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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5908
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:40:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:
You guys are looking rather stupid
What an intelligent counterpoint to a statement you believe I made (and didnt)
If you are going to be ticked off simply because you feel people disagree with you, there is no purpose in attempting to debate with you.
Therefore, is there a purpose to your point on this subject?
If you only accept comments from those who agree with you, then there is no need for the comment in the first place.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I thought the burden of proof was on the person who presents a theory to prove it correct or disprove it themselves
Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side.
It is your job to prove that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. As of right now you have nothing |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
847
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:44:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Quote:You have provided no proofs that I am wrong True, I did that by lying on the pole. As Ramona correctly pointed out, the burden if proof still lies with you. I have already proven that accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. My self and some RL friends have canceled accounts because of it. Now due to the laws of probability that would suggest there are more people who have canceled because of plex prices. You guys are looking rather stupid to sit and assume we are the only ones to do so. And I also took into account the lying on the poll in an other post. You are suggesting that there are no more people to have canceled accounts because of plex prices. There for the burden of proof is right solid on your shoulders. I would say quit while your ahead of you are not ahead . So either quit or come up with some proof that no one else has canceled because of plex price. I enjoy making terrible arguments. Therefore, probability states there must be others who do as well.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:44:00 -
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That's not what we are discussing though, we are discussing the validity of the pole.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5908
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:44:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I thought the burden of proof was on the person who presents a theory to prove it correct or disprove it themselves Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side. It is your job to prove that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. As of right now you have nothing
I havent suggested anything
I havent seen any proof either way
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:46:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:, there is no purpose in attempting to debate with you.
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You can attempt all you want I have shown numerous times that some accounts have been canceled because of plex pricing. I also have shown why the burden of proof is now in your court.
Laws of probability are pretty strong that is why indeed a law not a hypothesis of probability |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:48:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I thought the burden of proof was on the person who presents a theory to prove it correct or disprove it themselves Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side. It is your job to prove that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. As of right now you have nothing
No we are not, we were singular in concern about a meritless pole being used in a discussion .
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5908
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:48:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:, there is no purpose in attempting to debate with you.
. You can attempt all you want I have shown numerous times that some accounts have been canceled because of plex pricing. I also have shown why the burden of proof is now in your court. Laws of probability are pretty strong that is why indeed a law not a hypothesis of probability
As I said, I have not seen proof either way. Your editing my replies to remove where I suggest you should be less emotionally reactive to other's opinions on your posts does you no favours.
If you wish to align more people to your point of view, you should be less confrontational and reactionary.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
2015
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:50:00 -
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And why do we care about accounts cancelled? Less miners more rocks for me!
I am not my skills but...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 08:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
If you wish to align more people to your point of view, you should be less confrontational and reactionary.
I'll further this and point out that the very people to have been arguing with are the ones who would like to see proper data on the subject as opposed to some irrelevant percentage of something to be beaten about the head with.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I thought the burden of proof was on the person who presents a theory to prove it correct or disprove it themselves Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side. It is your job to prove that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. As of right now you have nothing I havent suggested anything I havent seen any proof either way
http://s12.postimg.org/lch0satzx/eve_proof.jpg that is one account there. That is more proof than I have seen for the argument that no other accounts have been canceled.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:03:00 -
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LOL
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5908
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:04:00 -
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What exactly do you expect me to reply to this?
Or rather, what would you prefer me to say?
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:06:00 -
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Nothing, at this point you can just laugh
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
2015
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:10:00 -
[195] - Quote
Meh, recently I paid year subs for my 2 accounts and last week I did the same for new alt so I think CCP's wallet is safe for now.
I am not my skills but...
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3653
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:24:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:polly papercut wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I thought the burden of proof was on the person who presents a theory to prove it correct or disprove it themselves Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side. It is your job to prove that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices. As of right now you have nothing I havent suggested anything I havent seen any proof either way http://s12.postimg.org/lch0satzx/eve_proof.jpg that is one account there. That is more proof than I have seen for the argument that no other accounts have been canceled.
No one's arguing that people haven't cancelled their accounts due to PLEX prices. What we're arguing against is that it's a problem. Because it isn't. Even if your entire population sample on that silly little poll of yours cancelled all their subs due to PLEX prices, it still wouldn't be a problem.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22725
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:32:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Until you come up with numbers of your own. I am still right. No. Until you prove yourself right, you are wrong. The problem is that the only proof you have does not say what you want it to say, as has been demonstrated on multiple occasions by multiple people.
We have proven that your sample size is too small. We have proven that it is a biased, self-selected sample. We have proven that it is not an accurate tally of anything other than votes. You have not been able to respond or refute any of this other than by spewing all manner of fallacies all over the place.
Quote:See how straw man works is I go about telling people that you made a statement about something for the straw man fallacy to work the person or people would have to be ignorant to your side of the argument. No. What other people think is irrelevant. What matters is that you don't address what I say but instead invent a different argument, attribute it to me, and go after it instead. If you're going to complain about the use of a word, you need to learn what it means first. As long as you keep inventing arguments to respond to rather than to address what they actually say, you are using strawman argumentation.
Quote:And the way Ad Hominem works is and you are extremely guilty of this one.
