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Saint Wicoa
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:00:00 -
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EVE is a fabulous fabulous game.
Flight style joystick control with big red buttons which have 1/2 hatch hinged for the ultimate experience ;).
Don't rip me apart but this is why I liked star lancer so much! The flight experience is dulled imho with the bog standard mouse and keyboard. This is a unique mmo please allow for unique controls to cater for your amazing game.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:02:00 -
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its a strategy game tbh. this would affect fights to much. plus doubt the server could handle something like that.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:04:00 -
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No.no.no.no.no.no.no.no
This is not a game of lightning reflexes. How exactly would a joystick-based system be implimented anyway? Usrs with a slow connection would be shafted, lag would make far too many fights unplayable, and the game would be completely changed from a RPG to a FPS.
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:05:00 -
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Saint Wicoa
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:07:00 -
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Alright lag monstor may win but the personal experience would be well out of this world!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:07:00 -
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Yeah, thats a brilliant idea. Lets replace Eve's tactical combat system with a laggy, twitch based monstrosity. We could think up a really cool name for it, like NGE 
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Saint Wicoa
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:07:00 -
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I think it could be done not 100% sure. The skill element would increase!
Perhaps something for EVE 2 ;) I just want to sweep my mouse and keyboard aside and have a throttle + flight joystick even fighting npcs would be fun then!.
It is possible to click in space with a mouse I don't think this vision is an impossible dream.
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Saint Wicoa
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:08:00 -
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<runs and hides>
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Saint Wicoa
Perhaps something for EVE 2 ;) I just want to sweep my mouse and keyboard aside and have a throttle + flight joystick even fighting npcs would be fun then!.
play Freespace 2
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: Saint Wicoa
Perhaps something for EVE 2 ;) I just want to sweep my mouse and keyboard aside and have a throttle + flight joystick even fighting npcs would be fun then!.
play Freespace 2
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:57:00 -
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Color me french but it's missing some bling bling, more customizations.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.17 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Yeah, thats a brilliant idea. Lets replace Eve's tactical combat system with a laggy, twitch based monstrosity. We could think up a really cool name for it, like NGE
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Michiyo Daishi
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Posted - 2006.06.17 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Wicoa
EVE is a fabulous fabulous game.
Flight style joystick control with big red buttons which have 1/2 hatch hinged for the ultimate experience ;).
Don't rip me apart but this is why I liked star lancer so much! The flight experience is dulled imho with the bog standard mouse and keyboard. This is a unique mmo please allow for unique controls to cater for your amazing game.
uh... no.
That would be asking way too much in terms of controls, simulating the feel of each ship all over again for such controls, having new streams of data to and fro the servers when the player exerts said control, and how the player gets info on the thousands of others as well online.
Lag perhaps? Definately.
So suggestion passes inspection? No. Definite no.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.06.17 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Originally by: Saint Wicoa
Perhaps something for EVE 2 ;) I just want to sweep my mouse and keyboard aside and have a throttle + flight joystick even fighting npcs would be fun then!.
play Freespace 2
QFT, Freespace 2 owns
I would sell my soul for Freespace 3. Apparently they have the storyline all thought out, but Violition (i think they made it right?) doesn't have the rights to FS anymore.
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insulubria
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Posted - 2006.06.17 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: insulubria on 17/06/2006 21:26:26
The eve world is not on your computer, its in europe..
Afaik eve is a simulated world on the eve cluster, we simply send requests to it and it see's if such things are possible, hence extreme anti-cheating as its 100% serverside.
First, eve cannot handle anywhere near an update rate that would be capable of making it seem flawless..
Secondly, even if it was a mear hack that moving your joystick really made your mouse click in a relative direction many times (per second) possibly you would have the whole, "it goes to the server, checks if your operation is legal, then does the action, then it comes back too you" and then you see your ship moving. So EXTREME LATENCY between you doing something and something happening would be much more apparent. But no different then it already is.
Thirdly.. you know what would happen if everyone in eve all of a sudden started clicking 10 times a second? .................
Fourth, a repost of an old idea, everyone would "like it if" and the if wouldnt happen till you had faster then light optics for broad band and optical quantum what ever you want to call it for the eve cluster to run on.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.06.18 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: insulubria
Edited by: insulubria on 17/06/2006 21:26:26
The eve world is not on your computer, its in europe..
Afaik eve is a simulated world on the eve cluster, we simply send requests to it and it see's if such things are possible, hence extreme anti-cheating as its 100% serverside.
First, eve cannot handle anywhere near an update rate that would be capable of making it seem flawless..
Secondly, even if it was a mear hack that moving your joystick really made your mouse click in a relative direction many times (per second) possibly you would have the whole, "it goes to the server, checks if your operation is legal, then does the action, then it comes back too you" and then you see your ship moving. So EXTREME LATENCY between you doing something and something happening would be much more apparent. But no different then it already is.
Thirdly.. you know what would happen if everyone in eve all of a sudden started clicking 10 times a second? .................
Fourth, a repost of an old idea, everyone would "like it if" and the if wouldnt happen till you had faster then light optics for broad band and optical quantum what ever you want to call it for the eve cluster to run on.
Even then it would change Eve from a tactical / stategic game like Homeworld / Starfleet Command and their ilk to a FPS / Flight sim shooter like Freelancer or Independance War. Don't get me wrong, I loved Freelancer and I-War for what they were. I loved the Homeworld series for what is was. I play Eve because I love Eve for it's depth and it's emphasis in combat on brains and tactics rather than twitch and relexes.
