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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:09:00 -
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As far as I know, NVA are welcome in JK-FIX and anywhere else CFS operates, provided the individual pilots aren't known griefers.
I won't bore everyone with our particular definition of "griefer'; that's been covered elsewhere multiple times. :)
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:10:00 -
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Oh and I don't demean the CFS by stating that their view of nuetrality is a wise one.
What does it gain them to join you in your wars?
What do you offer them Jade?
Hunting in Venal is hardly a coveted prize. All i'm suggesting to you is that you strenghten your own allince by foccusing on your own alliance and not the alliances of others.
How is that a bad suggestion?
Tell me Jade?
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:10:00 -
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Then I think what we need is a clarification of Teister's statement. What will the CFS do if NVA sends a task force to hunt TTi and pirate allies in CFS space?
Also, what will CFS do if NVA corps continue to trade, mine, and hunt pirates in CFS space?
These things need to be explicitly stated.
Your neutrality can be respected. But providing a shield for Taggart resupply and commerce can not be.
Taggart funds a pirate alliance of murderers and villains. I really don't know how many times I have to remind people of that.
It is not possible to divorce the commercial operations of Taggart members from the political direction of the Taggart board. These people are declared allies of M3G4 of Paladins of the Red Skull, of Space Invaders, of Scentites ... etc etc.
If you allow them to flourish in the bolt hole of JK-Fix and Khanid in a months time they will be back spreading destruction and sorrow in Venal and Pureblind.
This is pragmatic political reality.
Time to wise up.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:18:00 -
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Allow me the illusionary notion that not everything is down to simple profit and loss analysis Derek.
CFS have expressed an anti-piratical principle.
NVA have been fighting against pirate domination.
Is it to much to expect that the CFS senate would recognise the validity of an ideological alliance between equals persuing the same broad agenda.
Apparently it may be.
For if our "pirate nemesis" (Taggart and NA) is the CFS's "innocent merchents" ... then truly we are looking at the situation from very different perspectives.
I had hoped the CFS would stand for something more.
Still, one lives and learns, and adaption and evolution are the foremost principles of political survival.
But at this time we have faith in our declaration of principles.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:21:00 -
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Jade what good is a declaration of Principles if your own alliance is not strong. CAn you actually repell an invasion? You had a hard enough time just fighting Mega.
Look inwards. You may see an alliance in need of some rebuilding.
CFS doesnt need to welcome war into their home just because you deem they should based on an anti pirate view.
And your statement saying TTI is going to hide there and get strong then come back attacking you guys in full force is ludicrus.
Does anyone beleive thats their plan?
_______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:40:00 -
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Jade put a sock in it. I have had my boys on the line for you for ages now, fighting for you. This constant defiling of a thread is getting old.
I will probably get a spanking by our pr officer for this. But JADE SHUT UP! Take this as friendly advice from one of your most favorable allies.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
"There is TONS of flaming, personal abuse and
other bad behaviour on the In-game board and in In-game world. If everybody would just read the rules and follow them, the EVE world be a much nicer place to be in."
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Chrysa Morganite
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Chrysa Morganite on 29/09/2003 18:51:53
Edited by: Chrysa Morganite on 29/09/2003 18:51:08
TTI has never had any interest in moving to CFS space to make war, unless they decided to join the NVA. They did not join them because it is not in their interest.
TTI's core philosophy and its members respect the CFS's wish for neutrality. We believe that CFS held space should remain outside the areas of conflict entirely.
Finally, TTI requests that Jade discontinue spreading fear and disinformation regarding TTI influence in this affair. There is no TTI conspiracy, we do not have the means or desire to produce one. At least McCarthy had some grains of truth on his side, Jade does not.
Chrysa Morganite
Information Manager
Taggart Transdimensional
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:56:00 -
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NVA is a regional alliance. Jade has told CFS that it demands financial tributes from those who want to use their space, and NVA is fighting to control a region: as such, Teister's listing of relevant alliances to which our claim of neutrality applies was very correct.
Jade may continue to claim that because CFS attempts to protect its home from pirates, that it's obligated to go to war with anyone she decries as a pirate. Unfortunately, as flowery as her rhetoric may be, it does not define reality. Considering her own alliance harbors criminals and pirates, she has little ground to call CFS hypocritical. In addition, her definition of 'pirate' is a little broad, and seems more focused on her enemies than on an independent criterion for judging crimes.
