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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:15:00 -
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Been wondering about all fleet/navy bs's and it goes without saying that fleet tempest has the lowest upgrades of them all. CNR gets additional launcher cause raven has 6 of those... amarr already got 8 guns and mega 7 guns ... why not give additional turret hardpoint for the tempest and boost its cap a lil ? :D ebil
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:23:00 -
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you have to be joking.
The Fleet 'pest is a beast of war. A tempest should be able to school a raven alone. (given raven is near tempest's optimal) A fleet tempest should be more than a match for a CNR. I would say the only ship that can outgun the Fleet temp is the Machariel.
but thats just my opinion. boost her more? why the hell not 
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:27:00 -
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Needs more cpu imo. I'm running low on cpu when fitting a regular tempest, and fleet temp has 1 mid more ;s ..
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:56:00 -
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yes that is true. CPU makes her a tough fit at times. need delicate balance of named vs tech II
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Kilosher Silgen
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:13:00 -
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 Originally by: HankMurphy
The Fleet 'pest is a beast of war. A tempest should be able to school a raven alone. (given raven is near tempest's optimal) A fleet tempest should be more than a match for a CNR. I would say the only ship that can outgun the Fleet temp is the Machariel.
And the Machariel is the reason why you can pick up the Fleet Tempest for little as 550mil these days. People rather have the better ship.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:16:00 -
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Yes would have to agree Fleet tempest need more CPU :).
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 16/06/2006 13:57:20
All fleet ships follow a certain template.
Same fittings as their normal version
+1 (something)
+shields
+armour
slight changes to agility/mass/sensor strength/etc
Hence, giving the fleetpest more CPU or cap would be breaking the mould.
The problem is, as the ship least able to fit itself to begin with, an extra slot is even harder to make use of - also, with Minnie being the least tankworthy race, we gain the least from the hitpoint bonuses.
The are problems that we face every day though, so it's no different with the fleetpest. Personally, I find the extra mid useful as I can mount a full 3 tracking mods, full 3 damage mods, and still find room for damps. The extra HP I have lets me drop the DCU I usually carry for an extra low to fit it all. For comparison, here's my fleet setups:
Standard Tempest
6x 1400mm II, 2x random stuff
3x Sensor Booster II, 2x Tracking Comp II
3x Gyro II, 1x Tracking Enhancer II, 1x DCU II, 1x RCU I
Fleet Tempest
6x 1400mm II, 2x random stuff
3x Sensor Booster II, 1x Tracking Comp II, 2x Sensor Damp II
3x Gyro II, 2x Tracking Enhancer II, 1x RCU I
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:05:00 -
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Nice to see its worth its 600 mill.... NOT. 
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
Been wondering about all fleet/navy bs's and it goes without saying that fleet tempest has the lowest upgrades of them all. CNR gets additional launcher cause raven has 6 of those... amarr already got 8 guns and mega 7 guns ... why not give additional turret hardpoint for the tempest and boost its cap a lil ? :D ebil
Tempest is not the lowest upgrades, most of them are very similar. They all get a 50% hp increase and en extra slot. They also all get an increase in mass and volume. Raven is the exception as it gets another launcher hardpoint instead of an extra slot. They all seem pretty ballanced to me.
About the extra turret on the fleet tempest, No, it will then out dps the navy megathron at close range and use no cap to do it. This would not be fair to the players who have spent a small fortune on a ship that is supose to be the king of pointblank warefare(Vindicator asside).
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
About the extra turret on the fleet tempest, No, it will then out dps the navy megathron at close range and use no cap to do it. This would not be fair to the players who have spent a small fortune on a ship that is supose to be the king of pointblank warefare
Ive quoted this, since I think it's a very good example of just how much the general eve population understands game balance.
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Ive quoted this, since I think it's a very good example of just how much the general eve population understands game balance.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not...
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:53:00 -
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Did you not notice the EXTRA midslot the Fleet Tempest gets?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
you have to be joking.
The Fleet 'pest is a beast of war. A tempest should be able to school a raven alone. (given raven is near tempest's optimal) A fleet tempest should be more than a match for a CNR. I would say the only ship that can outgun the Fleet temp is the Machariel.
but thats just my opinion. boost her more? why the hell not
You have no idea what you are talking about... Sorry for being blunt. Navy raven can fit 7 launchers... That makes for a huge boost in dps.