Losing 30mil of ship because the guy countered all your fittings and out thought you - great. Losing 30mil of ship because the other guy is 15 years younger with better relexes, a faster connection, closer proximity to the server and a $200 joystick? too much like meta-gaming to be cool.
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ArmageddonX
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Posted - 2006.06.18 02:38:00 -
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I want to play EVE with this:
http://img.game.net/images/productpages/steelbatcontrol.jpg
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.06.18 02:47:00 -
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Allegiance is 1000000x better than Freespace for Multiplayer flight sim combat. http://www.freeallegiance.org/
EVE is not a flight sim as much as it is a strategy game as mentioned earlier. I highly recommend Allegiance if you want a space flight sim with PVP combat =P (up to like...48 people in one game I think? It's a really high number in allegiance...).
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.18 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: HippoKing
Yeah, thats a brilliant idea. Lets replace Eve's tactical combat system with a laggy, twitch based monstrosity. We could think up a really cool name for it, like NGE
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.06.18 03:44:00 -
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Freespace 2 owned. I would stay up until 4 am on school nights running the same multiplayer missions over and over, and they would rock every time. I remember the bug in the mission with the Shivan capital ship (the Ravana I think) where you could sit in a little crevice in its hull, match speed with it and be completely invulnerable.
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CutterJane
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Posted - 2006.06.18 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Wicoa
I think it could be done not 100% sure. The skill element would increase!
Twitch does not equal skill. Not all people have great reflexes, or good hand eye coordination, or want to keep their hand on the stick 24/7.
And regardless of anything else.. you are the captain of a spaceship, not the pilot.
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2006.06.18 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Yeah, thats a brilliant idea. Lets replace Eve's tactical combat system with a laggy, twitch based monstrosity. We could think up a really cool name for it, like NGE
hummm a mouse is just a glorified joystick why would there be more lag :)
both are based on the same X y pos just different port
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Peacock McNuggets
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Posted - 2006.06.18 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Peacock McNuggets on 18/06/2006 06:07:14
I personally am rubbish at joystick control style flight sim stuff
If this was how eve fights were fought i would not be in my third year of eve
there are plenty of games out there that do require those skills i personnally think its nice to have a game where you can have a fight without the joy stick
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.06.18 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 18/06/2006 06:30:28
Nah I prefer Virtual Reality.
Joysticks are a thing of the past. When VR comes out, I expect Eve to have the client coded, and wires on my head point to my brain activation systems. So when my brain sends the signals to my hands to turn the ship right, I expect my ship to turn right.
This is the only time I will be interested in a new control type for Eve. Oh, and the VR should have a c.ockpit view in eve, so I can see myself sitting in the captain's chair in my Raven, with 3 blonde intaki slave 18y/o's at my side.
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Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2006.06.18 07:22:00 -
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Another don't ya wish that could never happen. Hey at least this thread would actually be cool instead of chat bubbles. *thinks of Jita with chat bubbles again* OH god no! *slits wrists*
Originally by: KilROCK
Oh my god, i was so busy typing a butthole of crap on a carrier topic and i missed this!
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Riho
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Posted - 2006.06.18 08:12:00 -
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if the game would go over to joystick controll, then there should have to be like 2-3 servers of eve.. couse the mass of communication between servers and cliets would bee to high.... LAGGG :P well atleast thats what i think
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Pete Stalker
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Posted - 2006.06.18 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Wicoa
This is a unique mmo please allow for unique controls
Hehe, yeah, give EVE this unique joystick flight style no other game has!
I'm glad EVE isnt one of that WASD-Games 'cause I dont even have a joystick.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.06.18 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bohoba
Originally by: HippoKing
Yeah, thats a brilliant idea. Lets replace Eve's tactical combat system with a laggy, twitch based monstrosity. We could think up a really cool name for it, like NGE
hummm a mouse is just a glorified joystick why would there be more lag :)
both are based on the same X y pos just different port
Mouse transmits it's on screen position the the interface client side when you click and the resultant data is sent to the server. Double click in space 90deg to port:
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns to new heading. Client recieves new position and renders.
Joystick transmits to the interface in many small increments all of which have to be transmitted to server. Move joystick to the left:
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Transmit: New heading sent to server. Ship turns 0.1 deg to port. Client recieves new position and renders.
Get it?
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2006.06.18 11:54:00 -
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How would an input device create lag? Thats one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. A flight stick sends the same signals to your PC as a keyboard or mouse or game pad or racing wheel etc. etc.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.18 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 18/06/2006 12:11:00
Originally by: ParMizaN
No.no.no.no.no.no.no.no
This is not a game of lightning reflexes. How exactly would a joystick-based system be implimented anyway? Usrs with a slow connection would be shafted, lag would make far too many fights unplayable, and the game would be completely changed from a RPG to a FPS.
Not sure what your on about mate, flightsim style fighter games like starlancer, echelon ect, played with a flightstick... there nothing like lightning reflex twitch fps games... ever played Iwar2.... the flightstyle and physics would fit perfectly with eve's different ship classes... it's anything but twitch.
But hey eve isn't and never will a flightstick game with it's skill based system, so no need to worry
Insider first person*****pit view would be nice though, i could see it working, and would make the game all the more awesome imho when jumping in different ships
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