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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
536
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:07:00 -
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Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.
Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.
Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.
Thank you. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1906
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:08:00 -
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Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.
The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW.... Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5560
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:15:00 -
[3] - Quote
*Frysquints at OP*
... not sure if serious or trolling. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |

Tebizla
35
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:32:00 -
[4] - Quote
I can imagine the discussion OP had regarding this subject with his fellow corpmembers on comms ...  Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |

Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
282
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:39:00 -
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So you are concerned about Uranium ammunition getting a (even more) bad reputation? 
Original: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with an extra toe on your forehead.
Corrected: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with gulf war syndrome. May include but is not limited to: chronic fatigue/Headache, Memory problems, muscle pain, Diarrhea, Neurological problems, terminal tumors, respiratory problems, post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic multi-symptom illnesses, skin conditions and Arthritis.
I like the original better, it's a bit less depressing. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5528
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:44:00 -
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Ban Nuclear Ammo
Use only clear, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth) "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
916
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:50:00 -
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* Sends Ramona some lovely extra toe ammunition from 1400s *  Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3043
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:57:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
So is taking yourself too seriously.
"i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5532
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:06:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Gurgling sounds
Yes dear. Im sure whatever you said made sense in your "language" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
237
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:09:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.
The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW....
I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
491
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:22:00 -
[11] - Quote
Wow. Just when I thought bullets were supposed to be dangerous, and cause organ failure. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2121
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:26:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic. +1 just for that.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1911
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:30:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
238
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:59:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya.
Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer.
It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory).
(1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth) (2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts). (3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star. (4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field. (5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer).
Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius.
Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5533
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:01:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya. Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer. It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory). (1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth) (2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts). (3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star. (4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field. (5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer). Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius. Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates.
Such a messy way of generating power
Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1316
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:06:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ban Nuclear Ammo
Use only clear, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth)
When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is.  |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5534
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:08:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is. 
<---------- "The Avatar Creator has unfortunately reached its maximum level of Scornful Distaste and must restart" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4057
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:23:00 -
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I've changed my ammo type to Exotic dancers way back. Makes quite a mess and takes half your **** when you clean them off. |

lanyaie
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exit Strategy..
1017
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:37:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote: Random stuff
Hey there, I happen to be an engineer. should I tell you what's wrong with eve from my view? Perhaps I should also call my physicist friend to tell you what is wrong with eve from his perspective.
Eve isn't a simulator, if you wan't to play a space simulator go become an astronaut. Hai |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3471
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:43:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives.
But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
541
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives. But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.
I agree completely. Molten salt thorium reactors are the best option.
Also, yay my first troll thread. :D |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4058
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:48:00 -
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SPACESHIPS ARE NOT REAL???? WHAT THE **** MAN??!! |

Tebizla
36
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:29:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:.
Also, yay my first troll thread. :D
Realizing this was a pointless thread does suck indeed. Especially if you start making excuses.
/thread. Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |

Serene Repose
1396
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:50:00 -
[24] - Quote
omg no. you didn't. okay, since you did....giving depleted uranium a bad name...
"Science" has a very limited comprehension and understanding about the long term effects of radiation. The "amounts" they use for illustrative purposes are essentially arbitrarily chosen. Oddly enough, they've been reduced over time...moreso than say...the effect of radiation.
To sit here and claim to possess authoritative knowledge with regard to how much does what to whom where and how is just as confusing and deceptive as the humorous description in the game. In fact, it is more deceptive as couching rank speculation in the aura of authority does confuse and deceive, whereas a joke just MIGHT.
The fact is, they don't know. The amounts and sorts of radiation available to be exposed to have not been around long enough to even consider there's a body of knowledge that could be seriously called "long-term". The effects of atmospheric content, content in water (the recent debacle in Japan with regard to the ocean) are not known.
It cannot be said if "a lot" or "a little" has been introduced into our ecosystem since Madam Curie. It cannot be honestly said how much of this material has escaped from controlled conditions, it even cannot be said if the so-called controlled conditions are actually as controlled as we are led to believe.
This is all not a joke. AT least EVE's description of it is. And, yes. The entire point of comedy is to laugh at these seriously stupid things. Giving depleted uranium a bad name...I can't believe I read that. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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CCP Falcon
7559