The extra midslot on the fleet tempest is nice in theory, but Tempests already are very tight on cpu for typical setups... One more midslot is not very useful when you don't have the cpu to fit much in it. Nice shield tanking modules or ew modules take more CPU that you could get out of implants, too, so you'd be forced to put in a corpoc and lose a low slot... Definitely, the fleet tempest could use some reworking... It might work fine for NPC'ing... but I'd never use one in pvp even if I could afford it.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Edited by: Testy Mctest on 16/06/2006 13:57:20
All fleet ships follow a certain template.
Same fittings as their normal version
+1 (something)
+shields
+armour
slight changes to agility/mass/sensor strength/etc
Hence, giving the fleetpest more CPU or cap would be breaking the mould.
By "fleet" do you mean just the republic fleet ships? Or empire faction ships in general?
Either way:
Stabber fleet issue (which is more like a cross between a rupture and a stabber) has more cpu than either the rupture or stabber, though less grid than a rutpure.
Raven Navy Issue has 20 more CPU than standard Raven.
Caracal Navy Issue has two extra low slots and an extra highslot, along with 220 more grid compared to regular Caracal o_O.
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:23:00 -
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Therefore there isnt a rule of creating faction bs's. Thats why i made this topick :)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
Therefore there isnt a rule of creating faction bs's. Thats why i made this topick :)
Actually there is... caldari 4tw, rest 4tl.
Why doesn't vindicator gets more cpu and navy thron more pg? Or maybe fleet pest more cpu (machariel gets 40% speed boost... )
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kilosher Silgen
Originally by: HankMurphy
The Fleet 'pest is a beast of war. A tempest should be able to school a raven alone. (given raven is near tempest's optimal) A fleet tempest should be more than a match for a CNR. I would say the only ship that can outgun the Fleet temp is the Machariel.
And the Machariel is the reason why you can pick up the Fleet Tempest for little as 550mil these days. People rather have the better ship.
No, the reason is because the BPCs are currently farmable in low-sec COSMOS missions.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Dragy
Therefore there isnt a rule of creating faction bs's. Thats why i made this topick :)
Actually there is... caldari 4tw, rest 4tl.
Why doesn't vindicator gets more cpu and navy thron more pg? Or maybe fleet pest more cpu (machariel gets 40% speed boost... )
mach could really do with +15-20 cpu :/
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Harum Skarum
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kilosher Silgen
And the Machariel is the reason why you can pick up the Fleet Tempest for little as 550mil these days. People rather have the better ship.
The Fleet Tempest dropped to 500-600 mil because of certain exploitable COSMOS missions.
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HankMurphy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 16/06/2006 21:21:40
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: HankMurphy
you have to be joking.
The Fleet 'pest is a beast of war. A tempest should be able to school a raven alone. (given raven is near tempest's optimal) A fleet tempest should be more than a match for a CNR. I would say the only ship that can outgun the Fleet temp is the Machariel.
but thats just my opinion. boost her more? why the hell not
You have no idea what you are talking about... Sorry for being blunt. Navy raven can fit 7 launchers... That makes for a huge boost in dps.
The extra midslot on the fleet tempest is nice in theory, but Tempests already are very tight on cpu for typical setups... One more midslot is not very useful when you don't have the cpu to fit much in it. Nice shield tanking modules or ew modules take more CPU that you could get out of implants, too, so you'd be forced to put in a corpoc and lose a low slot... Definitely, the fleet tempest could use some reworking... It might work fine for NPC'ing... but I'd never use one in pvp even if I could afford it.
the DPS is formidable, but its by no means 2 battleships rolled into one or anything like that.
Yes, you will need a CPU. (took a look at my setup to confirm)
'Win' Setup will look nothing like testy's (though i like his)
now you have nice killboard stats, but you have to do better than that to impress OR convince me... and suggesting i have no idea what i'm talking about? thats just rude, not blunt.
I put alot more faith in a versitile faction ship like the fleet temp/ mach/ vindi, as opposed to a more than predictable missile spammer. (no matter how expensive).
midslot nice in theory? its really on the ship, check it out. not only that, you can put any mod in there your heart desires (just make sure you fit the 650's not 800's or you will never have the cpu to make a good setup).
but i never expect a raven lover to even understand a tempest, more or less hold a candle to it in battle.
and on another note. these ships are all about owning the pvp field imho. just takes the balls to undock (and it takes alot i admit) and the fact YOU would never use one in pvp... well i guess thats on you
now if we are done w/ personal attacks. back to good setup. remember, she may be tight on CPU but 10x easier to fit than a gila. dont want to Totally give you my setup, but like i said, you want 650's, NEED cap injector, dont forget damage mods and dont waste your mids on what your drone bay can take care of
edit to add: ok one more hint.... is that dinner burning or do i smell an Xlrg CL5?
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