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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:10:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. Far more people have died from almost any other kind of power generation you can name than nuclear. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10492
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:12:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:"Science" has a very limited comprehension and understanding about the long term effects of radiation. You are not a health physicist nor a radiological scientist. The fact that you put science in quotes is just one of many indications that you have no idea what you're talking about. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3483
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:12:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game.
It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon; these weapons contain very special materials in very particular configurations, neither of which are present in a nuclear reactor.
Nuclear energy is as safe or safer than any other form of energy available. No member of the public has ever been injured or killed in the entire 50-year history of commercial nuclear power in the U.S. In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office.
Today, 436 reactors are operating in 31 countries, generating about 15 percent of the worldGÇÖs electricity. Fifty reactors are under construction, primarily in China, South Korea, and Russia, with the fastest growth in Asia. India, France, and Finland also are building new plants. And that's only the reactors that are generating commercial power. There are many more in labs around the globe.
As for the occasional accident, let's take the most well-known of three, total. A Chernobyl-type accident could not have happened outside of the Soviet Union because this type of reactor was never built or operated anywhere else. The known fatalities during the Chernobyl accident were mostly emergency first responders. Of the people known to have received a high radiation dose, the increase in cancer incidence is too small to measure due to other causes of cancer such as air pollution and tobacco use. There was virtually no divergence from the mean cancer rate in the USSR following that incident.
The area is not uninhabitable. It was originally declared an exclusion zone due to the incident. It only remains one for scientific study on the long term effects of residual radiation in the area. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3922
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:13:00 -
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I demand cancer warnings on UV and X-Ray crystals! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:15:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I demand cancer warnings on UV and X-Ray crystals!
And one on the infra-red crystals that says "Point away from eyes". You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:17:00 -
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Also I've read the descriptions on DU ammo before and despite being very pro-nuclear, I'm not so spergy that I can't recognize a joke. OP needs to get laid or something.
Also, DU isn't entirely innocent. It's still a heavy metal and will cause the same kind of heavy metal toxicity issues that lead does. That probably accounts for the majority of horrifying effects attributed to it, the rest probably being completely unrelated and/or sensationalized. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1917
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:18:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Nuclear power plants have offices too.....
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3484
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:21:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Nuclear power plants have offices too.....
You had to go and complicate it, didn't you  You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Goswin Winters
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon; these weapons contain very special materials in very particular configurations, neither of which are present in a nuclear reactor. Nuclear energy is as safe or safer than any other form of energy available. No member of the public has ever been injured or killed in the entire 50-year history of commercial nuclear power in the U.S. In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Today, 436 reactors are operating in 31 countries, generating about 15 percent of the worldGÇÖs electricity. Fifty reactors are under construction, primarily in China, South Korea, and Russia, with the fastest growth in Asia. India, France, and Finland also are building new plants. And that's only the reactors that are generating commercial power. There are many more in labs around the globe. As for the occasional accident, let's take the most well-known of three, total. A Chernobyl-type accident could not have happened outside of the Soviet Union because this type of reactor was never built or operated anywhere else. The known fatalities during the Chernobyl accident were mostly emergency first responders. Of the people known to have received a high radiation dose, the increase in cancer incidence is too small to measure due to other causes of cancer such as air pollution and tobacco use. There was virtually no divergence from the mean cancer rate in the USSR following that incident. The area is not uninhabitable. It was originally declared an exclusion zone due to the incident. It only remains one for scientific study on the long term effects of residual radiation in the area.
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10494
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:32:00 -
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Welcome, throwaway forum alt. Did you know that France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power? They have a pretty good track record for it too. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:41:00 -
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Goswin Winters wrote:
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else.
I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming.
If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Welcome, throwaway forum alt. Did you know that France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power? They have a pretty good track record for it too.
The best record so far, actually. I'm no fan of the French, but they know how to nuclear. Credit where credit is due. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5312
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:45:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Goswin Winters wrote:
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else. I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming. If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors.
Plus they hardly ever use baguettes for cooling reactors.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon
I never said that. |

Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:47:00 -
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you know what this thread is leading to people......
Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:
"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"
Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!
Duk-A-DUR! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10500
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:49:00 -
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Handar Turiant wrote:you know what this thread is leading to people......
Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:
"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"
Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!
Duk-A-DUR! If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to foodporndaily. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:50:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon
I never said that.
Not specifically, no. But this is the misconception that leads to arguments against nuclear like the one you made. If I was to write a paper that explores the frequency and reasoning of arguments used against nuclear, I have little doubt that the misconception that reactors can explode would be the number one fear-driving lie that leads people to believe they are a disaster waiting to happen. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:50:00 -
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Nuclear reactors are /great/ for base load.
And, if you're not pandering to certain groups, not particularly bad waste wise. Because you have fast breeder plants.
The problem isn't high level waste. It's low level waste. Highly radioactive things aren't highly radioactive for long periods of time. (the energy has to come from somewhere.) So if you can turn low level waste into fuel, tada, you've just helped deal with the problem.
Yes, you have to be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onagawa_Nuclear_Power_Plant was closer to the epicenter of the earthquake that hit japan, and caused the problems at Fukishima. It shut down safely, and provided shelter to people rendered homeless by the tsunami.
Good design work helps. (and these are /old/ designs. newer designs are safer) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to porndaily.
FTFY. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10500
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:51:00 -
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"But the radiation from U-238 lasts for 4.5 billion years! That's like, so long! It'll be dangerous forever!" No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Ridha Shakir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:53:00 -
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Solar power anyone?  |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:55:00 -
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Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone? 
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/deaths-per-twh-for-all-energy-sources.html
 Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:56:00 -
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Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone? 
Supplementary only, not sustainable. Does the UK even have a sun? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:59:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues.
This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this:
The children of basra 1
The children of basra 2
The children of basra 3
Afghanistan 1
Clicky 1
Clicky 2
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Ridha Shakir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:59:00 -
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Boy, you asked for it 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:00:00 -
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Oh that's right.
Murdoch is British now.
Good, you can keep him. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:05:00 -
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Butzewutze wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this: The children of basra 1The children of basra 2The children of basra 3
That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicity
A teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17 Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
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Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:06:00 -
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I never said its only about radioactivity. But calling this "health issues" is a non-correct joke in my eyes. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:12:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Butzewutze wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this: The children of basra 1The children of basra 2The children of basra 3 That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicityA teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17
I might add that similar results were seen in people in combat areas in Iraq in 2004, when no DU was used at all, and then in Fallujah. Also from Wikipedia:
"Four studies in the second half of 2012GÇöone of which described the people of Fallujah as having "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied"GÇörenewed calls for the US and UK to investigate the possible links between their military assault on the city in 2004 and the explosion in deformities, cancers, and other serious health problems, even though no depleted uranium was found in soil samples taken from Fallujah."
There's more correlation between these deformities with conflict in tyrannical regimes than there is with depleted uranium. Uranium, and DU, undergo alpha decay, with the rare chance of uranium emitting double beta decay, but DU doesn't do that. It's highly unlikely that the radiation is causing health problems, but there are toxicity issues with hexavalent uranium uranyl compounds and like any heavy metal, as mentioned above, uranium is gonna be toxic, especially if it's ingested or otherwise gets into your bloodstream. There is no evidence to suggest though that the stuff is causing birth defects and deformities. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1217
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:13:00 -
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I'm more worried about those @%Gé¼$*! laser ammo that takes a TON of visual place and can't be sold, stacked, or repaired. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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