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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:07:00 -
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This is not the first time this has happened but now I am really starting to wonder.
Last night we had a battle involving at most 20 - 25 ships.
As I undocked from the station the slideshow begun. Frame rate drops to about ONE frame every THIRD second. This is just crazy!
Is it really supposed to be this way? I mean if this happens to everyone it is a MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THE GAME. People loose hard won ships and equipment to this kinda problems.
What good are your guns if you can not lock a target before you are into hull damage?
What good is your tank or EW equipment if you can not lock a target before you are into hull damage?
What good is a fast interceptor if you can not even start moving before you find yourself in a god damn pod. (if you are lucky, usually the lag is so huge that you never even get to see the pod but weakes up in the medical facilety before you even understood what happened.)
Strange thing is I can not imagine this situation applies to all players. Because it seemes like most of the ither ppl in my alliance and on the other side can fight pretty normal.
And - if this was standard performance ppl would go crazy and whine al love rthe forums (like I am doing now)
So that is why I am thinking "I must be doing soemthing very very wrong."
For those few but oh so divine helpful souls out there I am going to post my computer specs and I hope someone can toss me a torch to spread some guiding light over thsi matter - because as it is now I can note ngage in bigger fithts tan 3 vs 3 without having my frame rate drop to virtually NIL.
P4 1.3 Ghz
1024 Mb RAM
290 MB harddrive
ATI Radeaon Sapphire X800 PRo 256MB
100Mb Broadband connection
and beforre you ask;
YES - I have all effectes turned off
YES - I have all turret effects turned off
and - I run EvE in windowed mode - does thsi slow me down?
OMG I am about to burst into tears already 
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Otakhar LesGaZ
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:09:00 -
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What is slowing you down is...sound.
Try it out. =)
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:14:00 -
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Typoo on the processor spec? 
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Otakhar LesGaZ
What is slowing you down is...sound.
Try it out. =)
You mean I have to play with sound all muted? aww - that sux
But still better than thsi crap. Will try it...thnx
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Groes Thir
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:20:00 -
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I think your processor is the bottleneck in this case.
And 290 MB hd  ?
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Groes Thir
I think your processor is the bottleneck in this case.
And 290 MB hd ?
LOL sorry - 290 GB
and Processor si prolly 1.2Ghz 
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Otakhar LesGaZ
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Otakhar LesGaZ
What is slowing you down is...sound.
Try it out. =)
You mean I have to play with sound all muted? aww - that sux
But still better than thsi crap. Will try it...thnx
Yep uncool, i likes sounds in game...but for fleet battle, tried without and ..hoo much better =)
hope it will help.
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:22:00 -
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Please read this post.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=110129
It's a guide to boost your FPS. It can also be found as a sitky in the "Known erros & workarounds" forum.
Good luck
ps. Zoom your camera all the way out when going into battle and trust your overview.
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Kazhoth
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:22:00 -
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I would say that with your broadband speed your PC is not up to the amount of info your are trying to send with only a 1.3 machine. that i would say is not helping your cause...
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:24:00 -
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EVE is very cpu dependant, so in your caese the videocard is fine but you could do with a processor upgrade.
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sirial Soulfly
EVE is very cpu dependant, so in your caese the videocard is fine but you could do with a processor upgrade.
ok - thank you all for the helpful replies.
I think that having to upgrade my CPU means I need a new motherboard too - so IOW pretty much a new computer :p
this really makes me feel all heavy and sad - but also makes me get a bit motivated at my work!
Maybe it is time to stop hanging around in forums at work and start making soem $$$ so I can upgrade my EvEmachine.... I mean computer
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:34:00 -
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please read my topic above. you should be able to play eve pretty well on that pc.
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Victor Valka
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:40:00 -
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This is something that worked for me:
-In prefs.ini file add a line "advancedDevice=1" without the brackets.
-Launch the game.
