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xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 16:53:00 - [1] - Quote I would have to agree with the OP and players of similar views. I have ganked freighters, blingtastic mission runners in highsec even with my negative sec status in a cheap ship in a 15+ man fleet. I do it because it's allowed, I do it not to profit, but just to blow something up because I'm bored, the bitter vet in me has nothing else to do but that because I've already done it all. Ruining someone else game also sometimes gives me a chuckle but not all the time. It's griefing no matter which way you split it and we all do it or have done it because CCP allows us to. With that said I do think CCP needs to revisit sec status permission/access to empire systems. They should make it harder but fair for ganking comparable to the risk a freighter pilot has when gankers are around. Right now gankers are the only ones who prosper in this playstyle. A few things I'd like to see implemented: -5.0 to -10 can travel still thru all systems be it in a pod or ship but may only dock with pods. This will allow us to still travel and dock up to do market stuff. Once in station we cannot use the stations ship boarding process.. depending on high sec level of system to the players sec status. If we wanted to use a ship in systemm we can undock and board a ship while in space just not in the station where we can just sit and wait, wait and wait for ganks. This would make ganking active and harder instead of just having neut alts at gate or scouting route while we have a fleet of negative sec pilots docked watching a movie stream waiting to undock and gank. You could make new alts specifically for ganking but negative status will rise again and as per CCP you aren't allowed to just delete characters after the neg status is too high. Instead it would force us to have to actively travel from low sec to whatever empire system together to gank something rather than having the instant win routine of staying docked in highsec until there is something to gank. This allows the pilot being bumped time to get away or have back up traveling to try and save him. Or have pods docked up or in a safe spot waiting to warp to a location where ships may be waiting to board to perform the gank. This gives lowsec/pirates risk involved with ganking. The reason behind all of this.. there is no way you can punish us or get back at us. Wow concord kills us in a 15mil destroyer. Oh my sec status just went down, oh wait I'm already -10. Wardec a thousand man null alliance.. goodluck. Wardec an alt corp only logged in for ganking.. gl. There are truly no real risk for us unlike our targets who really have no protection other than being a space pinata. Now the only reason I don't see CCP doing anything about this is because this type of game play allows CCP to make money from people buying plex to replace ganked ships or forcing these players to burnisk/use plex they have stored. Over the years I've also seen my fair share of many players unsubbing and quit the game because of this playstyle. That is fact of the matter, something needs to be looked at and maybe my options are not the right ones. BUT anyone who doesn't feel the same about the situation are just bored, wants to see the world burn and/or ruin other peoples game.. all the time. just my .02 Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:03:00 - [2] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: xXFreshnessXx wrote: BUT anyone who doesn't feel the same about the situation are just bored, wants to see the world burn and/or ruin other peoples game.. all the time. You dont think that showing people why its a bad idea to AFK Autopilot is even remotely a possibility? After ransoming freighter pilots for safe passage and they deny offer we kill them. Whether active or AFK doesn't matter, they die regardless. Nobody said it would stop us from ganking AFK pilots, we can still travel or board ship in space to gank AFK pilot if truuuly AFK we'll catch em. Right or am I right? Let's be real. Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:13:00 - [3] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: xXFreshnessXx wrote: A few things I'd like to see implemented: -5.0 to -10 can travel still thru all systems be it in a pod or ship but may only dock with pods. This will allow us to still travel and dock up to do market stuff. Once in station we cannot use the stations ship boarding process.. depending on high sec level of system to the players sec status. If we wanted to use a ship in systemm we can undock and board a ship while in space just not in the station where we can just sit and wait, wait and wait for ganks. It took me all of about 3 seconds to make all of your suggestion useless, and I can do it in 3 words. Neutral Orca Alt. Not useless, just makes the logistics of ganking less easy. Find the alt orca, get the ships and fits, put in ship go to safe kick out, have pods waiting. etc etc. Fine but it adds complexity and time to the operation that may help our target get away(not rreally). Maybe there should be a rule like bumping freighters and ransoming.. that you can't pop empty freighters or jf with anything less than 50 mil of value in cargo requiring scans of all freighter/jfs before shooting? Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:15:00 - [4] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: xXFreshnessXx wrote: THEN maybe CCP should get rid of autopiloting because that's what it's used for AFKing big ass ships. Sure Want them to wipe your butt for you too? Nah you seemed to be butthurt about AFK piloting players my friend, maybe they need to wipe yours. Let's stick to the true problem here. Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:34:00 - [5] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: xXFreshnessXx wrote: Not useless, just makes the logistics of ganking less easy. Find the alt orca, get the ships and fits, put in ship go to safe kick out, have pods waiting. etc etc. Fine but it adds complexity and time to the operation that may help our target get away(not rreally). Maybe there should be a rule like bumping freighters and ransoming.. that you can't pop empty freighters or jf with anything less than 50 mil of value in cargo requiring scans of all freighter/jfs before shooting? Orca Alt puts ships in cargo, warps to a pre arranged safe, pods warp to safe, board ships, gank. It's no more complicated than boarding the ships at a station, most gankers undock and instawarp to a pre BM'd safe to avoid any anti gankers that may be sitting on the undock anyway. The only plus side of your idea is that some anti gankers may decide to countergank the Orca, which will get them Concordokken. It's got that going for it. Exactly it's got risk involved for both parties. You got it, currently little to none.. Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: The only plus side of your idea is that some anti gankers may decide to countergank the Orca, which will get them Concordokken. It's got that going for it. The downside being that you've run into Malcanis' Law by crippling the ability of new players to engage in any kind of piracy on their own. Especially if the barrier for entry becomes "Orca or gtfo", all you have done is strip away player freedom for no practical change. Nevermind that CCP needs to buff ganking, not the other way around. When does a solo player or 4 man destroyer gang gank freighters in High Sec? Please show me. Kaarous that makes no sense.. Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS
xXFreshnessXx Origin. Black Legion. 9	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote Listen I don't have a dog in this fight for the side I'm fighting for.. never have. I haven't even logged in to drop low/null or gank something in highsec in 3 weeks, I'm just saying it should be more balanced and fair as far as risk/reward involved. So back to null.. I mean steam games I go until the next capital fight. o7 LOL Follow me on Twitter @FR3SH0PShttps://twitter.com/FR3SH0PS

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