More than likely, she has a case of sour grapes because CFS was not convinced it should join the NVA conflict in force. TTi may have many unflattering characteristics; but paying mercenary corporations to attack their enemies in a civil war does not immediately make them a pirate corporation. Nor are her threats or her arrogance convincing arguments for deploying a fleet on the other side of the cluster, when NVA cannot provide reciprocal support.
As for our neutrality, it is simple. We will not attack people who are not pirates or enemies of CFS. We will attempt to avoid being involved in conflicts that are recognized wars. However, whether a warring party or not, pirates will be attacked in our space. So while we request avoiding conflict in our space, if you do attempt to hunt your enemies here, doing it with pirate mercenaries will be less productive.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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Teister
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Posted - 2003.09.29 19:21:00 -
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Then I think what we need is a clarification of Teister's statement. What will the CFS do if NVA sends a task force to hunt TTi and pirate allies in CFS space?
Also, what will CFS do if NVA corps continue to trade, mine, and hunt pirates in CFS space?
These things need to be explicitly stated.
Your neutrality can be respected. But providing a shield for Taggart resupply and commerce can not be.
Taggart funds a pirate alliance of murderers and villains. I really don't know how many times I have to remind people of that.
It is not possible to divorce the commercial operations of Taggart members from the political direction of the Taggart board. These people are declared allies of M3G4 of Paladins of the Red Skull, of Space Invaders, of Scentites ... etc etc.
If you allow them to flourish in the bolt hole of JK-Fix and Khanid in a months time they will be back spreading destruction and sorrow in Venal and Pureblind.
This is pragmatic political reality.
Time to wise up.
Love and peace
From the topic starter, and I quote my own words: "...we will not intervene between publicly declared wars or Concord approved warring parties in CFS space, which is defined as Khanid, JK-FIX, l-4ZFB, and RI6T-K regions. The exception being known pirate corps on our KOS list, which will always be attacked."
Which part do you not understand? NVA and TTi are in a publicly declard war, espically public with your pollific pen. Let me spell it out for you.
CFS will not interfere or protect NVA attacks on TTi and the rest of the NA. Nor will we protect NVA against TTi, but would if the attackers were pirates, like M3g4 or the now BMC. We will not interfer if Evo wants to attack CA ships in our space, and again vise versa, unless the CA members are also pirates and on our KOS list, in which case we shall attack them. Sinister lost a BS and we pod killed the pilot yesterday due to this policy. I do not know how to make this policy any clearer.
Sorry if you take offense if I used and use the term "NA". I do not know all who are in that "alliance" and am using it as convience name for the group.
Lastly, during the chat sessions, you seem to have taken the comments from our PUBLIC chat, which includes non-cfs members, as questioning NVA internal polices. CFS and I could not give's a rat's ass about those policies, for they are extremly miner differences and in no way would have hindered closer relations. To have mistaken public comments, from a chat group which had 140 people in it and therefore, every sort of opinion, from insightful to innane, is a mistake of judgement on your part I believe.
I know you did not like seeing m3g4, and latter Taggert, and I think KIA vistors in our public chat when you came in. They were not invited, I assure you. They came because thier spies, probably in your alliance but in all fairness, could be ours, got wind of alliance talks between us.
In summary, I hope your concerns are answered. I have waited a bit before reply becuase, if I had let my pen fly with a bit of heated passion, things between CFS and NVA would continue to escalate.
Teister
CEO Independent Miners Guild
President, CFS Alliance
www.cfs-eve.org
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.29 19:29:00 -
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As far as I know, NVA are welcome in JK-FIX and anywhere else CFS operates, provided the individual pilots aren't known griefers.
I won't bore everyone with our particular definition of "griefer'; that's been covered elsewhere multiple times. :)
Thank you for the information. I have no desire for conflict with the CFS. i simply wish to continue trading.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 20:35:00 -
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Okay, mĘdears ą I have been in discussion with both the NVA Council and the CFS Senate these last couple of hours. Initial outcomes are useful; in that the CFS has confirmed that NVA transit, mining, trade and pirate hunting will be allowed as usual. I have also had it confirmed that Taggart is still deemed an unacceptable partner for the CFS and will not be granted a place in that alliance.
