As much as I like the idea, it won't happen. EVE is a game based on training time and "time" is how CCP makes its money.

Actually to be fair he's paid for the training time for both characters, that's indisputable. The idea is interesting; it seems a bit bloody stupid but I can't exactly think why it's a bit bloody stupid.

good point.

Actually to be fair he's paid for the training time for both characters, that's indisputable. The idea is interesting; it seems a bit bloody stupid but I can't exactly think why it's a bit bloody stupid.

Sell both characters and buy one character that has both sets of skills.

Interesting point pay two plex.........

If I am merging the skill sets, taking the best from both (in my case it is just moving over the mining skills and drone skills for the most part) then there would only be one skill set training as I would only then have one character.

Worth discussing.....

If the suggestion was to pay plex to have 2 simultaneous skill queues on your character how would you feel about it? It's basically the same effect in the end.

The problem I have with buying characters is that you cant change the name. If that could be done, they would sell more IMO.

(Just include previous names in the history like employment)

This idea is basically buy plex to double or triple your training speed. As such, it's terrible.

I have the opposite problem.

I want to extract the miner and mining skills from myself.

Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry guys I am not as underhanded and sneaky as you all are or as you all expect this to be...........all I asked is since I have been paying for my alts training time if I could merge those skills over, nothing more, nothing less.

No it isn't because the core skills will be duplicated, making at least a third of one toons sp redundant and unless you're going burn those this turns into a stealth sp reallocation thread .

How about only being able to merge once, or once a year or something like that and it costs something like 3 PLEX?

Give me a moment, going through the locked threads...

K, just this week ... and its not long yet -¦-¦

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352131&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351653&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351548&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351385&find=unread

Should say enough, and stop with your sneak Skill buybackremovalcleansing.

Adding the one I copied this from:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353030&find=unread

And for those who can't see or won't read stickies or consider search functions:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread

Miscellaneous:

---> Skill buybackremovalcleansing .. each word is a link-¦-¦

Now seriously, cut it.

Edit: Not bumping , if you want to get rid of an alt, sell it, or sell both and buy another more fitting one. Otherwise, see above.

again,

no, this is a stealth pay for extra skills thread.. not going to happen.

Actually to be fair he's paid for the training time for both characters, that's indisputable. The idea is interesting; it seems a bit bloody stupid but I can't exactly think why it's a bit bloody stupid.

no, this is a stealth pay for extra skills thread.. not going to happen.

Anyone have a copy of that "No in every language ever" post handy?

Great idea!

A lot of people will be very sad and cry but you cannot make everyone happy.

We should also be allowed to PLEX for speed training because I get paid well at my job and buying PLEX is the best thing you can do in this game to save time.

The game already has enough pay to win aspects in it

We know !

Good you can afford to be lazy and all smug about it.

And you can already hit yourself until you are pretty again.







The game already has enough pay to win aspects in it, even if around a few corners, but that is not even the main issue here, which you seem to misunderstand.
This suggestion is nothing but recycling characters which already is a ban-able offense. The value of a character is not the total sum of his skill points alone. The avatar is the representation of the social aspect of a player, his reputation, the sum of all his social interactions, his political choices, his history merged with the history of EVE. You do not just purchase or accumulate skill points, you create, develop and/or trade an 'Entity'.

And on that note 'suggesting to make something accessible for everyone that is actually ban-able' this thread should actually be closed.

Basically my point is I have a job, and I pay your taxes, I don't have enough time to grind in EVE, which I love. I would rather just pay. Everything else in life is pay to win, hence you are a loser.

Except u dont grind SP in EVE. Thats why so many of us like the skill system. We can train while we're at work.

I envision this as putting the work on the player to some extent......the player pulls down a spreadsheet with three columns....columns one and three and your two soon to be merged characters the new one is in the center is the new character....the player pulls over from whatever side the skills he/she is merging.

just skills, money and stuff, no standings this would be the game cost that is paid, as this is a new (name etc...) character.

then you pay your money to ccp, they pull the two characters, merge them, place them where one of the original two were and you off and running.......but starting over standing wise with everyone..........

I have bought a few characters but they are usually named terribly or don't look like I want them to.

I think if I can pay ISK for a character I should be able to pay PLEX for my own to train more.

That added nothing to this thread.

To clarify I meant grinding as in waiting. I think if I can pay ISK for a character I should be able to pay PLEX for my own to train more.

Possible version for consideration, brainstorming a bit here:

Only one character left afterwards, the other does not survive.

The character with the longest existence determines which name is kept.
(With characters already being sold, name recognition having value becomes questionable at best)

Whichever character has the worst reputation, cherry-picked from each faction individually, that reputation is what is kept.

Worst security status between the two is the one that is kept.

All ISK, gear, and ships must be manually transferred first, anything under the name of the other character is lost.

All redundant skill points are considered lost.

I would say that shopping list might be worth debating, rather than one lacking clarity on these points.

Hey, great ideas, but there's just one thing I would add to improve upon all of that, and it's that how about we just throw this ****** idea in the rubbish bin where it belongs, because the problem isn't in the details - the core concept is fatally flawed, and this has a zero percent chance of ever happening.

