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ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.18 21:20:00 - [1] Ok, so i made a really long post about this, complete with amusing story and all but the forums swallowed it so here I go again. Currently, T2 crystals, especially the large aurora, cost too much in relation to the other ammo. however that is not what 'm annoyed about. The fact is that crystals have a longer life expectancy than the ships themselves and subsequently they are lost with the ships a lot. With other ammo, all you have to do for a fleet battle, for example, is buy a few rounds; not very expensive. For the crystals you have to shell out for a full set which is never going to run out unless you go npcing or something with them. Most likely you will be blown up with these expensive crystals. I am proposing a change in their manufacture: Increase the batch size produced on T2 crystals and decrease the number of shots per crystal by the same factor. Thoughts? (Note that this is not a thread discussing the bonuses/effectiveness of the crystals themselves, only their annoyingly long life expectancy) BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.18 21:55:00 - [2] Sure, sounds like a good idea. Cargo hold space would still be fine? I don't use crystals, I don't know
Exogene	Posted - 2006.06.18 21:58:00 - [3] How about not loosing your BS so much
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.06.18 22:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Exogene How about not loosing your BS so much thats not the problem, noobs loosing theirs is! ie noob guys t2 kitted bs with t2 ammo, noob dies with crystals and 5 out of 7/8 are destroyed, which is the equiv of roughly 5k shots noob guys non amarr ship and t2 ammo, noob dies, with 1k ammo at most! that is why crystals are so much more expensive than t2 ammo! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.06.18 22:05:00 - [5] Problem with that is that the market price would prob stay the same and nothing would get changed. Less shots but the same price. Still, completely agree. === God is on the side with the best arti
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.18 22:07:00 - [6] Edited by: ParMizaN on 18/06/2006 22:10:08 Originally by: Kyguard Problem with that is that the market price would prob stay the same and nothing would get changed. Less shots but the same price. Still, completely agree. As i said, I wasnt complaning about the price, merely that for a fleet fight you MUST carry a full set, which is expensive, rather than only carry a little, as a fleet fight is very russian roulette-ish with lag and dying. Also, I don't lose my BS much. In fact, I rarely ever lose it Originally by: Tiuwaz you should know better than to fit anything else than basic stuff on your BS's PRIMARY parmizan, PRIMARY parmizan, GET THAT CHEESE! I'm always primary I think you may be partly right. edit: added second quote and fixed some spelling errors :) BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.18 22:07:00 - [7] you should know better than to fit anything else than basic stuff on your BS's PRIMARY parmizan, PRIMARY parmizan, GET THAT CHEESE! Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.19 22:35:00 - [8] I love how only the threads where people complain about the OP are bumped BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.19 22:45:00 - [9] Yeah i agree with the idea , buying an 8 pack to fit my apoc realy hurts so increasign the batch size should how ever reduce the cost although i am quite sceptical about it coz that might just make the T2 producers just maintain the same price and get a boost in their production but thats looking at the bad side of it "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.19 23:19:00 - [10] Agreed. Cut shots per crystal to 250, cut crystal size to 0.25m3, and 4x the production amount. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Stamm	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:24:00 - [11] Originally by: ParMizaN I love how only the threads where people complain about the OP are bumped
DeltaH	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:30:00 - [12] I wanted to make a post like this but figured it would turn into T2 ammo rant or amarr rant. It is more of "I'm a cheap*** and don't like having 40M ISK in ammo get blown up constantly" rant. Easy change! No losers!
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Valea Silpha on 20/06/2006 00:39:43 Strangely enough for these boards this is a really reasonable suggestion. If your gunna be sniping fo rany length of time you'll need to cary 40mil in crystals still, but in fleets you don't loose it all if you go kablam. Great idea. Edit Added bonus being that even if you get popped theres a greater chance you'll drop 7 or 8 crystals which your mates or whoever poppep you will probably apreciate a lot more than 2 or 3. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.06.20 00:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Agreed. Cut shots per crystal to 250, cut crystal size to 0.25m3, and 4x the production amount. Yes. Please yes. Pretty please with sugar on it. Spending as much (or more) on ammo for my ship than I do on a full rack of T2 makes me sad. Even more sad when I jump in, lag out, and die before loading. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.21 07:49:00 - [15] \o/ No opposition? BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.06.21 09:34:00 - [16] Originally by: ParMizaN \o/ No opposition? Yes, leave the rest alone just make them cheaper
Awox	Posted - 2006.06.21 10:01:00 - [17] They ought to have a down-side for not having to be reloaded. :P
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2006.06.21 10:40:00 - [18] Leave batch size alone and give them a longer life instead It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.06.21 10:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Awox They ought to have a down-side for not having to be reloaded. :P With the horrible fall of you find yourself changing crystals quite often tbh. Amarr needs love from the devs damnit!.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2006.06.21 12:04:00 - [20] Originally by: ParMizaN Ok, so i made a really long post about this, complete with amusing story and all but the forums swallowed it so here I go again. Currently, T2 crystals, especially the large aurora, cost too much in relation to the other ammo. however that is not what 'm annoyed about. The fact is that crystals have a longer life expectancy than the ships themselves and subsequently they are lost with the ships a lot. With other ammo, all you have to do for a fleet battle, for example, is buy a few rounds; not very expensive. For the crystals you have to shell out for a full set which is never going to run out unless you go npcing or something with them. Most likely you will be blown up with these expensive crystals. I am proposing a change in their manufacture: Increase the batch size produced on T2 crystals and decrease the number of shots per crystal by the same factor. Thoughts? (Note that this is not a thread discussing the bonuses/effectiveness of the crystals themselves, only their annoyingly long life expectancy) Signed. In fact, I made a thread about that a month ago. ------------------------------------------ Don't make War, War is messy. Make love instead, so your kids will do the War part for you.
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.06.21 12:08:00 - [21] agreed 100%
voidvim	Posted - 2006.06.21 14:29:00 - [22] this is not a bad idea and balance out so /signed
Praenor	Posted - 2006.06.21 22:09:00 - [23] Signed, in triplicate.

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