Discussions are continuing; but clarification of these issues has lowered the intensity of diplomatic wrangling considerably.
NVA awaits further developments.
Love and Peace.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.29 22:11:00 -
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Thats good to hear Jade. I travel to CFS space everyday and sell out of Gehi. Id like to see Khanid remain a peaceful place. From the looks of it CFS wont interfere if declared combatants fight it out in their space provided they arent known pirates or PK griefers. So the solution is simple. If you chase someone into CFS space just make sure your attackers are not pirates. This sounds like a good rule to me since a chasing pirate who doesnt find his target will by nature turn to attack innocent people which is how they became pirates in the first place. Thank you.
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Anla Shok
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Posted - 2003.09.29 22:26:00 -
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lemme say it as diplomatic as i can.
you are a waste of space.
all of you.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.29 23:58:00 -
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Funny, that's what my mother told me over and over when I was young. Yet, I'm still here and she's dead.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.30 00:55:00 -
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Okay, mĘdears ą I have been in discussion with both the NVA Council and the CFS Senate these last couple of hours. Initial outcomes are useful; in that the CFS has confirmed that NVA transit, mining, trade and pirate hunting will be allowed as usual. I have also had it confirmed that Taggart is still deemed an unacceptable partner for the CFS and will not be granted a place in that alliance.
Discussions are continuing; but clarification of these issues has lowered the intensity of diplomatic wrangling considerably.
NVA awaits further developments.
Love and Peace.
I can keep it short and simple that many, many corporations are willing to defend what CFS stands for.
By invading CFS in any form, you show that what they stand for isnt what you stand for: Peace in a region and safety against piracy.
Would be a shame, because that was the single reason for DCINC, and many others, to join a NAP with NVA.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:23:00 -
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Dreamworks m'dear, I think you needn't worry. The NVA has absolutely no intentions to travel 80 jumps to invade CFS space. My earlier remark about consequences was in response to the hypothetical situation that an NVA vessel might be prevented from peaceful trade, mining, or Sansha hunting in JK-Fix.
Since the clarification I asked for has been given, there is no issue potentially arising from that question.
Fundimentally the CFS and NVA stand for the same thing. We have minor differences in terms of industrial grade strip-mining tariffs. But overall our methods and methodology are pretty close.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:37:00 -
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TTi operating in CFS "claimed" space?
/em boggles
That would be an interesting way to show abhorence of piratical tendencies. 
Of course.. it would also make the third "unannounced alliance" hiding within the CFS membership waiting for the day of stations to lay claim to Jk-fix and its 'kin'.
More interesting is that two of those do not have the CFSs' interests or ideals at their heart...
Et tu Brut(i)? (sp? deliberat')
(Don't say I didn't warn you...)
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:07:00 -
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For crying out loud.
This space is not "claimed" as far as I know . . . as far as I can tell, it's a protectorate. The corps calling this area home do a pretty good job of keeping the place peaceful, which conistists of killing or keeping out trouble-makers.
They ask nothing in return, except that people play nice when they are down here.
They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
... That's when I reach for my revolver ... |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:28:00 -
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They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
Substantiate that or take a ticket and join the list of idiots on dial-an-idiot night.
I suggest you read my posts, not responses to my posts.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.09.30 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: Primer Xenius on 30/09/2003 11:56:17
3 pages later, it sinks in through to her that there really is nothing to see here.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:00:00 -
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Greetings Teister,
Sorry to go off topic here but seeing as how people have been trying to use the policy of CFS either for their own gain or to cause problems for the CFS's I would like to apply my corp for membership to this alliance. I understand most of what this alliance is all about and to be fully honest its current members and its policy is somethng worth protecting in my eyes. This decision has been dicussed by the members of Freelancing corp and final decision has been left to me. And the final decision is that we will support CFS and join this worthy alliance if they will have us.
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Mindecho
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mindecho on 01/10/2003 01:25:50
Paul try posting that here :
http://cfs-eve.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1
Mindecho
Director of Ominous Division
Black Avatar
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:22:00 -
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Quote:
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They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
Substantiate that or take a ticket and join the list of idiots on dial-an-idiot night.
