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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:42:00 -
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What the heck happened, or more accurately didn't happen today ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
Why did none of the NPC trade goods prices reset after DT Is this a bug, change in policy or mistake and regardless where is the related announcement/comment ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/06/2006 18:07:12
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[18:58] moocifer: then why was there no NPC market reset after DT today ?? [19:01] Mephysto: why should the market reset after a reboot? Sounds more than a little exploitable that [19:01] moocifer: because it always has [19:01] Mephysto: dont tell me you've been using an exploit, and now your whining cos you lost money.... [19:01] moocifer: why are you suddenly changing the game without teling anybody ?? [19:01] moocifer: yes nice try mephysto [19:01] moocifer: covering up another CCP mistake [19:01] Mephysto: we hotfixed the market today [19:01] Mephysto: we often release hotfixes unannounced [19:02] moocifer: that's nice
Caring as always ..
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav So... you are saying that NPC trade market is finally available to players that aren't playing during around DT time?
Sounds to me like great news ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Its always been available to all and its not the fix that's the issue its the lack of forewarning and consideration to the playerbase.
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/06/2006 21:27:58
Haven't you heard whining leads to reimbursement - just ask Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/06/2006 22:44:36
* Point to note: I've never seen the NPC Market DT refresh issue listed as a bug or known issue. *
Anyways ..
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/06/2006 23:22:44
You can undercut at anytime - at least with the rigid DT refresh system you knew when it was most likely to happen and also when, if possible, to be online to prevent it.
Now of course, well at least until the next unexpected/unannounced change, you have to be a watchful trader 23/7 which is fine by me btw
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/06/2006 23:54:13
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
GOOD.
I hope they hotfix complex spawns and don't tell anyone.
Being in a certain timezone shouldn't give you an edge over the rest of the eve-playing world.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
It didn't and still doesn't but for a moment lets pretend that your timezone makes a difference - which one has this alleged all conquering advantage
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.06.17 16:01:00 -
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Quote: A number of people have used this feature to make alot of isk risk free and with little effort.
Quote: However, don't say it isn't easy. Having a freighter run your route afk at leisure once a day is not hard. And ti's all you need really, aside from making sure that the stuff you hauled yesterday gets to fill todays order reset.
Ignorance is bliss heh ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
But I am surprised at the level of happiness on display from Fester Addams and Rod Blaine .. ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.17 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: MOOstradamus
Ignorance is bliss heh ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
Yup it is. Few people realize that you could earn over 1 billion a day without spending more than a few minutes at the computer using the Long-Limb Roes route due to this exploit.
You're lucky that you and the other exploiters didn't get banned.
Harassment petition submitted.
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 17/06/2006 19:23:31
Originally by: Pardack
You're mixing problems. Yes, complex resetting at DT, farmable missions and macro miners are a problem. It's has nothing to do with the current issue. Free ISK is a bad thing for the economy. Let's just hope that CCP plugs the other holes in gaining risk-free isk.
The whole "resetting" stuff at DT is plagued with problems. Especially if you're not on near DT, which is when you can farm complexes and in the past, bugged NPC market items.
Many of us are not on during DT and that gives an unfair advantage to those who are, simply because of their timezone.
NPC orders were stupid when anyone with a Frieghter could make billions without problems. Now it's less so. Just because you've trained X skill, doesn't and shouldn't mean insta-ISK.
1: There wasn't any 'free' ISK. 2: A person's Timezone has little baring on whether or not they can be online just after DT. 3: Complexes resetting and NPC Trade Goods orders resetting after a reboot are the same problem if it has been decided that this really is a problem.
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Posted - 2006.06.17 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack Edited by: Pardack on 17/06/2006 20:32:22
Originally by: SonOfAGhost Not mixing problems at all, I'm pointing out that there are other much bigger problems as far as isk without risk, including one that is supposed to earn a ban but doesn't. At least the (majority) of traders put in a significant amout of time and effort. It's no different than grinding missions for isk. Interaction with NPCs with little real risk for isk in exchange for the time and effort invested.
There ARE "bigger" problems, that does NOT mean it's right or planned to be "fixed". Sure, traders put in time training, but we ALL have. What IS different is the non-trader still have to earn their ISK, instead of camping in a station waiting to reap free ISK en masse. It is different than grinding missions for ISK, there's no risk.
No idea where you get this misconception about camping stations, free ISK and zero risk .. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.17 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack Stop trying to justify the fact that it was a LARGE relatively risk-free endeavour to get ISK.
I'm not, never said I wasn't infavour of the return to incremental markets - however you should stop spreading at best uninformed exaggerations and at worst plain lies.
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Posted - 2006.06.17 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: MOOstradamus
Originally by: Pardack Stop trying to justify the fact that it was a LARGE relatively risk-free endeavour to get ISK.
I'm not, never said I wasn't infavour of the return to incremental markets - however you should stop spreading at best uninformed exaggerations and at worst plain lies.
Please. Before the fix, I could easily setup market orders for NPC goods, then log off and when I login, have insane profits due to the markets being 'reset'. The only exaggeration is that you think it wasn't happening or an exploit. Ignorance and free-isk-generating-for-no-risk FTL.
Get a grip. The old system WAS NOT intended (that's why they fixed it) to be an "insta I win button" and those who profited from it were lazy and didn't want to actually earn the ISK.
Go out and actually EARN ISK like everyone else.
or is that too much *gasp* WORK. Get over it and earn ISK like everyone else does, by not exploiting game mechanics.
Why are you quoting yourself and then arguing the point against me ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
And from what I can gather it is you did - are you trying to make out there was no hauling of goods involved, no time & effort spent, no risky low-security journeys undertaken ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.17 21:35:00 -
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Quote: I'm not implying that there was no hauling involved. Far from that. CCP fixed a bug that has ALREADY been acknowledged as a bug.
Yes, there was some hauling involved, however the time and effort put into such endeavours was WAY out of the bounds of what every other character could have achieved with the same effort and ISK.
It was still exploting a system that was broke, That's why they fixed it.
Moaning about it doesn't change the facts. You'll just have to earn the ISK like the rest of us.
What is wrong with you ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.17 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack Nothing, in fact I'd say there's something wrong with your thinking. Yes, let us all have free billions of ISK with little effort. All I hear is "whaa, I can't get insta ISK". Deal with it like the rest of us.
And where exactly are you reading any of this ![Question](/images/icon_question.gif)
I'm really starting to think you need medical help .. ![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
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Posted - 2006.06.22 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 22/06/2006 09:01:59
Originally by: MOOstradamus .. but for a moment lets pretend that your timezone makes a difference - which one has this alleged all conquering advantage
Originally by: Klasanov The people who could be playing before downtime and undercut their competitor who was OFFLINE before the market reset.
That isn't a Timezone Klasanov, try again
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