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Doreen Kaundur 597	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:35:00 - [1] - Quote In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it? Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time. I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. 1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.
admiral root Red Galaxy 1318	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:40:00 - [2] - Quote For some time now I've suspected that the OP is Tom Gerard. This thread makes me certain of it. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5641	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:41:00 - [3] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Doreen Kaundur 597	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:43:00 - [4] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no Wow.....one whole mining ship. 1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19176	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:47:00 - [5] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it? Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. Every other ship has to sacrifice something to be able to do something else, why should mining ships be any different? Quote: in the world of predator vs prey, ~~EVE~~ nature favors the predator every time. FTFY Quote: I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Nope it'll never be implemented because it's a shite idea Quote: Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Skiffs and Procurers, together they make up nearly 30% of the mining barges and exhumers currently available. Quote: Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. There's these things called drones, they fit in the drone bay every mining vessel is equipped with, they shoot at stuff. Nil mortifi sine lucre
KnowUsByTheDead Sunlight...Through The Blight. 1878	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:47:00 - [6] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no Wow.....one whole mining ship. Two. Forgot the Skiff... Which also... Has this nifty bonus to... Drones, which is... A weapon system. Tank, weapon system, and still able to mine. Hmmmmm....... Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2407	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:48:00 - [7] - Quote Did you miss the buff the the procurer hull? 50% drone damage and HP. Also for everything the trade off is tank vs gank, if your case gank is mining yield. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353416&find=unread[/url]
Doreen Kaundur 597	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:49:00 - [8] - Quote Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? 1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.
Mag's the united 17549	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:49:00 - [9] - Quote CCP should give miners choices. Oh wait.... Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19176	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:50:00 - [10] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? I mine, in a Procurer. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5642	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:51:00 - [11] - Quote In that case I demand mining bonuses on all non mining ships and an ore hold Oh and the Proc hull's tanking and drone bonuses while we are at it "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2407	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 - [12] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? 6 million sp in resource processing, and I have a lovely skiff that I mine ice and ore in. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353416&find=unread[/url]
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5642	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? You arent suggesting mining buffs, you are suggesting combat buffs "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 310	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:54:00 - [14] - Quote You want maximum yield with maximum survivability? Sure. I want maximum tank with maximum DPS and maneuverability. When I get mine, you get yours. Who told you that you could stop nibbling veld long enough to post anyways? Get back out in that belt and feed the hungry children in Jita. Seriously though, every time a miner cries on the forums 10 suicide gankers are born and another 10 players stop caring and grab the popcorn. Kronos was a good update for mining barges getting some love and unique playstyle changes, and now people are out in low sec killing faction cruisers with Procurers and Skiffs. I guess you won't be satisfied until you can gank a pirate BS in high sec without getting CONCORDE'd. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
KnowUsByTheDead Sunlight...Through The Blight. 1878	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:55:00 - [15] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? I mine, in a Procurer. And I have an entire corp of dedicated miner/PI/production characters who mine in.... Wait for it... Skiffs. Whoa. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 3934	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:56:00 - [16] - Quote The only reliable tank for a non-combatant is being somewhere else. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Iain Cariaba In Over Our Heads 73	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:04:00 - [17] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it? Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time. I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Oh gods, here we go again with the nerf ganking threads. 1. You have to choose, mining yield or tank, you don't get both. In battle, wether pvp or pve, you have to choose between tank or dps, so why should miners have it easy? 2. Everywhere predator has the advantage over prey, why should EvE be any different. 3. WTZ is already implemented, has been for years, you just don't get it when you're not paying attention. Advantage goes to those who actively play the game, not to bots. Again, this is by design. 4. If you put tank on your mining barge and you put combat drones in the drone bay, most gsnkers will leave you alone. This and the Skiff is already tanked heavier than a DST. 5. It's a mining barge, so just no. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1920	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:05:00 - [18] - Quote Dear CCP. I'm greedy and lazy, please protect me. Rampant inflation is good. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 826	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:06:00 - [19] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? Why is it we make assumptions that anyone who disagrees with me has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, regardless of their reasoning or argument? Also: predator always has advantage. Once they lose advantage and the tables turn, they become prey. And if they never had the advantage to begin with, they are very dumb prey who think themselves predators. end philosophy lesson
