That's actually not true. All of the talk has been that if WL was changed the larger alliances would have the advantage over intel.

Well, to begin with, they already have the advantage, because they have more people.

Secondly, they should have an advantage, they are larger and are devoting more resources to intel.

Thirdly, every one of these statements highlights the fact that watchlists work in favor of giving smaller alliances more intel than they legitimately work for, providing more value to them than they do the larger alliances. That is not an equal balance across all playing fields.

If you want an equal balance, get rid of easy meta-intel like the watch list, and then it'll be down to the individuals to provide that balance. Smaller alliances can still easily hold an edge on larger alliances because one savvy vet can gain better intel than 10 scrubs watching the doors because everyone else is too busy being important.

It's very simple. Non-Consensual Watch-listing stifles gameplay for the intel players, and reduces confrontations between capital pilots through arbitrary means.

This will actually make it even worse for my targets since now they wont be able to see when I log on.

All this request tells me is that somebody is upset that he can;t do anything with his cap ship since people know he is logged on.

The WL is the only in-game passive Intel that people have at their disposal. Other intel such as fleet movements, ship types, numbers involved, intended targets, all that has to come from someone either actively spying on that fleet or physically watching the fleet move from point A to point B. Everyone is capable of doing this, regardless of if they are rather new or old to the game.

How would Consensual WLing make things any better than what we already have? So, in order to add someone to a WL, you must first have their permission to do so? That's completely ludicrous, NO ONE would agree to be WL if it was turned into Consensual. Spying in general would fall off the map of being a valid play style if you knew WHO the spy was from the get go. It would completely destroy Counter-Espionage which is another play style.

I would rather have what you claim is stifle gameplay than no gameplay at all.

If you have a spy where it matter, watchlist should not be needed as you would be able to use regular coms from the entity you are spying on to get the intel you need/want.

It would make intel gathering harder but that's pretty much the whole point of the suggestion. Intel should not just be given to you because you made a list of character...

You're aware the watchlist only tells you that someone is online, not where they are right? It's a useful game feature, not a game-breaking intel source.

You're aware the watchlist only tells you that someone is online, not where they are right? It's a useful game feature, not a game-breaking intel source.

You should read better: Super and Titan pilots are the ones that are being watchlisted.
It is not possible to log in your Capital Fleet without being noticed due to the watchlist.
This is actually gamebreaking since you only need to watchlist them once and you have instant and free intel forever.

People have stopped using their Supers because they know they have been watchlisted and the second they log on,
the enemy will run a locater on them and hunt them down. This is too easy and will make that all super pilots will either stop using them or join the biggest supercap alliance in game to avoid losing them. Do we want more big block power projection??

With respect, anyone worried about random strangers suddenly attacking them due to logging in is someone that has no business flying a supercap, as it suggests that they feel their fleet/corp/alliance support is lacking. In that case, they're better off in another role and I wish them the best of luck.

Personally I don't know a single supercap pilot who gives two hoots about anyone knowing they're online because they never leave their POS shields without a fleet at their side (besides titans which only poke their butts out to bridge anyway 90% of the time).

So what you're suggesting is the removal of a useful feature that many players use and enjoy every day, for the sake of a handful of risk-averse supercapital pilots. Interesting.

You're aware the watchlist only tells you that someone is online, not where they are right? It's a useful game feature, not a game-breaking intel source.

What was this ? Did I hear a 'buhhuhuhu' to reanimate a dead thread ?

Seriously, people complaining about the watchlist have no concept if intelligence and COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. You know, even if you are tagged, you can make the watchlist work for you ? A a lack of understanding and imagination is no excuse to complain about a working feature.

You know, this game could be more interesting if there were a greater reliance upon locator agents, on-grid scouts, probes, and d-scan. For a game that emphasizes a world of possibilities, it feels like scouting gets the short end of the player stick because CCP introduced so many powerful tools that reduce (not eliminate, but reduce) the need for actual human players in that role.

But I'm biased. I play Scout in TF2. A lot.

make locator agents not suck and I'll use them more. currently only able to run one ever half hour with a lv 4 and every 15 mins with a lv3 means to effectively track down new war targets it takes forever and requires lots of alts.




on a side note if you want to change watch list make it 2 way. I add you to watch list it tells you and now you can add me to watch list.

Indeed, they do kind of suck. But my post wasn't really all that serious in the first place. Just trying to be a bit...jovial with the TF2 bit.

This will benefit the smaller Alliances that want to use their Supers without being immediatly hotdropped by PL or GOONS.
Offcourse PL and GOONS will say that it is a "working" feature because they are masters of metagaming.
Ofcourse they want to keep ganking Supers and Titans of smaller entities, and all they have to do is keep them on watchlist.

Watchlist is only beneficial for the big blocs with lots of supers.
Counterintelligence is worthless since you KNOW they will blob the hell out of you the second you log your super in, because they will know instantly because of the ridicilous watchlist.

You are reducing a feature that everyone can use to a very small group and a single issue. Your logic, reasoning and conclusions are at fault, because you are ignoring everything and everybody else, as you demonstrated again. You are utterly ignorant of possibilites, options, other players and other gameplay, but for a few with supers and their constricted mindeset and concern. Yeah, a great objective and all-encompassing argument you are having here.

And your arguments are?

You are burning down a good idea, yet you fail ro give a good argument why it shouldnt be implemented.
So either you are bad at trolling or you have no clue what you are talking about.

Logged in your alt for that ? GJ.

And you have been reading all the posts right ? And all those of the other threads that have come up ? Again, GJ. My constructive advice, do so.

And your arguments are?

You are burning down a good idea, yet you fail ro give a good argument why it shouldnt be implemented.
So either you are bad at trolling or you have no clue what you are talking about.
You also talk about possibilities, options and other gameplay, yet you do not specify any.
Please enlighten me and tell me what you can do to avoid PL hotdropping you when they have watchlisted
all your super-pilots and you are logging in your Supers to shoot some structures.