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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:16:00 -
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After that patch i was very eager to setup the Hawk to test it out. Being that i have max missiles launcher skills and I am primarly a missile boat pilots. I eventually came on to 2 diffrent setup neither of which are all that great.
I used Arb' Launchers for better fitting.
The Tank - Sticking to the the traditional Hawk tank
H: x4 Arbalest Launcher, x1 75mm II
M: Small Shield Booster II, Magnetic Scattering II, 20k scram, Medium Shield Ext f-S9
L: x2 Power Diag II's
With the launcher Swap out it does decent damage and has a good tank with Fuctionality has a tackler. Was able to beat the wolf/jag/enyo. Got pwned by the Ishkur/Vengence/Retribution.
The Offensive setup:
H: x4 Arbalest Launcher
M: C5-L Small SB, 1mn AB II, 20k Scram, Cap recharger
L: x2 Ballistic Controls.
Drops about 2 sec off your ROF, but it isnt enough. 7.5 sec is still way to long to wait in a frigate fight for the minimal amount of damage you do to a resisted target. Not to mention you are left with a rather weak cap recharge and shield tank. This setup did do more damage, but lost in a dps Battle to everthing pretty much,
Ultametly I think that the Hawk should get its ROF bonus back and drop the kinetic damage bonus. That would allow flexabilty with damage types which is ultiamtly why people fly Missile boats and one of their only advatages.
In the end The was a move in the right direction and the Hawk is far better off now.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:22:00 -
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Need Team Caldari TBH. 
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 20/06/2006 23:30:02
 Originally by: Zhon
After that patch i was very eager to setup the Hawk to test it out. Being that i have max missiles launcher skills and I am primarly a missile boat pilots. I eventually came on to 2 diffrent setup neither of which are all that great.
I used Arb' Launchers for better fitting.
The Tank - Sticking to the the traditional Hawk tank
H: x4 Arbalest Launcher, x1 75mm II
M: Small Shield Booster II, Magnetic Scattering II, 20k scram, Medium Shield Ext f-S9
L: x2 Power Diag II's
With the launcher Swap out it does decent damage and has a good tank with Fuctionality has a tackler. Was able to beat the wolf/jag/enyo. Got pwned by the Ishkur/Vengence/Retribution.
The Offensive setup:
H: x4 Arbalest Launcher
M: C5-L Small SB, 1mn AB II, 20k Scram, Cap recharger
L: x2 Ballistic Controls.
Drops about 2 sec off your ROF, but it isnt enough. 7.5 sec is still way to long to wait in a frigate fight for the minimal amount of damage you do to a resisted target. Not to mention you are left with a rather weak cap recharge and shield tank. This setup did do more damage, but lost in a dps Battle to everthing pretty much,
Ultametly I think that the Hawk should get its ROF bonus back and drop the kinetic damage bonus. That would allow flexabilty with damage types which is ultiamtly why people fly Missile boats and one of their only advatages.
In the end The was a move in the right direction and the Hawk is far better off now.
I dont fly caldari AF, but doesnt every caldari setup have like atleast 1 em hardener in medslots. Kinetic hardener is very...weird 
edit: also train up for tech 2 launchers, precision missiles +hawk should be able to rip apart every single inty outthere.
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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zhon on 20/06/2006 23:36:31
Edited by: Zhon on 20/06/2006 23:35:44
Magnetic Scattering is EM....
As for Tech 2 launchers I can use them, but I dont for 3 reasons.
1. They take more Power and CPU.
2. Precision is not my problem I hit AF/cepter fine. To be honest they are not worth the Speed reduction. Furies are ok but arnt worth the power grid required to use Tech 2 Launchers
3. There is a slight ROF bonus to using them but like i said it is minimal and compared to the ROF/DPS of other AF's is not helpful.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zhon
Magnetic Scattering is EM....
magnetic dont know sounds kinetic  , let me guess cpu issues so you cant fit a 50% em hardener?
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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zhon on 20/06/2006 23:38:49
Trust me it is EM. and dont use and active hardner because of cap issues.
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La Pounania
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:23:00 -
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4x rocket launcher T2, 1x e5 nos
med: 1x small sb T2, x5 web, j5 scram, 1mn ab
low: bcu II, nanofiber
kills about anything only amarr assault frigs are a problem but then again they are not used that much.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Need Team Caldari TBH.