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra 32	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19183	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:11:00 - [21] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Conversely I mine, the more people who explode while mining through being AFK, the better for those of us that don't because we actually play the game. I can point out at least 2 PvPers in this thread that also mine with their alts, ergo your point is moot. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5303	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:12:00 - [22] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no Wow.....one whole mining ship. Or a Skiff, or a Mackinaw, or a Retriever. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12103	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:14:00 - [23] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? Why is it that non-miners are better at fitting mining barges than miners? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5303	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:14:00 - [24] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? Why is it that those most in favour of more mining buffs are the ones too lazy to utilise previous buffs to mining? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5649	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals Why do you want to crash the market? Dont you realise that if you avoided losing your ship you'd be able to mine more? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Mag's the united 17549	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 - [26] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Did you manage to post that and keep a straight face? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 312	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:19:00 - [27] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships No complaints here. The barges and income lost by inattentive players has virtually no impact on market prices, because there are many more out there that do pay attention and keep their profit margin intact. The ships I frequently use, with the exception of some pirate faction ships which saw an increase in popularity with the rebalance, have been declining in cost since I've started playing. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5654	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:20:00 - [28] - Quote Mag's wrote: Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Did you manage to post that and keep a straight face? He's just sore because the USS Lexington couldnt even take a bot when it the Excalibur the Hood and the Yorktown blobbed the Enterprise when it was operating the under the M5 computer "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1937	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:21:00 - [29] - Quote This thread is a perfect example to demonstrate that everytime carebears receive a buff, instead of making use of the tools available to them to overcome pvp situations, they just come whinging in the forum for more buffs for themselves and more nerfs to others. I don't mine. I don't gank. I don't support this idea. Go use what's already available to you and stop QQing in the forum. We are all going to drown soon. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 312	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:25:00 - [30] - Quote This thread got me curious so I decided to check out the killboards. I am now incredibly amused. It seems CODE has been losing a crapload of Catalysts to properly tanked Skiffs without getting any satisfaction since the patch, I suggest everyone observe this moment in Eve history for posterity. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19187	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:26:00 - [31] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Go use what's already available to you and stop QQing in the forum. We are all going to drown soon. WTS inflatable rafts and life jackets, if you want RMS Titanic written on them, that'll be extra, Sharpies cost money. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Smugest Sniper Shinigami Miners Spaceship Samurai 12	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:31:00 - [32] - Quote I have already ** on this same exact topic in the mining barge thread, stop posting the same ** over again.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1937	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:34:00 - [33] - Quote Smugest Sniper wrote: ... stop posting the same **** over again. It's Doreen. It's what he does. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Grunnax Aurelius The Horny Heron's Horny Empire 286	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:36:00 - [34] - Quote TANK FITTED BARGES ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGH YIELD FIT YA KNOW!!! HIGH YEILD FITS ARE ACTUALLY 0 YIELD FITS..... CAUSE YA GET GANKED!!! now to you understand? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342042&find=unread
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 313	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:40:00 - [35] - Quote Still looking at the killboards and it seems only about 1 in 15 Procurers are being destroyed in high sec, and 7 out of 8 of those are between warring corps. It also seems to take about 80m isk in Catalysts to suicide gank a 30m Procurer. I think I'm going to go fit one out and hit the belts, see if I can't bait CODE into thinking I'm AFK. This seems like some virtually risk free PvP. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19191	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:48:00 - [36] - Quote ^^ Doing it right. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Kaerakh Surprisingly Deep Hole 328	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:49:00 - [37] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it? Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time. I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO. Mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. My thoughts abbreviated for the OP. There are multitudes of options; both from the mechanics of the game and through social interaction to achieve your goals. if you're not capable of using them that's not the game's fault. That's your own mistaken assumptions and inaction at play. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7374	Posted - 2014.06.21 23:52:00 - [38] - Quote So, EVE favors those who take initiative? No ****? Oh, and by the way. If you play a game and decide to cast yourself in the role of a prey animal, you shouldn't be surprised if the people who cast themselves as predator animals try to eat you. In fact, since you made an active choice to be a prey animal, you should be behaving with this in mind, instead of falling asleep next to the watering hole. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 728	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:03:00 - [39] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships uh, I haven't heard a single complaint about increase in pvp ship costs. Doreen Kaundur 10/10, Its been a long time since I've seen so many people fall for such an obvious troll attempt. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1921	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:07:00 - [40] - Quote Grunnax Aurelius wrote: TANK FITTED BARGES ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGH YIELD FIT YA KNOW!!! HIGH YEILD FITS ARE ACTUALLY 0 YIELD FITS..... CAUSE YA GET GANKED!!! now to you understand? Dont let the secret out. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 136	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:13:00 - [41] - Quote The thread is redundant (I could post a rule excerpt, but I am not ... ... ah, what the helI, got the page still open... 