I suggest you read my posts, not responses to my posts.
Dear Jade,
To openly call someone an idiot in a public forum to me is nothing more then a show of lack of character and ignorance. I had a better view of you Jade. Allot better view. It would sadden me if my previous view of you were wrong.
Sincerly
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:28:00 -
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Mindecho
Thanks for the information. I will go trough the process as soon as I am able.
Sincerly
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marius calgar
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Posted - 2003.10.01 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: marius calgar on 01/10/2003 01:57:11
Quote:
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They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
Substantiate that or take a ticket and join the list of idiots on dial-an-idiot night.
I suggest you read my posts, not responses to my posts.
For our UK players just think pot noodle and Jade
It's all me me me me me!!!
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2003.10.01 05:48:00 -
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Quote:
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They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
Substantiate that or take a ticket and join the list of idiots on dial-an-idiot night.
Will a pledge land me a handsom tote?
I believe CFS's ideal is to remain neutral and not to form alliances or hand out special favors to alliances. Not this:
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Initial outcomes are useful; in that the CFS has confirmed that NVA transit, mining, trade and pirate hunting will be allowed as usual. I have also had it confirmed that Taggart is still deemed an unacceptable partner for the CFS and will not be granted a place in that alliance. [/qoute]
Which implies that NVA gets a sweet deal and that Taggart doesn't. In all fairness, everyone has the same rights in CFS space as long as they behave. I assume, due to the continued conflict.
But that's how I read things . . . then again, I'm an idiot. 
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Teister
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Posted - 2003.10.01 11:13:00 -
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Quote:
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They are possibly the only genuinely friendly group in this game . . . quit trying to make them your PR pawn Jade.
Substantiate that or take a ticket and join the list of idiots on dial-an-idiot night.
Will a pledge land me a handsom tote?
I believe CFS's ideal is to remain neutral and not to form alliances or hand out special favors to alliances. Not this:
Quote:
Initial outcomes are useful; in that the CFS has confirmed that NVA transit, mining, trade and pirate hunting will be allowed as usual. I have also had it confirmed that Taggart is still deemed an unacceptable partner for the CFS and will not be granted a place in that alliance. [/qoute]
Which implies that NVA gets a sweet deal and that Taggart doesn't. In all fairness, everyone has the same rights in CFS space as long as they behave. I assume, due to the continued conflict.
But that's how I read things . . . then again, I'm an idiot.
NO, we are not giving the NVA a "sweet" deal. TTi can also come, mine, NPC hunt, etc in CFS space, as I have explained to the NVA. They are not on our KOS list. NVA forces can also come here, mine, hunt NPC, etc. And, they can both fight each other without interferance from CFS forces. They are in a public war, and as stated, we will not interfere. No, I DO NOT WANT TTi to come to CFS space, any more than any other waring fraction. But we will not prevent them from coming here, nor protect them either.
Teister
CEO Independent Miners Guild
President, CFS Alliance
www.cfs-eve.org
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Teister
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Posted - 2003.10.01 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Teister on 01/10/2003 11:28:16
Edited by: Teister on 01/10/2003 11:27:41
I would like also to state that a lessing of tensions with the NVA and CFS has come to pass. A few words were exchange, prehaps not the most friendly recently. However, we are coming to understand each others points of views, and more open and firendly dicussions have taken place.
NVA and CFS princibles and goals are not at all that far apart. Misunderstandings can and will occur, such is the nature of things. However, with reason and skilled dipomats like Jade, such probems will be worked out. Over time, I am sure the level of trust and friendship between CFS and NVA will increase.
Teister
CEO Independent Miners Guild
President, CFS Alliance
www.cfs-eve.org
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/10/2003 14:20:49
I concur with President Teister of the CFS. Much was gained by frank and honest discussion in-game.
The only people I have snapped at here were those who placed uninformed opinions on display without reading the statements on public record properly.
I am a diplomat m'dears not a doormat.
Love and peace.
Jade Constantine
CEO Jericho Fraction
PR Rep NVA
NVA Founder member
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:50:00 -
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Not reading posts properly. Use should be more careful. All you do is go and make an ass of yourself.
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