I have posed this question to the powers that be and they said it was/is worth looking into and to place the question out on the forums.....so here it is....

r/

To which I point out:

Even a bad idea can inspire good ones, under the right conditions.

Hey, great ideas, but there's just one thing I would add to improve upon all of that, and it's that how about we just throw this ****** idea in the rubbish bin where it belongs, because the problem isn't in the details - the core concept is fatally flawed, and this has a zero percent chance of ever happening.

No one has addressd the duplicated sp.
what happens to it.
It's kinda important.

No one has addressd the duplicated sp.
what happens to it.
It's kinda important.

All redundant skill points are considered lost.

What is the flaw of the core concept?

...seriously?

The tradeoffs in skill training are an intentional part of the game design. Do I want to train A, or do I want to train B? I can't train them both at the same time. Is it worth the time to train both? If so, which order should I train them in?

Oh, fuckit. I'll just throw plex at the problem, train them both at the same time, and merge them later. It drastically reduces the ceiling on the time requirements to make a "do anything" character, so long as you're willing to throw money at. It's really no different than, "Pay a plex for a 2x training boost!"

The problem with the core concept is that it idiotically treats the inability to train more skills simultaneously as if it were some sort of bug or oversight, as opposed to an intentional limitation.

So the objection is that the utility offered by having multiple functions in a single character is reasonably distinct enough from having those same capabilities split between different characters to justify being treated differently in the aspect of having simultaneous skill queues.

Does that sound correct?

For the 2 character scenario the "I'll just throw plex at the problem" solution already exists, and does so with the benefit of being able to use the divergent skill sets simultaneously.

Please describe the two-character training scenario that currently exists that would allow a character to undock a functional dread in less time than can currently be done with single character training.

I'll wait.

Oh, hell, I'll help. There isn't one. So, tl;dr: This reduces training time. Training time doesn't need to be reduced, so this idea is ******* useless.

So the issue wasn't a "do anything" character, but a specialized one which split training time, and the actual issue you have, reducing training time. I can see why you'd have an issue with that. Not sure that can share that opinion since there is only so far up you can go with a single ship and it usually takes more than it's worth to get to the top, but I'm tempted to agree.

Anything that reduces the training time for a specialization is going to reduce it for a "do anything" as well, drastically so at the top end. Yes, you would lose a little to training redundancies, but when you consider the rank values at the top, it becomes readily apparent that it would cut out huge swaths of time. There's no need for that, and nobody has succeeded in making an argument that it should be faster, let alone that much faster.

No SP transfers ever.

The fact that I could with this system, train 2 chars with different skills. Then merge them and effectively double the SP training speed, makes this idea a very bad one. Which makes it all the more amazing, that it's being kept alive.

You're effectively arguing that having a single pilot that is the culmination of two seperate training specializations is superior to having two seperate pilots. That is, you're arguing that it's inherently superior to take a booster and a marauder pilot, merge them and then have a single pilot that can do both, but not at the same time. Do you not realize the inherent disadvantage of such a merger?

If such a function did exist, very few people would use it.

You're effectively arguing that having a single pilot that is the culmination of two seperate training specializations is superior to having two seperate pilots. That is, you're arguing that it's inherently superior to take a booster and a marauder pilot, merge them and then have a single pilot that can do both, but not at the same time. Do you not realize the inherent disadvantage of such a merger?

If such a function did exist, very few people would use it.

Why not pay to win? When has EVE been "fair"?

The majority of people talking about how tough the EVE crown is and how the game "takes your cookie," or put something stupid like comparing it to animals in the wild in their signature should consider competing with people that have jobs to fund their fun time. I bought a nice boat last year, and it was nicer than some but another guy out there on the water blew me AWAY. It's because he is winning at life more than me currently. Maybe in a few years I can compete with him. Until then I cannot. EVE is the same way. People who want it to be "hardcore" only want it that way to support themselves. They don't want a real challenge that they may lose to.

It's like people complaining about not being able to gank more easily in high sec and how it should be nerfed. Having no L4 missions in high sec etc...They simply want people to come to them on THEIR terms. That's what I want too. Allow character merging and I will spend the money to be able to compete with people better.

But as you are in denial and think very few would use it, then we don't really need it.

Oh my, you're quite the special snowflake aren't you?

I'm arguing that it's a terrible idea because X.

You're arguing it's a terrible idea because Y.

Yet I'm in denial and you aren't.

Just when I think we have an intelligent community, people like you come along and give me some doubts.

You want more SP? Then go the to the character bazaar and buy one.

Boosting SP gain by bypassing normal game mechanics, is a bad idea.
And no before you say it, buying a character isn't bypassing normal game mechanics. That character already exists on the server. It has had time and ISK spent in it's development, it comes with a history, a name and whatever skills the person training it chose. All consequences that should be a part of any character purchase, but ones that you can mitigate up to a point.

So rather than being P2W, buying a char is more like PaySomeoneElseForTheirTime. Unlike char merging.

Oh and resorting to Ad Homs, doesn't make your argument any stronger. Rather the opposite tbh.

There is no "Ad Hom" you nerd. Please learn what something is before you try to use it in a sentence.

Also-Your entire argument supports the OPs desire. So thanks for the support