-Under "Graphics" tab in the game menu find and set the following: "Interval immediate" , "Enable multisampling" and set it to "2".
Interval immediate == no v-sync and enable multisampling with value "2" == AAx2.
I know that turning on AA should decrease the performance, but, eh, it actually increases it for me from 40FPS to ~60FPS.
Disabling sound didn't do much for me, I simply disabled the annoying part of it - voice. 
Don't mean you shouldn't try that, tho. It seems to help other folks.
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Jesus
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:07:00 -
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also you undocked into a battle which increases your lag as you have to load all the ships and what setups they have fitted and everything in they cargo and all the dmg they are doing and taking.
They only have to load 1 new ship you hvae to load 30 new ships on to your overview.
This is the reason some alliances will not undock into a fleet
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kazhoth
I would say that with your broadband speed your PC is not up to the amount of info your are trying to send with only a 1.3 machine. that i would say is not helping your cause...
A single EVE client uses very little bandwidth. I usually see 1-5k/sec with occasional peaks of 6-9k/sec. Even in large fleet battles it's never gone above 10k/sec according to my logs. Simply having a fast internet connection doesn't make EVE try and send more data.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:21:00 -
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1.2GHZ PC just wont cut it - ive played eve on quite a few different machines for those scale fleet battles ie 20-25 ships upgrade to 2.5 GHZ at least with more memory (also enable 2-3G) of virtual memory that helps but yes youre CPU is the biggie.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:14:00 -
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Go to full screen.
That will double your framerate.
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Rexen
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:28:00 -
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Regarding the disable sound thing:
Can i normally play with sound enabled, and when a battle comes just press ESC and disable sound, or do i have to disable sound before i even start the game for it to work right? (if so; how/when?)
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:30:00 -
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like they said upgrade your cpu mine rund fine on a pentium D so im ok
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Lesican
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rexen
Regarding the disable sound thing:
Can i normally play with sound enabled, and when a battle comes just press ESC and disable sound, or do i have to disable sound before i even start the game for it to work right? (if so; how/when?)
ctrl+alt+shift=f12 iirc
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Rexen
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lesican
Originally by: Rexen
Regarding the disable sound thing:
Can i normally play with sound enabled, and when a battle comes just press ESC and disable sound, or do i have to disable sound before i even start the game for it to work right? (if so; how/when?)
ctrl+alt+shift=f12 iirc
Isn't that the same as disabling sound through the esc-menu?
Anyway; I can do this any time while playing, and the performance will instantly improve in straining situations?
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:51:00 -
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Feel your pain it is the one thing CCP should get to work on lag in fleet battles is totally a pain.
I have had times when I warp in nothing showing on overviwe nothing showing in space TS is target calling and 10 min later I am siting in a station no logs showing anything that really bothers me and I tend to shy away from big battles no fun not being able to do anything
Intelperl MB 800mhz bus HT
2.6ghz
1.5g mem
ati9800 aiw pro 128meg ram
HD SATA raid 0 240 gigs
Fleet lag still needs work for sure
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 19/06/2006 08:24:18
This is not the first time this has happened but now I am really starting to wonder.
Last night we had a battle involving at most 20 - 25 ships.
As I undocked from the station the slideshow begun. Frame rate drops to about ONE frame every THIRD second. This is just crazy!
Is it really supposed to be this way? I mean if this happens to everyone it is a MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THE GAME. People loose hard won ships and equipment to this kinda problems.
What good are your guns if you can not lock a target before you are into hull damage?
What good is your tank or EW equipment if you can not lock a target before you are into hull damage?
What good is a fast interceptor if you can not even start moving before you find yourself in a god damn pod. (if you are lucky, usually the lag is so huge that you never even get to see the pod but wakes up in the medical facilety before you even understood what happened.)
Strange thing is I can not imagine this situation applies to all players. Because it seemes like most of the other ppl in my alliance and on the other side can fight pretty normal.
