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Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:37:00 -
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The DPS in a drone only ship i own has dropped by about 25% since the last time i was in it.
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Paranoid Loyd
696
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:38:00 -
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Did you look at the patch notes? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
2073
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:40:00 -
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I don't think he looked at the patch notes. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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Rin Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
98
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:43:00 -
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He didn't look at the patch notes?!?!  "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |

De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2206
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:43:00 -
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I'm not sure you noticed, but there was a patch. You may want to look at the notes. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |

Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:47:00 -
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..i asked in the post if it was in some patch notes. From this you can of course (being clever little soldiers) deduce i have read some patch notes during my time in EvE, but also consider that i may have missed some. It's been a long time since i flew the ship so it's quite a span of patches to take into consideration. I generally fly amarr ships with no drones, so again as i'm sure you already realise (clever) i'm unlikely to have noticed any in game drone changes for quite a time also.
So, while i appreciate all the posts re-stating what i already said in the first post i'd appreciate if someone clever could point me in the direction of the actual patch the change happened in. This way i can quickly locate and peruse the ever so important notage.
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stoicfaux
4990
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:48:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
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Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:49:00 -
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Here is the dev post about the last drone changes. There were many. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/
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Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:51:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
Thanks man, appreciate it.
The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |

Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:52:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
From the patch notes:
Quote: balanced to fall on a continuous spectrum of damage and speed. which covers a lot of ground. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5005
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:52:00 -
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They keep saying drone DPS dropped, but my drones are hitting just as hard as they always have. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Noir. Mercenary Group
686
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:53:00 -
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So you didn't look at the patch notes. That explains it. You should have looked at the patch notes. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |

stoicfaux
4990
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:56:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:stoicfaux wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
Thanks man, appreciate it. The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before. Sentry drone DPS was nerfed a tad. IIRC, sentry drones now require the drone specialization (e.g. Amarr Drone Spec) to do additional damage. I can't be bothered to re-read the patch notes though.
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Noir. Mercenary Group
686
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:05:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: I can't be bothered to re-read the patch notes though.
I dunno man, not reading the patch notes caused this whole mess. You should go and read the patch notes.
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Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:06:00 -
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Christopher AET wrote:So you didn't look at the patch notes. That explains it. You should have looked at the patch notes.
You're like the kid sat there yelling Mom! Mom! Mom" while the adults are trying to speak. Go seek attention elsewhere until bed time or there's going to be no sweeties on the way home from school for anyone tomorrow.
Anyway, i think it's going to come down the the specific drones used. The patch notes say dps goes down due to the bonus from the Drone Interfacing skill, but the loss will be covered by increasing the base damage of most drones.
I can only imagine i'm using drones (not sentry) that have not recieved the dps increase, and so i get much lower dps cus i'v lost half my DI bonus..
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Noir. Mercenary Group
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:08:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Christopher AET wrote:So you didn't look at the patch notes. That explains it. You should have looked at the patch notes. You're like the kid sat there yelling Mom! Mom! Mom" while the adults are trying to speak. Go seek attention elsewhere until bed time or there's going to be no sweeties on the way home from school for anyone tomorrow.
I would go elsewhere but I can't as I am too busy sat here reading up on the patch notes.
Did you read the patch notes?
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Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:15:00 -
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If you payed a bit more attention in school and spent less showing off in front of your friends you'd have read them as quick as me. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |

Rannasha Kore
United Individuals Clearly Unconventional Meatshield
7
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:16:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Christopher AET wrote:So you didn't look at the patch notes. That explains it. You should have looked at the patch notes. You're like the kid sat there yelling Mom! Mom! Mom" while the adults are trying to speak. Go seek attention elsewhere until bed time or there's going to be no sweeties on the way home from school for anyone tomorrow.
Anyway, i think it's going to come down the the specific drones used. The patch notes say dps goes down due to the bonus from the Drone Interfacing skill, but the loss will be covered by increasing the base damage of most drones. I can only imagine i'm using drones (not sentry) that have not recieved the dps increase, and so i get much lower dps cus i'v lost half my DI bonus..
Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage. |

Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3802
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:17:00 -
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*Goes to read the patch notes.* *Sees how long the patch notes are.* "Because Falcon" "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14435
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:40:00 -
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Im going home early. I just banged my head on my desk so hard I split my forehead open.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Jen Takhesis
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I just banged my head on my desk so hard I split my forehead open.
Does that count as a success? Or was that an unsuccessful head banging? |

Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
689
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:45:00 -
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Rannasha Kore wrote:Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage.
Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5.
Well i guess it was a tad overpowered..
It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy
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stoicfaux
4990
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:13:00 -
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Rannasha Kore wrote:
Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage.
Geckos and sentry drones. For example, pre-kronos, five Garde IIs on a Dominix with 4xDDAIIs would do 800 DPS. Now they do only 748 DPS.
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stoicfaux
4991
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:23:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote: It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D
To be fair, you were so deliberately vague with "DPS in a drone only ship i own has dropped by about 25% since the last time i was in it" that you might as well have painted a target on the thread.
If you had specified the ship and drone layout, it would have been simple to help you. By not providing even basic context/information, those people who are inclined to provide help couldn't do so without a significant amount of guessing (i.e. provide a lot of their time.) Why should anyone spend a lot of time helping someone if that someone can't be bothered to take a little time/effort to provide basic context?
And it sure as heck didn't help that you know what the "correct answer" was (i.e. read the patch notes.) If you had attempted to read the notes and then made the claim that you didn't understand them and needed clarification, then folks would have been more likely to be helpful instead of sarcastic.
tl;dr - OP was rude. OP doesn't have the moral high ground. OP should apologize. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Rin Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
103
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:30:00 -
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Yay I feel justified! \o/
No hard feelings OP just poking fun! "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6770
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:34:00 -
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hmm, maybe some people don't speak English. Go Go Google Translate:
-+Has le+¡do las notas del parche? |

Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Noir. Mercenary Group
694
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:46:00 -
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Wnaethoch chi ddarllen y nodiadau patch? I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1120
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:51:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Rannasha Kore wrote:Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage. Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5. Well i guess it was a tad overpowered.. It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D
You gave **** all for details in your OP and you expect people to come up directly with the right answer? |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1526
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:57:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote: It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm.
nothing really strange according to "Eve Online adult player base" 
Hint: kids always think that it is 'colorfull language' or cigarettes or alcohol which makes people adults.....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
2081
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:05:00 -
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Rin Valador wrote:Yay I feel justified! \o/
No hard feelings OP just poking fun!
 "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
695
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:21:00 -
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Rin Valador wrote:Yay I feel justified! \o/
No hard feelings OP just poking fun! What did fun ever do to you? Meanie! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Lysenko Alland
Ubiquitous Hurt Exodus.
13
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:35:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote: Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5.
Well i guess it was a tad overpowered..
It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D
To be fair, you'd said it had been a "long time" since you'd been in the ship, and alluded to numerous patches having happened since then.
Geckos are about six weeks old, since which there's been one major patch, so guessing that you were using geckos didn't really fit what you told us. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
837
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:02:00 -
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Just to clarify ...
Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.
EDIT:
The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake. |

stoicfaux
5003
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:01:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just to clarify ...
Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.
EDIT:
The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake. Except that even with all V skills t2 sentry DPS went down.
Am I the only person who noticed this?
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1016
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:24:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just to clarify ...
Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.
EDIT:
The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake. Except that even with all V skills t2 sentry DPS went down. Am I the only person who noticed this?
No that's correct. If you want to fully preserve your old dps you probably need the new faction drone damage amps. None have dropped for me, so my dps is down right now.
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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
441
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:09:00 -
[36] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:Rannasha Kore wrote:Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage. Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5. Well i guess it was a tad overpowered.. It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D
Hmmm....has it been a long time since you've posted in GD?
Maybe you should have read the GD patch notes. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1207
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:16:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just to clarify ...
Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.
EDIT:
The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake. Except that even with all V skills t2 sentry DPS went down. Am I the only person who noticed this? Fozzie's numbers for T2 sentries indicated that only Gardes and Bouncers should have gone down, curators and wardens up. I haven't verified the math though. |

Paranoid Loyd
706
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:17:00 -
[38] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:tl;dr - OP was rude. OP doesn't have the moral high ground. OP should apologize. This, we're waiting  "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |

Julian Sandcastle
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:08:00 -
[39] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:Christopher AET wrote:So you didn't look at the patch notes. That explains it. You should have looked at the patch notes. You're like the kid sat there yelling Mom! Mom! Mom" while the adults are trying to speak. Go seek attention elsewhere until bed time or there's going to be no sweeties on the way home from school for anyone tomorrow.
Anyway, i think it's going to come down the the specific drones used. The patch notes say dps goes down due to the bonus from the Drone Interfacing skill, but the loss will be covered by increasing the base damage of most drones. I can only imagine i'm using drones (not sentry) that have not recieved the dps increase, and so i get much lower dps cus i'v lost half my DI bonus..
I've noted over the years, as you are now aware, that the bulk of posts on the General forum are focused more on broadcasting the poster's assumed level of "cleverness" at the expense of actual information content.
It is more important for the poster to be clever, than it is for them to be helpful.
Dogs are good at providing unconditional companionship and licking their nether regions.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2338
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:16:00 -
[40] - Quote
First few posts made me laugh out loud. XD The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Stop staring at my boobs! -
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
551
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:40:00 -
[41] - Quote
Notes on Patches? |