I make one statement you reply back well polly is a big stupid head there for my statement is invalid. No. You make a statement. I, and everyone else, demonstrate that it is incorrect or fallacious, and that this suggests that you are not familiar with the subject at hand. This is not an ad hominem since the assessment of you person is based on your argument rather than the other way around.
Quote:You simply like to try to argue until such a time that you can come to be with actual numbers and PROVE to me that no other accounts have been canceled due to plex prices anything you say it meaningless. This is a strawman argument. At no point has anyone suggested that no accounts have been cancelled due to PLEX prices GÇö that's just something you made up so you could be right about something. What people have said is that your poll doesn't prove anything of any relevance due to its many many flaws. How and why this is has been proven over and over again, but you have only been able to respond by demonstrating a lack of understanding of the subject matter.
Quote:It is a fallacy to claim that X exists unless you prove that there is no X GǪand that is indeed what your argument boils down to and why I keep saying that you shouldn't rely so much on fallacies.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22725
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:36:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Right and you guys are suggesting no other accounts have been canceled due to plex pricing. I have proven that some have and now have laws of probability on my side. No-one has suggested this, and your poll (nor anything else you've provided) does not prove this for the simple reason that it does not tally PLEX-related cancellations.
All we are suggesting is that your data is insignificant to the point of irrelevance and that it is full of inaccuracies. That and the other fundamental flaws in your poll means that probability isn't something you should attempt to appeal to at this moment, as was demonstrated (with numbers and all) earlier in the thread.
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Eternity 1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:47:00 -
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Some people spend far too much time trying to prove people wrong on the internet. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5425
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:50:00 -
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Eternity 1 wrote:Some people spend far too much time trying to prove people wrong on the internet.
He's managed to do that all on his own, what we're trying to do is get him to realise this.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5410
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:55:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Accounts are being canceled because of plex prices bottom line and my poll has proven that.
Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices?
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Victor Andall
565
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Posted - 2014.06.30 09:59:00 -
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Um, so...are we arguing with Divine Entervention's alt or something?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2334
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:01:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:Um, so...are we arguing with Divine Entervention's alt or something?
That's being generous to de.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:26:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:polly papercut wrote:Accounts are being canceled because of plex prices bottom line and my poll has proven that. Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices?
Dave Stark wrote:
i sincerely doubt people will quit if plex prices reach 1bn isk.
Tippia wrote:
GǪbut the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).
Yup.
I mean you can sit around and circle jerk each other all you want.
But people canceling accounts because of high plex prices is never a good thing and it is indeed happening. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
820
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:31:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:You have nothing to back your statements while I have 25 votes. I have 25 times more facts than you . so keep it up you are wrong and you will always be wrong about this. I suggest you unsub polly to make it 26.
Then we'd all win! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2334
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:49:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:polly papercut wrote:Accounts are being canceled because of plex prices bottom line and my poll has proven that. Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices? Dave Stark wrote:
i sincerely doubt people will quit if plex prices reach 1bn isk.
Tippia wrote:
GǪbut the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).
Yup. I mean you can sit around and circle jerk each other all you want. But people canceling accounts because of high plex prices is never a good thing and it is indeed happening.
In your opinion, which is all you have actually shown.
I could care that high plex prices made you UN sub an alt but no one here will bear to see you mis represent that in a form that's indicitave of a problem for anyone other than yourself.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22725
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:50:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices?
Tippia wrote:GǪbut the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all). Yup. Nope.
That's just you not understanding statistics and creating yet another strawman to fill in the gap. If you ask nicely, I'll explain to you what I'm saying because it is not what you want it to be.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5410
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:52:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:polly papercut wrote:Accounts are being canceled because of plex prices bottom line and my poll has proven that. Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices? Dave Stark wrote:
i sincerely doubt people will quit if plex prices reach 1bn isk.
Well, Dave Stark needs to have a word with himself. People will quit the game for all kinds of reasons: surely everyone who lives in hi sec knows at least one industrialist who plays the market to fund their PLEX subscription and has from time to time quit the game when they couldn't afford another PLEX due to extended absences during their 30 days?
I've dropped two subscriptions simply because I can't afford them anymore. Those subscriptions only existed because I could pay for the subscription with in game currency. Prices went up, my income earning went down, eventually it got to the point where I was spending too much time grinding ISK for the subscriptions for two accounts that I only use for grinding ISK for subscriptions.
So while your poll doesn't show any meaningful distinction between the categories, it should at least challenge Dave's assumptions about the subscriber population. Dave could always qualify his statement with weasel words like "significant number of" ;)
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3655
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:57:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:polly papercut wrote:Accounts are being canceled because of plex prices bottom line and my poll has proven that. Was anyone ever disputing that people were cancelling accounts due to PLEX prices? Dave Stark wrote:
i sincerely doubt people will quit if plex prices reach 1bn isk.
Tippia wrote:
GǪbut the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).
Yup. I mean you can sit around and circle jerk each other all you want. But people canceling accounts because of high plex prices is never a good thing and it is indeed happening.
You haven't made the case for it being a bad thing. "Not a good thing" is not by virtue of not being good a bad thing. This is called a false dichotomy.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2334
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Posted - 2014.06.30 11:04:00 -
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Did Remiel just call us penguin's....
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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