview and module access. Staggered illegal attacks would actually make it even harder to properly defend oneself. I guess that should be easy to change, but I'm with Tippia - seems a tad pointless to spend time on.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:29:00 - [13] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: afkalt wrote: Xuixien wrote: Tippia wrote: Xuixien wrote: If CONCORD response times were the same, would that alleviate some of this? Then what would be the point? More aggression in HiSec, deterrent to AFKness, a sense of safety removed, no more automatic I-WIN. Another concerns is popups lock the overview and module access. Staggered illegal attacks would actually make it even harder to properly defend oneself. I guess that should be easy to change, but I'm with Tippia - seems a tad pointless to spend time on. No they don't, there are plenty of popups that don't do this. Convos don't do this anymore, either. In fact, the only thing I can think of that does this is the box to set standings when you're adding a contact. Downtime and notifications like the recent broadcast one about overview settings were what popped to mind. However, you're correct :) I see no reason the mechanic couldn't work like that. Can still see it being a PITA if it is a popup/per shooter - can you clear them quickly enough?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:37:00 - [14] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: afkalt wrote: Downtime and notifications like the recent broadcast one about overview settings were what popped to mind. However, you're correct :) I see no reason the mechanic couldn't work like that. Can still see it being a PITA if it is a popup/per shooter - can you clear them quickly enough? Additionally, those particular popups will pop up for everyone, so the gankers would have to clear them too. The ones I had in mind? Yeah, but had the "HALP BUTTONGäó" taken the same style (which we've established it doesnt have to) then only the victim would be mashing it.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:02:00 - [15] - Quote Mizhir wrote: afkalt wrote: Page 188....wins pretty much the internet. Dude your face! Ach it's been like that for over 3 years. I actually created him with the intention of being a cloaky alt given the tears going on at the time (that are, irritatingly/amusingly, still going on) and his face has kind of stuck on me
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 311	Posted - 2014.09.03 13:34:00 - [16] - Quote Well consider this. I live in null. I support that character by means of a high sec alt. That doesn't seem wholly right and proper now, does it?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 313	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:19:00 - [17] - Quote Tippia wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Destroyed is the not the same as Dropped. If that much is destroyed, you can bet that a fair portion is dropped as well. You keep repeating the lie of non-profit; you keep failing to prove it, further demonstrating the fact that you have to lie to even appear as if you had an argument (which turns out to be irrelevant anyway). Not only that, there's a strange viewpoint that things need to be done for a profit. Some of the best fights I've had were epic whelps in swarms of T1 frigs. Profit? No. Fun? HELL YES. Maybe I'm just one of those oddballs who plays for fun and not ill conceived ideas that space-money somehow matters.