Atalia Madeveda
TaxDoge
1
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Posted - 2014.06.18 04:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
You had **** drone skills pre patch and post patch your drone skills got shittier. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
839
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Posted - 2014.06.18 04:55:00 -
[43] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just to clarify ...
Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.
EDIT:
The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake. Except that even with all V skills t2 sentry DPS went down. Am I the only person who noticed this? Fozzie's numbers for T2 sentries indicated that only Gardes and Bouncers should have gone down, curators and wardens up. I haven't verified the math though.
hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1207
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Posted - 2014.06.18 04:59:00 -
[44] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote: hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
839
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:06:00 -
[45] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote: hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf.
If they want people to use wardens or curators they need to give them useful features. Give Curators crazy good tracking for example or Wardens 20% more HP might work.
Otherwise people are just going to stick with Garde and Bouncers for everything. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1181
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:18:00 -
[46] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:stoicfaux wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
Thanks man, appreciate it. The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before.
Train up the drone racial skills. They are needed more now than before because they affect all the drones now as far as I know. |

Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
181
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Posted - 2014.06.18 09:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
with the damage balance I find using the right drone on the right rats is better now than just using gal/min drones.
this goes doubly for the gurista ships. |

Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
47
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Posted - 2014.06.18 09:48:00 -
[48] - Quote
You only missed a year of internet apparently |

Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
442
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
Elmonky wrote:You only missed a year of internet apparently
Are there any patch notes I could read to catch up on the internet?
English is fine, though Engrish, 1337$p3@I<, or lolcat would work also. |

Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
9
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
Just wanna appear in a Keno post :-) |

Conrad Lionhart
13
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
When will patch notes be released? It still says to be released.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos |

Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
693
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Posted - 2014.06.18 12:05:00 -
[52] - Quote
Arean Proktor wrote:Just wanna appear in a Keno post :-)
Yaaay :D
Anyway, i'm not sure i said anything all that rude. And apologising for being vague in EvE is like apologising for running in football. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |

Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:48:00 -
[53] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:stoicfaux wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"
However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.
Thanks man, appreciate it. The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before.
Prepare to feel stupid...
Domi.
1011 dps was with Lrg Hybrid Guns and drones...
772 dps is with drones only and drone links in highs... |

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
294
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:08:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:If you payed a bit more attention in schoo. Hilarious
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1001
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:30:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:..i asked in the post if it was in some patch notes. From this you can of course (being clever little soldiers)
Hot tip: People who aren't smart enough to find the patch notes on their own don't get to be condescending.
What you should have done:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+patch+notes
Instead, you opted to showcase your ineptitude on a public forum, thereby inviting much deserved ridicule. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Kesshisan
108
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:03:00 -
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Drones were balanced in the Kronos expansion.
Pre-Kronos, only two racial drones were used much at all: Gallente, and Minmatar.
CCP decided that they wanted to make all racial Drones a viable choice and balanced them. The idea behind the balances can be outlined in this post: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/
The basic idea for non-sentry drones is you get more damage as you get less speed, and you get more speed as you get less damage.
The basic idea for sentry drones is you get more damage as you get less optimal/falloff, and you get more optimal/falloff as you get less damage.
To achieve this balance the two previously leftout racial drones (Amarr and Caldari) got their damage increased a bit.
To achieve this balance the two previously used racial drones (Gallente and Minmatar) got their damage decreased a bit.
Now you have an option to choose between speed and damage or distance and damage. Furthermore, you are no longer limited to only two damage types with drones, you are now free to select your damage type and have a viable drone available to you, but you may need some training to get it up to par. |

JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1128
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:19:00 -
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That's a templar. The amarr fighter. |

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2990
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:37:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Rannasha Kore wrote:Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage. Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5. Well i guess it was a tad overpowered.. It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D
They get likes because they make people chuckle a tad with their silly and often useless banter. It was a chuckle filled thread for me as it read like one of my 2 y/o daughters books, 'We are in a book". |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5279
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Posted - 2014.06.21 01:34:00 -
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Man, if only CCP released this information ahead of time so you could prepare & not have to sit there wondering why something today is different from yesterday. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
450
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Posted - 2014.06.21 03:12:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote: hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf. If they want people to use wardens or curators they need to give them useful features. Give Curators crazy good tracking for example or Wardens 20% more HP might work. Otherwise people are just going to stick with Garde and Bouncers for everything. Wardens are good for shooting kinetic-weak rats at range.
Curators should theoretically be good against EM-weak rats, but CCP in their infinite wisdom nerfed their falloff so much that you're often better off using bouncers or wardens. |
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