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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:57:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Also, yay my first troll thread. :D
Solid 9/10.
Would read again.
<3
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
333
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:58:00 -
[26] - Quote
Given that the Fusion ammunition is magnitudes of power more dangerous than DU - aka throwing STARS at the enemy (and less said about Antimatter the better...) - a little humour about a comically exaggerated reaction to radiation from one of the more commonly known radiactive materials is fine. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3482
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:59:00 -
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Did you use the word 'science' in inverted commas to indicate you think the science is making stuff up?
Because, there are over two million articles here that suggest science has more than a 'very limited comprehension and understanding of the long term effects of radiation'.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:00:00 -
[28] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. |

Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:05:00 -
[29] - Quote
*applauds*
Epic trolling is epic.
Almost on par with completely ridiculous rants from the Republican party.
You sir, are a forum star.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
235
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:06:00 -
[30] - Quote
I demand that CCP changes depleted uranium ammo power to renewable types of ammunition like wind ammo, hydropower ammo, solar ammo and geothermal ammo. That way the space ecosystem will be preserved for future spaceships to space pew. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10492
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:10:00 -
[31] - Quote
Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. Far more people have died from almost any other kind of power generation you can name than nuclear. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10492
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:12:00 -
[32] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:"Science" has a very limited comprehension and understanding about the long term effects of radiation. You are not a health physicist nor a radiological scientist. The fact that you put science in quotes is just one of many indications that you have no idea what you're talking about. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3483
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:12:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game.
It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon; these weapons contain very special materials in very particular configurations, neither of which are present in a nuclear reactor.
Nuclear energy is as safe or safer than any other form of energy available. No member of the public has ever been injured or killed in the entire 50-year history of commercial nuclear power in the U.S. In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office.
Today, 436 reactors are operating in 31 countries, generating about 15 percent of the worldGÇÖs electricity. Fifty reactors are under construction, primarily in China, South Korea, and Russia, with the fastest growth in Asia. India, France, and Finland also are building new plants. And that's only the reactors that are generating commercial power. There are many more in labs around the globe.
As for the occasional accident, let's take the most well-known of three, total. A Chernobyl-type accident could not have happened outside of the Soviet Union because this type of reactor was never built or operated anywhere else. The known fatalities during the Chernobyl accident were mostly emergency first responders. Of the people known to have received a high radiation dose, the increase in cancer incidence is too small to measure due to other causes of cancer such as air pollution and tobacco use. There was virtually no divergence from the mean cancer rate in the USSR following that incident.
The area is not uninhabitable. It was originally declared an exclusion zone due to the incident. It only remains one for scientific study on the long term effects of residual radiation in the area. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3922
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:13:00 -
[34] - Quote
I demand cancer warnings on UV and X-Ray crystals! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3484
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:15:00 -
[35] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:I demand cancer warnings on UV and X-Ray crystals!
And one on the infra-red crystals that says "Point away from eyes". You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10494
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:17:00 -
[36] - Quote
Also I've read the descriptions on DU ammo before and despite being very pro-nuclear, I'm not so spergy that I can't recognize a joke. OP needs to get laid or something.
Also, DU isn't entirely innocent. It's still a heavy metal and will cause the same kind of heavy metal toxicity issues that lead does. That probably accounts for the majority of horrifying effects attributed to it, the rest probably being completely unrelated and/or sensationalized. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1917
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:18:00 -
[37] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Nuclear power plants have offices too.....
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3484
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:21:00 -
[38] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Nuclear power plants have offices too.....
You had to go and complicate it, didn't you  You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Goswin Winters
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:28:00 -
[39] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon; these weapons contain very special materials in very particular configurations, neither of which are present in a nuclear reactor. Nuclear energy is as safe or safer than any other form of energy available. No member of the public has ever been injured or killed in the entire 50-year history of commercial nuclear power in the U.S. In fact, recent studies have shown that it is safer to work in a nuclear power plant than an office. Today, 436 reactors are operating in 31 countries, generating about 15 percent of the worldGÇÖs electricity. Fifty reactors are under construction, primarily in China, South Korea, and Russia, with the fastest growth in Asia. India, France, and Finland also are building new plants. And that's only the reactors that are generating commercial power. There are many more in labs around the globe. As for the occasional accident, let's take the most well-known of three, total. A Chernobyl-type accident could not have happened outside of the Soviet Union because this type of reactor was never built or operated anywhere else. The known fatalities during the Chernobyl accident were mostly emergency first responders. Of the people known to have received a high radiation dose, the increase in cancer incidence is too small to measure due to other causes of cancer such as air pollution and tobacco use. There was virtually no divergence from the mean cancer rate in the USSR following that incident. The area is not uninhabitable. It was originally declared an exclusion zone due to the incident. It only remains one for scientific study on the long term effects of residual radiation in the area.
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10494
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:32:00 -
[40] - Quote
Welcome, throwaway forum alt. Did you know that France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power? They have a pretty good track record for it too. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3488
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
Goswin Winters wrote:
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else.
I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming.
If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3488
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:42:00 -
[42] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Welcome, throwaway forum alt. Did you know that France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power? They have a pretty good track record for it too.
The best record so far, actually. I'm no fan of the French, but they know how to nuclear. Credit where credit is due. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5312
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:45:00 -
[43] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Goswin Winters wrote:
You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...
I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else. I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming. If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors.
Plus they hardly ever use baguettes for cooling reactors.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:46:00 -
[44] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote: It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon
I never said that. |

Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
you know what this thread is leading to people......
Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:
"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"
Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!
Duk-A-DUR! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10500
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
Handar Turiant wrote:you know what this thread is leading to people......
Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:
"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"
Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!
Duk-A-DUR! If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to foodporndaily. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jessica Duranin wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon
I never said that.
Not specifically, no. But this is the misconception that leads to arguments against nuclear like the one you made. If I was to write a paper that explores the frequency and reasoning of arguments used against nuclear, I have little doubt that the misconception that reactors can explode would be the number one fear-driving lie that leads people to believe they are a disaster waiting to happen. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
Nuclear reactors are /great/ for base load.
And, if you're not pandering to certain groups, not particularly bad waste wise. Because you have fast breeder plants.
The problem isn't high level waste. It's low level waste. Highly radioactive things aren't highly radioactive for long periods of time. (the energy has to come from somewhere.) So if you can turn low level waste into fuel, tada, you've just helped deal with the problem.
Yes, you have to be careful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onagawa_Nuclear_Power_Plant was closer to the epicenter of the earthquake that hit japan, and caused the problems at Fukishima. It shut down safely, and provided shelter to people rendered homeless by the tsunami.
Good design work helps. (and these are /old/ designs. newer designs are safer) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to porndaily.
FTFY. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10500
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:51:00 -
[50] - Quote
"But the radiation from U-238 lasts for 4.5 billion years! That's like, so long! It'll be dangerous forever!" No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Ridha Shakir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Solar power anyone?  |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone? 
http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/deaths-per-twh-for-all-energy-sources.html
 Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:56:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone? 
Supplementary only, not sustainable. Does the UK even have a sun? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:59:00 -
[54] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues.
This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this:
The children of basra 1
The children of basra 2
The children of basra 3
Afghanistan 1
Clicky 1
Clicky 2
Don't just look away... thats how democracy and freedom looks. |