Imbalance police.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: La Pounania
kills about anything only amarr assault frigs are a problem but then again they are not used that much.
Have you fought the new jagabond?
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:48:00 -
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How'd you work that out? With max skills and 1 BCU you'll get a pitiful 100 dps if your lucky, and why's it got that stupid 5% bonus to shield boost still - yay you can boost a mighty 3.75 extra per sec.
I took it on a lvl 2 mission last night and it was quite a fun ship to play with, but i wouldn't like to use it PVP, espcially when I can use the much more usful harpy.
Maybe with medium shield extenders it'll be a good solo ship for 1v1's? Simply wearing down you opponents while they tear though your large shield reserve?
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: darkmancer
How'd you work that out? With max skills and 1 BCU you'll get a pitiful 100 dps if your lucky, and why's it got that stupid 5% bonus to shield boost still - yay you can boost a mighty 3.75 extra per sec.
I took it on a lvl 2 mission last night and it was quite a fun ship to play with, but i wouldn't like to use it PVP, espcially when I can use the much more usful harpy.
Maybe with medium shield extenders it'll be a good solo ship for 1v1's? Simply wearing down you opponents while they tear though your large shield reserve?
Hawk can tank 90dps with faction mods... Thats 90 raw dps.
For some perspective one large Rep II repairs 60 raw dps.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.21 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Hawk can tank 90dps with faction mods... Thats 90 raw dps.
For some perspective one large Rep II repairs 60 raw dps.
That's also using a setup where the booster is worth 4-5x the market value of the Hawk.
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Mordocik
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Posted - 2006.06.21 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Cruz
Hawk can tank 90dps with faction mods... Thats 90 raw dps.
For some perspective one large Rep II repairs 60 raw dps.
That's also using a setup where the booster is worth 4-5x the market value of the Hawk.
then you havn't seen the current market value of the hawk have you ;)
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Zulak
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Posted - 2006.06.21 01:52:00 -
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lol, yeah, they are now selling for 45-50 mil isk, but I am sure it will go down after the initial rush. I played around with my old hawk and noticed better dps, but not that much to be honest.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Cruz
Hawk can tank 90dps with faction mods... Thats 90 raw dps.
For some perspective one large Rep II repairs 60 raw dps.
That's also using a setup where the booster is worth 4-5x the market value of the Hawk.
Yet you still have the option. You can go farm them yourself as well.
They're not hard to get.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
jagabond?
it been given name now... there go the neighborhood...
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Weirda
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Hllaxiu
jagabond?
it been given name now... there go the neighborhood...
indeed.
..it sounds like jabberjaw
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Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Cruz
Hawk can tank 90dps with faction mods... Thats 90 raw dps.
For some perspective one large Rep II repairs 60 raw dps.
That's also using a setup where the booster is worth 4-5x the market value of the Hawk.
As if a Gist X-Type XL Booster doesn't cost 5x the market value of a Raven. Doesn't stop people from using them.
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One Percent
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:18:00 -
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The Hawk is now a 50km sphere of interceptor death.
I'll be using one.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:41:00 -
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Use rocket launchers.. the standard launcher is total garbage, it has the same base ROF as the heavy launcher right now.. it sucks.. takes forever to fire, and CCP removed all the rate of fire bonuses from caldari frigates. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.21 04:01:00 -
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Set standard launcher ROF to 12, assault launchers to 10!
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.21 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Hllaxiu
jagabond?
it been given name now... there go the neighborhood...
I think its actually from the first thread where Tux said that he was going to try and make the Jaguar more like the Vagabond so that it actually has a role. I just think its funny so I keep calling it that.
My only problem with the ship is that both BIG and NAGA have 5 day (and growing) waits on them! 
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Mongooze
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Posted - 2006.06.21 12:46:00 -
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I have tried the new hawk with light missles and the dps is sad. The harpy and other af's still blow it away. I'm thinking rockets are the only weapon that's going to make the hawk useful. Does anyone have a good rocket setup? A rocket setup will probably need an mwd.
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Best
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Posted - 2006.06.21 12:58:00 -
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IF peeps actually need help setting up this ship, you already lost it tbh its pretty easy.. rockets? I saw rockets on here , good for killing shuttles, lemmings etc...