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.),... ... because the OP is clearly guilty of neglect of informing himself, as well as properly considering the consequences of his assumptions and suggestions and is unaware of his negligence towards current balancing, principle game mechanics and exploits. Furthermore is it nothing but a sneak attempt to hit the pointless discussion about miner-ganking, ganking in principle, 'make high-sec secure', 'want all the benefits without sacrificing anything' and so on from another side. This in itself violates the rule against reposting locked or redundant threads as well as posting existing threads anew. 1.) Defenses of mining ships have been buffed 2.) Mining ships have been further balanced for different roles making them more effective 3.) Mining ships even got enhanced weapon systems (as an example, Rattlesnake lost the +10%/level bonus, Procurer and Skiff got one instead making them more powerful in this regard as a faction battleship) 4.) Mining ships already made decent PvP ships before the buffs and are even better now, while not even sacrificing the high slots for yield ... 5.- 100.) ... to tired to write them, look em up. Or someone else add at their leisure... Oh yeah, and I am a full fledged miner ... stop speaking for me or against non-miner which seemingly know more about it then you. And if you just want to incite the 'anti gank' hatred, you are at the wrong place. - And so you can sleep sheltered and all warm tonight, if I get killed in my miner it was only, because the others brought the numbers and not due to a failure of mine or the systems and there is now way nor should there be one, to offer protection from that. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 316	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:17:00 - [42] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Doreen Kaundur 10/10, Its been a long time since I've seen so many people fall for such an obvious troll attempt. You sly devil... Back to General Discussion with you... Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19193	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:30:00 - [43] - Quote When CCP employees start to hold your hand, it's to steal your watch, especially CCP Guard, he's shifty like that. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Rayzilla Zaraki Tandokuno 231	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:44:00 - [44] - Quote Risk v Reward Fly a Mackinaw or Hulk which are kinda "squishy" and you risk a ganking, but greater ore hold or yield. If you're worried about bad guys, create a butt kicker alt to guard you. Fly a Skiff (as I do now) and lower your gankability but also reduce yield/capacity vs the previous two. I don't see an issue. /thread Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Inshallah Eichman Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.22 08:36:00 - [45] - Quote AFK is the only kind of mining worth doing. Buffing miners too much though will flood the market with bots even more than it already is. You should be happy you can AFK mine 99% of the time and never be bothered unless you are doing something really really strange. Losing a ship every now and then to some kid angry at you for existing isn't a huge deal. In fact, you should by that time be able to replace it very easily if you AFKd enough. I will never watch the screen and mine or fly 20 jumps through high sec without autopilot on. Unless I am carrying a couple hundred million in cargo perhaps. You should do the same and you will be fine. Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job.
Dally Lama Republic University Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2014.06.22 11:33:00 - [46] - Quote Sorry, there's no reason to be ganked anymore. Bring a Procurer. If you have a few of them, bring a friend in a Scorpion. If you have 2 friends, bring them in RR Rohk. New Fitting Window \| Distances above 10km \| Maximums for buy orders
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 447	Posted - 2014.06.22 11:37:00 - [47] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships I don't. No mining ship should have both crazy tank and crazy yield. Suck it up, RISK VERSUS REWARD, EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1709	Posted - 2014.06.22 12:42:00 - [48] - Quote Doreen Kaundur wrote: Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? Im a miner. ur just not a very good one. Ncc 1709 wrote: those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships. yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Or we can not buff mining so that miners who arent idiots make more money than those that are idiots. \o/ EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1710	Posted - 2014.06.22 12:52:00 - [49] - Quote Inshallah Eichman wrote: Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job. where u from? just so i can avoid these cannibalistic, cuckolding, mutant people. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Mole Guy Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion 430	Posted - 2014.06.22 15:00:00 - [50] - Quote there have been HUGE changes in mining lately. the procurer and skiff are beasts. i have a great pro/skiff setup that STILL cuts a lot of rock or ice, but has 50k tank and runs burner for speed tanking. all cap stable. i was attacked this morning twice. once by an inty who couldnt scratch my shields and when the drones got ti him, he ran like a beotch. the 2nd was by a thrasher. point, web..hitting pretty descent, but once the drone hit the field, he was GONE. they couldnt scratch my shields. the inty i fought while tanking a tripple bs spawn. step away form the hulk, leave the mack sit unless you have designated security and an intel channel. this fit will get you close to 70% resistance across the board and 11500 tank or so. completely cap stable. turn on hardners and repper when undocking and forget about it. skiff 1 thermal rig 1 either ice or mercoxit) rig 2 mining laser II's (or ice) 1 RCU II 1 10mn experimental burner 1 scanner II 1 adaptive invul II 1 passive EM ward II 1 small shield rep II ice /deep core/ modulated stripper II drones 5 lights for anti-frig/dessy 1 gecko or your choice of 5 medium or 2 heavies or entries. if you have 2 miners, have them mine 40k apart and drop 2 garde II's. assign them to defend the other person. sentries hit hard and will take a chunk out of a dessy who tries to gank u. there was a kill mail rolling around where a carrier hot dropped several procurers. like 8 of them. THEY KILLED THE CARRIER WITH HAMMER HEADS. the carrier got 1, but the others got the carrier. enter the field, orbit the material at range to keep speed up. drop drones. its cap stable, quick, smaller sig radius, and a freak on roids when it comes to tanking. procurers and skiffs can really do damage n packs. i dont even engage the rats unless they neut me. i speed tank and dont get below 90% shield. for the procurer use this: micro k-exhaust mining laser II experimental 10mn burner small shield booster II em ward field II hardener adaptive nano II modulated stripper II thermal rig kinetic rig core defense shield extender. drones. do you want you cake or do you wanna eat it? you make more money with the hulk, and thats great for buying new hulks. you make less with the skiff, but youll only buy 1..

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