Ridha Shakir
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
Boy, you asked for it 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:00:00 -
[56] - Quote
Oh that's right.
Murdoch is British now.
Good, you can keep him. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3438
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
Butzewutze wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this: The children of basra 1The children of basra 2The children of basra 3
That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicity
A teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17 Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:06:00 -
[58] - Quote
I never said its only about radioactivity. But calling this "health issues" is a non-correct joke in my eyes. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3490
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Butzewutze wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this: The children of basra 1The children of basra 2The children of basra 3 That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicityA teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17
I might add that similar results were seen in people in combat areas in Iraq in 2004, when no DU was used at all, and then in Fallujah. Also from Wikipedia:
"Four studies in the second half of 2012GÇöone of which described the people of Fallujah as having "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied"GÇörenewed calls for the US and UK to investigate the possible links between their military assault on the city in 2004 and the explosion in deformities, cancers, and other serious health problems, even though no depleted uranium was found in soil samples taken from Fallujah."
There's more correlation between these deformities with conflict in tyrannical regimes than there is with depleted uranium. Uranium, and DU, undergo alpha decay, with the rare chance of uranium emitting double beta decay, but DU doesn't do that. It's highly unlikely that the radiation is causing health problems, but there are toxicity issues with hexavalent uranium uranyl compounds and like any heavy metal, as mentioned above, uranium is gonna be toxic, especially if it's ingested or otherwise gets into your bloodstream. There is no evidence to suggest though that the stuff is causing birth defects and deformities. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1217
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
I'm more worried about those @%Gé¼$*! laser ammo that takes a TON of visual place and can't be sold, stacked, or repaired. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5556
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:16:00 -
[61] - Quote
Altrue wrote:I'm more worried about those @%Gé¼$*! laser ammo that takes a TON of visual place and can't be sold, stacked, or repaired.
Ssshh its pretty
Also; it can be reprocessed
Whats the problem? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Sato Page
BLOOGDORY
128
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:24:00 -
[62] - Quote
0/10. Biomass please. Dinsdale Pirannha for CEO of CCP |

Tracy Smith
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:27:00 -
[63] - Quote
I wish I was smart enough to form an interesting and/or valid opinion on nuclear fuel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfJAHASV8k8 |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2422
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
Hi Tracy! :D
I really dig that name! :D The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
- Stop staring at them! ;) -
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Erin Crawford
112
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
while we're on the subject of ammo... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4055632#post4055632 |

Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:51:00 -
[66] - Quote
Nevermind... crappy forum ate my post. Wont bother with typing it all again... |

Tracy Smith
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:23:00 -
[67] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Hi Tracy! :D I really dig that name! :D
Not sure if kindness or extreme sarcasm :( |

ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
3348
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 13:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone?  Supplementary only, not sustainable. Does the UK even have a sun?
*Indignant huff*
I'll have you know the sky isn't COMPLETELY covered in clouds RIGHT NOW. Dodixie > Hek |

Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
270
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ridha Shakir wrote:Solar power anyone?  We can't use solar power, it depletes the sun and we'll freeze to death. |

Evai Tsuki
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
4
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:19:00 -
[70] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
So is taking yourself too seriously.
I realize I'm about 3 pages too late, but the irony here made me giggle like a little girl. |

Zero Sum Gain
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:41:00 -
[71] - Quote
So more evidence of CCPs reckless disregard for accurate scientific descriptions of nuclear power emerges. Thank you OP for this piece, may CCP one day see the massive irreparable damage they've caused to the popular knowledge of nuclear power. |

Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Cult of War
375
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:06:00 -
[72] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.
This man gets it. Would also accept he3 fusion. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
614
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
I recently heard a podcast that covered the use of DU to generate power. Apparently there is enough DU sitting around "to sustain 80% of the world's population at U.S. per capita energy usages for over a millennium". Already there is heavy investment to develop this Technology
Every known method of energy production and distribution has risk and harmful byproducts. HTFU. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5573
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:21:00 -
[74] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Every known method of energy production and distribution has risk and harmful byproducts. HTFU.
Really? Well I suppose, if you mean electricity is harmful I guess at the distribution part "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3047
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:26:00 -
[75] - Quote
Evai Tsuki wrote: I realize I'm about 3 pages too late,
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to solving it, so good job.
Also, I was toxic long before I ever took myself seriously. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3925
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:31:00 -
[76] - Quote
Any energy production from a depleting source will face a 0% efficiency as soon as we run out of material to burn. The only sources that can be considered to last forever are the sun (direct, wind and water) and gravity (tides) because if we run out of either of those, a lack of energy will be the least of our problems. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6798
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:38:00 -
[77] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.
Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.
Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.
Thank you.
soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with?
I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........
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CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
165
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:50:00 -
[78] - Quote
Xearal wrote:* Sends Ramona some lovely extra toe ammunition from 1400s * 
This little piggy went to market... BAM!! This little piggy stayed home... BAM!! This little piggy had roast fedo... BAM!! This little piggy had none... BAM!! And THIS little piggy went RATA-TAT-TAT-A-TAT-TAT AAALLL the way home! |

Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
809
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:10:00 -
[79] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with? I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........
You have the right to exist in a vacuum. Anything you say can and will expel any oxygen remaining in your lungs. You have the right to simultaneously boil and freeze to death. If you chose to forgo this right, tough *******, it's gonna happen. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? It is really hard to change your signature settings |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6801
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 16:13:00 -
[80] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with? I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........ You have the right to exist in a vacuum. Anything you say can and will expel any oxygen remaining in your lungs. You have the right to simultaneously boil and freeze to death. If you chose to forgo this right, tough *******, it's gonna happen. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?
*Tries to answer but can't because no air, then wakes up in a station*
I guess they did read me my rights 
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1127
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:24:00 -
[81] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.
Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.
Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.
Thank you. soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with? I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........
You don't have any rights. They destroy the ship you used to commit a crime and that is all. They are not even arresting you anyway. They just shoot your ship to **** and then just tell people to move along and there is nothing to see there.
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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:27:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks
Energon?
I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5579
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:50:00 -
[83] - Quote
Li Quiao wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks
Energon? I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...
I dont have a panther and a condor in my chest though lol "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3439
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 17:02:00 -
[84] - Quote
Not that everywhere has Miranda rights... Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
720
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 17:05:00 -
[85] - Quote
Kaaeliaa wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives. But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw. I agree completely. Molten salt thorium reactors are the best option. Also, yay my first troll thread. :D Please spare us the rest. 4/10 New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
535
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
OP is trolling correctly.
12/10  |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1128
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:12:00 -
[87] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Not that everywhere has Miranda rights...
You ahve the right to remain silent.
Whatever you say could be held against you in "crime and punishement".
You may board another ship x minutes from now. If you cannot afford another ship, Pend insurance will provide you one.
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Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1068
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 18:35:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jessica Duranin wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game.
Good ol' "Nuclear power is dangerous! It blows up and kills lots of people" fearmongering.
Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)
Coal GÇô global average 170,000 (50% global electricity)
Coal GÇô China 280,000 (75% ChinaGÇÖs electricity)
Coal GÇô U.S. 15,000 (44% U.S. electricity)
Oil 36,000 (36% of energy, 8% of electricity)
Natural Gas 4,000 (20% global electricity)
Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)
Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)
Wind 150 (~ 1% global electricity)
Hydro GÇô global average 1,400 (15% global electricity)
Nuclear GÇô global average 90 (17% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)
Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/
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Arronicus
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1068
|
Posted - 2014.06.20 18:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Not that everywhere has Miranda rights...
I too, think it's funny that people talk about space-miranda rights, when Miranda Rule is only in the United States, yet in EvE online, the United States does not have a noteworthy representation in any of the EvE races. Probably a very good bit of foresight considering the path the US is going down right now. |

Zero Sum Gain
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:41:00 -
[90] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with? I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........ You have the right to exist in a vacuum. Anything you say can and will expel any oxygen remaining in your lungs. You have the right to simultaneously boil and freeze to death. If you chose to forgo this right, tough *******, it's gonna happen. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?
You have the right to have a hard time hearing this in space. |