The ship has been finally balanced into a strong A. Frig, peeps expecting 35 million of performance will be sorely disappointed... its strong peeps, not a miracle ship, any of the other leader A. Frigs will go head to head just as well (Wolf, Harpy, Retribution, Enyo)
But go ahead, be a moron and spend your isk you mined/missioned for the last 2 weeks (that got u shat grades, late to work repeatedly, ****ed off your gf etc)
a veritable exercise in genius...
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Best
IF peeps actually need help setting up this ship, you already lost it tbh its pretty easy.. rockets? I saw rockets on here , good for killing shuttles, lemmings etc...
The ship has been finally balanced into a strong A. Frig, peeps expecting 35 million of performance will be sorely disappointed... its strong peeps, not a miracle ship, any of the other leader A. Frigs will go head to head just as well (Wolf, Harpy, Retribution, Enyo)
But go ahead, be a moron and spend your isk you mined/missioned for the last 2 weeks (that got u shat grades, late to work repeatedly, ****ed off your gf etc)
a veritable exercise in genius...
Rofl at this post
Anyways, I bought the Hawk last night and did Std missiles not for damage being rockets DO MORE damage, but for longer ranges of course. I did AB, medium shield boost, hardner, disruptor with 2xPDU's. This is my alt so still need advance weapon upgrades then I hope to slowly convert to maybe a Ballistic I or II. Either way I have good std missile skills and I was doing great damage last night vs other frigs in 0.0 combat. Love it
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Edited by: madaluap on 20/06/2006 23:47:15
Originally by: Zhon
Magnetic Scattering is EM....
magnetic... dont know sounds kinetic , let me guess cpu issues so you cant fit a 50% em hardener?
With EM Shield compensation 5, you get 50% passive resist with a Magnetic Scattering Amp 2.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:44:00 -
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Well, I used the old Hawk as my Level 3 mission boat, so I've got a little room to talk I think. I've solo'd nearly every L3 mission in it, and only had problems with the Slave Trader missions where you warp into the ambush.
Before, I would use small rails and rockets. Afterburner and a web to close and keep the target there. With an SB II and a shield boost amp or a passive EM amp depending on the target, I was able to get through the missions fairly easily, and never really had a hard time with cap as long as I managed it well. This was without a NOS.
I haven't had a chance to play with the refitted model, but based on my prior experience, going all rockets will really make my cap far more reliable, plus I can now fit a NOS. Also, I absolutely LOVE the shield boost bonus. With good shield skills, the Hawk can tank a lot of damage, assuming the right setup. The shield boost was the major draw for me, it's very underrated imho. Ok, the color scheme was a big draw too. :P
You could set up with light missiles and try to be a longer range frigate killer, but you won't be much of a threat. The real fun of an AF is getting in close and tearing something up. DPS is way better with rockets, and you need to be close to use a NOS anyway. Without a NOS, your ship won't be able to keep that shield boost going for long at all.
Caldari AF have no business with an MWD. The Hawk and the Harpy just don't have the cap for it, and it makes you way too big of a target. Even if you just use it to close the range, and you survive the flight in, then you are a sitting duck orbitting at 250 m/s. Afterburners are far more useful, leave the MWD to the Interceptor pilots or for travel if you have to.
Anyway, there is my 2 isk. Fire away, but I'll be flying and testing out the Hawk tonight. I've got three in my hangar. :)
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.06.21 14:16:00 -
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I'm same advice of karl. I tested both missiles and rockets setup on sisi, and missiles are sooo slow to fire its really a joke. The rof is the same than heavy missiles launcher.
4 Rocket Launcher II
1 named NOS
1 SB II
1 AB II
1 Magnetic Scat. Field II
1 J5B Scramble
1 PDS II
Still hesitating in low, as the ship is a tanker between BCS II (nice but well, rocket fire fast enough) and pseudoelectron Damage control.
For those who ask, yes its very close to a crow, but with lots of slots and some real tanking habilities...
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Omega Bloodstone
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Posted - 2006.06.21 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: La Pounania
kills about anything only amarr assault frigs are a problem but then again they are not used that much.
Have you fought the new jagabond?
Thats a very good question to ask him. Why? Because I beat the death out a rocket hawk last night with my Jag. It was not even close and the guy I popped had 8 mill more skill points lol
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.21 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/06/2006 15:21:13
I rather buy 2-3 Crows than a Hawk. >_<
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