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DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 481	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:01:00 - [1] - Quote At risk of starting a post in this way - I have a question for everyone and would love to see how my fellow players feel about this. So, you guys remember Erotica 1, right? Relax. The reason that I mention E1 is simply to remind us all that due to the actions that E1 decided to take while gaming and meta gaming EVE online - a very large and very public outcry was started up due to his content in his "bonus rooms". There were strong opinions on both sides, one of the most epic threadnauts ever to exist in GD was created, and the end result (at least this is the word on the street, it's not like we as players can actually verify this) is that E1 was banned from EVE online. Pretty much everyone knows about this, and PLEASE do not think I am trying to discuss or debate anything related to the E1 event. I simply brought it up as valid context of the behavior that I have witnessed by two EVE players over the last few days. So, I have had the amazing good fortune of witnessing a player, in open local chat - go on endlessly about how happy he is that the eve player 'Vile Rat' was violently killed by terrorists. This player then went further and added comments such as "He got what he deserved" and "one less tard in EVE". Shortly after that, a EVE blogger welcomed this player to his corporation and made a public blog post about how happy is to have a player like this as part of his corporation, and that he does not care about this players comments as long as it results in him "getting more press." I'm actually at a loss for words, and this from a guy who posts some pretty impressive walls of text. My questions to you, EVE players - 1) Is this kind of behavior at least as deplorable as the behavior that E1 engaged in and should it result in removed from the game? 2) Is openly celebrating the murder of another EVE player the type of thing that we as a community feel should result in the removal of this player from the community? 3) How about the CEO in question, the one who openly admitted that he was fully aware of all of this and did not care as long as it resulted in his blog being read more often? Is this type of behavior less, more, or roughly on the same level as the type of behavior that resulted in the removal of E1 from the community? I'll go first and answer my own questions. 1) Yes, and I find it far far worse on so many levels. Conning people and stealing their stuff in Eve online is part of the game. Conning them into making a fool out of themselves on teamspeak for a few hours for the laughter of others is seen by many players as VERY wrong - but I personally find that openly celebrating the RL murder of another Eve player to leave anything that E1 ever cooked up in terms of offensive in the dust. This player should be removed from EVE at once and never allowed to return, as he has clearly he cannot handle EVE. 2) Yes, it is. I don't feel any "warnings" should apply in such extreme cases like this, and that a large portion of the EVE community will agree with me on this. In the case of E1, there were people who really felt he should be banned, some who did not - and it was quite a debate. I'm wondering how many of us will actually argue that celebrating Sean's RL murder in open chat should be considered acceptable behavior. 3) Tricky one. I personally find that condoning this type of behavior when there is clear in game evidence that the CEO was fully aware of this type of behavior before accepting the member into his corp, and clear in game evidence that the CEO admitted he did not care as long as it resulted in more attention being shown to his blog is far, far worse then anything that E1 ever did. I don't think total remove from EVE is the answer, but I think a very LONG forced vacation from the game would be helpful in a case like this. Anyway, what do you guys think about this? GM/ISD - I assume you that I am not trying to toll, re-open the issue of Erotica 1, or in any way violate the rules of posting on the forums. I feel this is a very valid conversation that the community should have, but of course - I understand and respect if this type of decision is unwanted or not welcome. Again, the only reason that I used Erotica 1 as a reference is that I feel is provides a very good point of comparison in a discussion like this.
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 192	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:10:00 - [2] - Quote Your alt is banned m8. Start dealing with it already
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 731	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:13:00 - [3] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Your alt is banned m8. Start dealing with it already Did you even read the post? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 481	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:15:00 - [4] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: Your alt is banned m8. Start dealing with it already sighs If you actually are paranoid and delusional enough to think that I am some top secret alt of E1 and that making the post I made is some sort of ploy that somehow would have any effect on anything.... you may need to replace your tin foil hat. Go troll someone else. You might be shocked to discover that once in a while on GD a thread is not some elaborate fail troll but actually just a simple conversation with the community.
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 194	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:16:00 - [5] - Quote Yea yeah. Sure it is. Now get over it
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 875	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:24:00 - [6] - Quote Petition it.