And - if this was standard performance ppl would go crazy and whine all over the forums (like I am doing now)
So that is why I am thinking "I must be doing soemthing very very wrong."
For those few but oh so divine helpful souls out there I am going to post my computer specs and I hope someone can toss me a torch to spread some guiding light over this matter - because as it is now I can not engage in bigger fights than 3 vs 3 without having my frame rate drop to virtually NIL.
P4 1.2 Ghz
1024 Mb RAM
290 GBMB harddrive
ATI Radeaon Sapphire X800 PRo 256MB
100Mb Broadband connection
and before you ask;
YES - I have all effectes turned off
YES - I have all turret effects turned off
and - I run EvE in windowed mode - does thsi slow me down?
OMG I am about to burst into tears already
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Lesican
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rexen
Originally by: Lesican
Originally by: Rexen
Regarding the disable sound thing:
Can i normally play with sound enabled, and when a battle comes just press ESC and disable sound, or do i have to disable sound before i even start the game for it to work right? (if so; how/when?)
ctrl+alt+shift=f12 iirc
Isn't that the same as disabling sound through the esc-menu?
Anyway; I can do this any time while playing, and the performance will instantly improve in straining situations?
Yeah, same effect as esc menu, but quicker to activate in pvp. I used to find it made a huge difference back on my old 1.6p4 laptop. Nowdays though i use shiny posh t2 comp parts and can fight and have cartoons running in windows next to chat :)
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:58:00 -
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In addition to sound, check that "Use LOD" is enabled in Options.
Related question: How many people were in local at the same time? What system?
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Kazhoth
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Posted - 2006.06.19 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Kazhoth
I would say that with your broadband speed your PC is not up to the amount of info your are trying to send with only a 1.3 machine. that i would say is not helping your cause...
A single EVE client uses very little bandwidth. I usually see 1-5k/sec with occasional peaks of 6-9k/sec. Even in large fleet battles it's never gone above 10k/sec according to my logs. Simply having a fast internet connection doesn't make EVE try and send more data.
Ok so i guess a 1.2 machine is fine.. i was wrong and you have no problems at all.. it's all in your mind.. i was just trying to get across the point that a 1.2 machine is not up to running eve on and trying to get into a player infested system...
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:03:00 -
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i havent had sound in over a year lol.
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Groes Thir
I think your processor is the bottleneck in this case.
And 290 MB hd ?
LOL sorry - 290 GB
and Processor si prolly 1.2Ghz
Then its a Pentium 3 and not a P4. The lowest clocked Williamette was 1.3ghz, and was introduced 6 years ago...
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Durham Elysion
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Durham Elysion on 19/06/2006 18:15:25
Edited by: Durham Elysion on 19/06/2006 18:14:37
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Groes Thir
I think your processor is the bottleneck in this case.
And 290 MB hd ?
LOL sorry - 290 GB
and Processor si prolly 1.2Ghz
Then its a Pentium 3 and not a P4. The lowest clocked Williamette was 1.3ghz, and was introduced 6 years ago...
The Willamette arrived on November 20, 2000. Starting at 1.4ghz.
edit; You were right, ofcourse it was possible to buy a 1.3ghz willamette, but it came In jan. 2001
Now to the real point of this post; The is a HUGE difference between network lag which might be caused by heavily loaded clusters and YOUR computer, which, at 1.2ghz may not be able to cope with all the sounds, animations, physical calculations et cetera.
You cannot blame low framerates on CCP as they do not depend on network latencies.
And whereas EVE only consumes 1-10kilobytes of data per second; the data might come with a 2 second delay, right? My 256kbit connection on lets say iceland is more likely yo perform better than some 1000mbitwtf connection in australia.
And yes, try disabling sound, especially if you have some crappy integrated ac'97 soundchip on your motherboard.
Jesus. This rant has to before stop i start making no at sense all.
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Jason Marshall
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Posted - 2006.06.19 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
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thers your problem ;)
integrated graphix 4tw
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