Adolf Kaundur
Harbingers of Chaos Inc The East India Co.
5
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Posted - 2014.06.20 18:55:00 -
[91] - Quote
Rovinia wrote:So you are concerned about Uranium ammunition getting a (even more) bad reputation?  Original: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with an extra toe on your forehead.Corrected: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with gulf war syndrome. May include but is not limited to: chronic fatigue/Headache, Memory problems, muscle pain, Diarrhea, Neurological problems, terminal tumors, respiratory problems, post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic multi-symptom illnesses, skin conditions and Arthritis.I like the original better, it's a bit less depressing.
Wait- I though GWS was caused consuming diet coke, and other artificially sweetened beverages affected by the extreme swings in temperature during it's transport and storage in the desert conditions...
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
566
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:32:00 -
[92] - Quote
I've always thought Depleted Uranium ammo should have a 25% resist penetration against armor ships.
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ArmyOfMe
Origin. Black Legion.
303
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Posted - 2014.06.20 20:03:00 -
[93] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Also, yay my first troll thread. :D Solid 9/10. Would read again. <3 Hah, just won 50mill cause of you. Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. ( like there was ever any doubt)
If anything, you have become even more of a forumwhore after becoming a dev  QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10511
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Posted - 2014.06.20 21:49:00 -
[94] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw. This man gets it. Would also accept he3 fusion. P-B11 fusion would be better. There's no terrestrial source of He-3, but there's plenty of B-11. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1865
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mythrandier wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw. This man gets it. Would also accept he3 fusion. P-B11 fusion would be better. There's no terrestrial source of He-3, but there's plenty of B-11. Thorium is better because.....y'know....it actually works in practice. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1925
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:04:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. I think Falcon would technically be a warlock, not a witch.
You might have lost you bet afterall. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5014
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Posted - 2014.06.21 05:35:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.
Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.
Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.
Thank you.
I know one of those guys who reads auras and stuff like that. He can put substances next to a person and see the effects. DU does some heinous stuff to your energy field. I would not wear anything made from it, that's for sure. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1899
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Posted - 2014.06.21 06:04:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with?
I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........
Space-Miranda rights are only required if you are going to be questioned by the spacepolice. Concord has never questioned me about my shenanigans!
YOu have the right to remain silent. Anything you think can and will be used against you. You have the right to a cyberchicken attorney. If you cannot afford a cyberchicken, a space partridge will be provided for you. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:08:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. I think Falcon would technically be a warlock, not a witch. You might have lost you bet afterall.
You should read more of Falcon's postings CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
491
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Posted - 2014.06.21 10:58:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks
Energon? I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...
What? I thought you knew this already?

Autotrolls, roll out!!
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3532
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:02:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:
Autotrolls, roll out!!
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Can I bring a Drake? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1362
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:24:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Did you use the word 'science' in inverted commas to indicate you think the science is making stuff up? Because, there are over two million articles here that suggest science has more than a 'very limited comprehension and understanding of the long term effects of radiation'.
science even thought it's good for you
nomm that radium chocolate
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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:19:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote: You should read more of Falcon's postings
Waiting for someone to say "Because of FALCON!" Leaving disappointed. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2567
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Posted - 2014.06.21 21:26:00 -
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New Module: Rapid Light Extra Toe Launcher (RLETL)
Make it happen CCP. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Also, yay my first troll thread. :D Solid 9/10. Would read again. <3 Hah, just won 50mill cause of you. Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. ( like there was ever any doubt) If anything, you have become even more of a forumwhore after becoming a dev 
I love you too 
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Analeesa
Inner Shadow That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:18:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Also, yay my first troll thread. :D Solid 9/10. Would read again. <3 Hah, just won 50mill cause of you. Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. ( like there was ever any doubt) If anything, you have become even more of a forumwhore after becoming a dev  I love you too 
Daawww someone upset Falcon. That's just terribly rude. Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |

Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben Die Konkurrenz
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Posted - 2014.06.22 07:47:00 -
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OP remembers me of this |
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