412nv Yaken The Conference Elite CODE. 121	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:27:00 - [7] - Quote Inb4 lock But this dude should be cast from the eve universe for the comments. A True Champion of High Security Space
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1964	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:29:00 - [8] - Quote There was a thread about this same subject the other day. It was quickly closed with a request from the ISDs to the OP to raise a petition. If the evidence is there that this occurred in game, the right course of action is to bring it to CCPs attention through the systems they have in place to investigate and deal with the situation. Given all of the things that have gone on in the last few months, I believe CCP will act if the evidence is provided and the player will be banned. As to the blog. It's out of game and even though it may be distasteful (I don't know as I haven't seen it), I don't believe CCP should act on the basis of things occurring on a third-party website. Yarda: It seems you didn't read the OP and just fired off without thinking about the subject that is actually being discussed. I think that will continue in the thread and it will be closed very quickly as it keeps going off topic. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6511	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:30:00 - [9] - Quote This is just what I think at the moment. If you want to get the only opinion that matters or want action taken, petition it. 1) It's deplorable, but nothing I feel CCP should get involved in. CCP may and has felt differently about such cases, so do it at your own risk. I wouldn't miss anyone who got banned form doing it though. 2) It doesn't bother me, but I wouldn't be surprised let alone upset, if CCP decides to take action in such cases since nothing good will come from it and it's not related to the game in any way. I've hated people and been happy when they died, but I'm more then willing and capable of keeping it to myself and not do anything to disrespect them or the people who loved them. They're dead. Let it go. Move on to new things. 3) There is nothing wrong with attention whoring or attention pimping in this case I guess. It's like running a tabloid. People often publicly disapprove of them, but they still read them and they tend to be more popular then the well respected publications because of the nature of their content is more interesting. Is the owner of the paper supposed to ignore that reality just because some people will frown on it?
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5700	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:30:00 - [10] - Quote 1) Yes it is, though controlling what people are allowed to say is a sticky propostion unless the GMs make it hard and fast and clear what is allowed and what is not, and enforce that. 2) Related to 1, I think they should be warned first. One shot bans are not particularly wise for many reasons. Think EULA and Conduct policies probably cover this already. 3) Erm.... thats another tricky one, as you say. GMs cant really take action against someone because they party-up with people who share their views, no matter how distasteful unless they too are breaking the rules, and in regards to my own stated wish to see bad CEOing eradicated, I do stop short of advocating witch-huntery, which I am worried that this thread may inadvertantly cause. There's a lot of people out here with views I find distasteful, but I would only offer a strong wish to see something done if a) They were in violation of rules as mentioned above and felt the GMs/CCP should take action b) It was within the meta narrative of the game for players to take action against them. I hope that makes sense, its a bit early for my brain to be working correctly "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Tebizla 38	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:33:00 - [11] - Quote DJentropy Ovaert wrote: Stuff ... In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Nothing you should care about. Stop wasting your subscription and go play the game ... *Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ...*
Anathema Device State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:36:00 - [12] - Quote First problem, WTF is the E1 issue? Haven't heard anything about E1 whatever E1 is. Eve Online has the same anonymity problem as the intertubes with people having less restraint in a virtual environment than the restraint they have in RL interactions. Some people will basically say anything to troll or get a reaction. Then there are the people who genuinely believe whatever they are saying. CCP doesn't appear to actively monitor conversation channels for the purpose of censorship. Effectively CCP appears to be turning a blind eye to the issue until an issue blows up.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 455	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:37:00 - [13] - Quote You should have blocked him as soon as you felt insulted, its not as if he was holding all your ISK and forcing you to listen was he? Don't be a turd and follow the herd Instead be a Hero at Hub Zero
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10518	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:37:00 - [14] - Quote FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit". There is no longer any character under that name. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5700	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:39:00 - [15] - Quote Anathema Device wrote: CCP doesn't appear to actively monitor conversation channels for the purpose of censorship. Should they? It wouldn't bother me, but a lot of people might get the old "Don't Tread On Me" attitude on if that was to happen Anathema Device wrote: Effectively CCP appears to be turning a blind eye to the issue until an issue blows up. Isn't it up to players to report things when they are affected by them? I'm not sure Ive seen a blind eye, last time a thread with anything remotely approaching this topic was opened, it was closed fairly quickly and the culprits dealt with. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the * can you think you are entitled to be such an ****?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project
Jack Lennox Sneeze1MeanOrgasm 142	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:40:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah that's pretty ****** up Been ganked? Robbed? Space feelings hurt?-á Now there's something you can do! Fill out a Customer Service Comment Card!-á EIther that or contact everyone's favorite Space Detective for an instant ban!
Remiel Pollard The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals 3553	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:45:00 - [17] - Quote Vile Rat was ten times the player, and human, of all of EVE's carebears combined. The player responsible for the comments in the OP is probably just suffering from an inferiority complex. Such a problem can be solved by repeatedly violencing anything he undocks in, ever, for as long as he exists in EVE. I volunteer to join such action if it takes place. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. [email protected]
Dave Stark 6423	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:45:00 - [18] - Quote DJentropy Ovaert wrote: 1) Is this kind of behavior at least as deplorable as the behavior that E1 engaged in and should it result in removed from the game? 2) Is openly celebrating the murder of another EVE player the type of thing that we as a community feel should result in the removal of this player from the community? 3) How about the CEO in question, the one who openly admitted that he was fully aware of all of this and did not care as long as it resulted in his blog being read more often? Is this type of behavior less, more, or roughly on the same level as the type of behavior that resulted in the removal of E1 from the community? 1) scamming vs speaking ill of the dead? no, scamming is clearly worse (please, note the liberal use of sarcasm) 2) no, it shouldn't be removed from the community. people are free to say what they want (no matter how ******** it is), and actions have consequences. 3) post something controversial, get blog traffic... erm, yep.
Dave Stark 6423	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:48:00 - [19] - Quote Anathema Device wrote: Effectively CCP appears to be turning a blind eye to the issue until an issue blows up. that's how rules are enforced in EVE. i've had forum bans for very marginal things, and other things that were way over the line went totally unnoticed because nobody reported it. CCP basically said as much to me. (obviously though, i can't post the gm mail). it makes sense though; resources are finite and unless someone decided to be a little *** about being told they're ... why bother actively searching it out? if something is ~that~ bad, people will report it. Scipio Artelius wrote:** the right course of action is to bring it to CCPs attention through the systems they have in place to investigate and deal with the situation. indeed, just like our elected CSM member did.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 739	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:51:00 - [20] - Quote IB4L, and I won't comment on specific events I haven't personally witnessed. But generally speaking, if I were CCP I'd consistently at least temp ban anyone that writes RL physical violence threats in-game or writes about approving RL physical violence. Not because it's 'bad' but because it's extremely stupid.
DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 484	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:58:00 - [21] - Quote Thanks for the opinions, guys! If course, if any of the witnessing parties did create support tickets due to the incident - it's not like anyone is going to discuss that here. But yes, those of you mentioning it - I know what a support ticket is, how to use one, and thank you for trying to be helpful. The reason I bought this topic up for discussion was simply to get the thoughts of other players on this topic for a bit of perspective. Thanks to those of you who answered my questions and gave your opinions!
DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 484	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:01:00 - [22] - Quote Tebizla wrote: DJentropy Ovaert wrote: Stuff ... In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Nothing you should care about. Stop wasting your subscription and go play the game ... Awesome! So, when should I expect you to begin paying for my subscription, since you seem to want to take a active role in it :) Also: Global criminal timers are an amazing thing. Gives you 15 mins to grab a beer, make a post or two, smoke, whatever youu want. :)
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 194	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:05:00 - [23] - Quote So.... Did this great (and new) discussion give you enough opinions/ammo to sent a complaint to CCP and get your alt back yet?
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1923	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:10:00 - [24] - Quote posting in soon to be locked thread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Dave Stark 6424	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:20:00 - [25] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: So.... Did this great (and new) discussion give you enough opinions/ammo to sent a complaint to CCP and get your alt back yet? you're not the brightest button in the box, are you?
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2198	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:24:00 - [26] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: So.... Did this great (and new) discussion give you enough opinions/ammo to sent a complaint to CCP and get your alt back yet? you are soo hilariously far from the mark with this I'm not even annoyed with you. without knowing whom the player is, i would be rather interested in which blogger, for obvious reasons. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." Unsuccessful At Everything
Dave Stark 6424	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:27:00 - [27] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: for obvious reasons. got to have something to read while on the throne, right?
Tebizla 38	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:33:00 - [28] - Quote DJentropy Ovaert wrote: Tebizla wrote: DJentropy Ovaert wrote: Stuff ... In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Nothing you should care about. Stop wasting your subscription and go play the game ... Awesome! So, when should I expect you to begin paying for my subscription, since you seem to want to take a active role in it :) Also: Global criminal timers are an amazing thing. Gives you 15 mins to grab a beer, make a post or two, smoke, whatever youu want. :) I most certainly implied I want to take an active role in paying your subscription. There's absolutely nothing else I'd rather do in this videogame. Hell I should even post my own thread and ask the community's 2cents in regards to it. Best way to spend my subscription, ever. You're so clever you ... *Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ...*
Thatt Guy Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:53:00 - [29] - Quote Aww, someone's opinion hurt your space feelings {sadface}. But really, you think someone should be perma-banned for expressing their opinion about VR? What's next, ban anyone who doesn't like goons? With all due respect to VR, having an opinion and expressing it isn't grounds for punitive actions, (regardless of how untasteful it may be).
KnowUsByTheDead Sunlight...Through The Blight. 1892	Posted - 2014.06.23 09:02:00 - [30] - Quote Crappy people are going to be crappy people. Simple as that, DJ. I hate it, but what can you do. People holding composure and having class for the sake of the end game of an elaborate scam......"evil monsters who should die," according to some of the people who posted in the various forums about the Ero situation. However, the "perfect, upstanding, non-criminal" elements of EvE are usually the people throwing the worst vitriol. Should someone who speaks ill of the dead be punished? Sure. But by who? And by what moral guideline? As much as I hate to say it, it becomes a GM issue at that point. I never personally knew VR, but I was in TNT at the time of his passing, and wrote a heartfelt apology to those who did know him. Because I was raised to respect the deceased. Speaking ill of the passed is akin to karmic suicide, in my humble opinion. Others do not share that sentiment, or merely are blinded by "internet tough guy syndrome." Either way, it is counter-intuitive to the sense of "community" CCP tries to create. Not saying they do the best job, after all, a glance at mb.com is enough proof of that. Open a ticket is my personal advice, man. And Yarda... You are not clever. I know Ero. I know DJ. Not the same person. Please tone down the idiocy. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

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