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Ontaku Oroa
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.02 15:19:00 -
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Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you. A nice potential wrench in the wheels of their sneaky approach is to jettison a can with a single round of ammo or some assorted trash at warp in - as soon as you exit warp when you go to a signature.
That way anyone who bookmarked the signature at warp in point and tries to fly in cloaked will get de-cloaked and you get a chance to escape.
Another rule of thumb is to examine every character that appears in local (obviously this works for less crowded lowsec systems). If they have a negative sec status, add them to your contacts and set them at terrible standing. Check their corporation. If it looks like a pirate corp (a good sign is if they have skulls, cutlasses, pirate hats, eye patches, parrots and/or words "wench", "rum", "Yarr", "ahoy", "matey" and "scallywag" in their description) - set them as red too.
And never, ever do your stuff with a red in the system. |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:21:00 -
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Ontaku Oroa wrote:Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you. A nice potential wrench in the wheels of their sneaky approach is to jettison a can with a single round of ammo or some assorted trash at warp in - as soon as you exit warp when you go to a signature.
I've read about that and carry a stack of carbon just for that purpose. :-) |

Ethikos
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:31:00 -
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Let me also say, welcome to low sec!
Frankly, I find EvE out of high sec much more fun than EvE in high sec. I hope you will as well as you make your way through things. People here have given you a lot of advice on what you asked for, so I am going to through out something you have not mentioned. Join a group. Seriously consider if you want to continue your career outside of high sec. If your interested in groups, I would recommend Brave Newbies and EvE University for someone venturing out of high sec for the first time. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266074 - Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
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Marsan
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Posted - 2014.07.03 08:24:00 -
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There are a couple of tricks to live through a gate camp.
1) Learn the MWD/cloak trick for when you aren't in a ship that warps cloaked. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cloak_Trick
2) Never warp to the sun, never warp to a planet, never warp to a moon. I'd make a GTFO tab for your overview put belts, and POCOs on it. Warp to one of these places and cloak up.
3) Remember when you pass through a gate or wormhole you are cloaked (you can't be uncloaked), and are invulnerable until you move. Yes they will see the gate or wormhole flash, but you have lots of time to select place to warp to.
4) Learn to use safe spots. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Safe_Spot
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community. |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:27:00 -
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Ontaku Oroa wrote:Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you.
Actually, I was puzzling over what the methodology is here. After all, the intended victim might be some distance from the signature warp-in point.
1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two. 2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning. 3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away. 4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down.
Apparently it's not #4, but I'm curious as to which of #1 #2 #3 it is, please?
I've been careful to keep analysis targets out of decloak range except when actually slurping up the contents, and to align the ship to a safe spot while analysing, intending that if someone turns up on overview I'll either cloak or warp depending on the range to them. Is this sensible, please? |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:48:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Ontaku Oroa wrote:Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you. Actually, I was puzzling over what the methodology is here. After all, the intended victim might be some distance from the signature warp-in point. 1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two. 2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning. 3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away. 4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down. Apparently it's not #4, but I'm curious as to which of #1 #2 #3 it is, please? I've been careful to keep analysis targets out of decloak range except when actually slurping up the contents, and to align the ship to a safe spot while analysing, intending that if someone turns up on overview I'll either cloak or warp depending on the range to them. Is this sensible, please? It's usually #3. Good cloaky hunters will try to bump you to prevent you from warping out before they can lock you.
If you analyze aligned, you're already doing it the best possible way imo.
Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc. |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:44:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc.
Seems like that would be sufficient time to warp out, even after being bumped, so I guess it's down to the usual business of trying to watch the rest of the screen while running analysis. Thanks.
(Although yesterday's discovery was, if you scan down a POS in lowsec don't go and take a look at it, it can blow you up from quite a long way away. Still, Magnates are cheap...) |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
940
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:49:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc. Seems like that would be sufficient time to warp out, even after being bumped, so I guess it's down to the usual business of trying to watch the rest of the screen while running analysis. Thanks. (Although yesterday's discovery was, if you scan down a POS in lowsec don't go and take a look at it, it can blow you up from quite a long way away. Still, Magnates are cheap...) ROFL
If you're curious, you can either stay on grid for less than 10 seconds (POS have long lock times) or cloak.
And my personal record against cloaky hunters in data/relic sights is 1 GTFO - 2 dead. But I wasn't aligned :) |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2090
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Posted - 2014.07.03 12:00:00 -
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Well, sometimes there is only 1 data/relic site in system and I can just go there and wait for you. And if there are 2 sites my alt will have to undock :)
But more often then not people react too slow to run away from my slasher or even thrasher. There has to be something magical in flashy red on overview that keeps them from hitting warp the moment I land at beacon :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
940
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Posted - 2014.07.03 12:06:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Well, sometimes there is only 1 data/relic site in system and I can just go there and wait for you. And if there are 2 sites my alt will have to undock :)
But more often then not people react too slow to run away from my slasher or even thrasher. There has to be something magical in flashy red on overview that keeps them from hitting warp the moment I land at beacon :) And yet you're still just -9.9!
Lazy pirate!  |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2091
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Posted - 2014.07.03 12:10:00 -
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I blame those who shot back causing LE and lack of sec status hit when I podded them! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
414
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:00:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two. 2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning. 3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away. 4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down.
Normally:
5) Warp to signature at range cloaked. Bookmark hacking can next to explorer. Bounce to closest celestial and back to can cloaked. Uncloak and shoot.
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Ontaku Oroa
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:40:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Well, sometimes there is only 1 data/relic site in system and I can just go there and wait for you. And if there are 2 sites my alt will have to undock :)
But more often then not people react too slow to run away from my slasher or even thrasher. There has to be something magical in flashy red on overview that keeps them from hitting warp the moment I land at beacon :)
They are probably very new at PvP, get an adrenaline rush, freeze up and get slow. Don't you remember what it was like when you first got pointed by an evil pirate? I sure do, I forgot which buttons fire up my weapons. :p
Some even suggest changing their overview settings so that high threat targets that would usually be blinky red appear as a more calming color, like purple. Red is what we instinctively associate with danger - but if you already know that target is dangerous, you might as well paint them a nice shade of pink to calm your nerves. If they're pink, how badass can they be? ;) |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2091
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:51:00 -
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Of course I remember how it was to be a newbie, I specifically target them for this very reason :)
Another trick I use is flying ships not commonly known for their pvp capabilities. Because who would run away when d-scan only shows lone venture, right? :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:07:00 -
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Ontaku Oroa wrote:They are probably very new at PvP, get an adrenaline rush, freeze up and get slow. Don't you remember what it was like when you first got pointed by an evil pirate? I sure do, I forgot which buttons fire up my weapons. :p
Mmm. I've run into one bubble so far (through sheer stupidity) and total paralysis ensued. First podding of my career. :-) |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2091
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:19:00 -
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Congratulations, next one will come easier :)
After looking at your loss: where is your ship? Killboard didn't update yet or you really are flying around null in your pod? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:23:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Ontaku Oroa wrote:They are probably very new at PvP, get an adrenaline rush, freeze up and get slow. Don't you remember what it was like when you first got pointed by an evil pirate? I sure do, I forgot which buttons fire up my weapons. :p Mmm. I've run into one bubble so far (through sheer stupidity) and total paralysis ensued. First podding of my career. :-) Congrats! May it be the first of many.
When I was jumping down to null for the first time I did similarly. "ZOMG A BUBBLE!!!" then I turned my ship frantically to the left, directly into the camping fleet. |

Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
544
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Posted - 2014.07.03 16:44:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:After looking at your loss: where is your ship? Killboard didn't update yet or you really are flying around null in your pod? Seems to depend on which board you look at. BattleClinic shows a shuttle but no pod. |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:26:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:After looking at your loss: where is your ship? Killboard didn't update yet or you really are flying around null in your pod?
Being a noob, I've no idea where you're finding this, but it's no secret. Thus far I've succeeded in losing one ship missioning (*shame*), getting blown up in a shuttle in null (I was following a scouting Interceptor, only misunderstood the instructions), getting podded two seconds later, and then some time later losing a Magnate to a POS in lowsec and getting away in the pod for a fresh ship without any trouble. Does that clear things up? |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2091
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:14:00 -
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I checked zkillboard.com and there is only pod lost in null.
Areen, you might find killboards useful when you wanna check what kind of players are in local with you, just search their name and you will see what they lost/killed and whether they kill solo or in groups, etc.
Anyway, if you are explorer your priority is get loot from sites and survive long enough to make ISK from it. Losing ships is natural part of this process so no need to be shy about it just try to learn and be better next time. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
544
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:33:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I checked zkillboard.com and there is only pod lost in null. So? |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
953
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:32:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Areen Sassel wrote:1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two. 2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning. 3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away. 4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down.
Normally: 5) Warp to signature at range cloaked. Bookmark hacking can next to explorer. Bounce to closest celestial and back to can cloaked. Uncloak and shoot. ^^What Cara said (not what I said).
Damn, this chick knows everything! |

Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
414
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:32:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:^^What Cara said (not what I said).
Damn, this chick knows everything! D'aww.
Not everything. Thank you for teaching me about invuln timers.  www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:54:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Anyway, if you are explorer your priority is get loot from sites and survive long enough to make ISK from it. Losing ships is natural part of this process so no need to be shy about it just try to learn and be better next time.
Oh, I realise that; it's all about odds. I don't set my eyes on a covops, because a Magnate - even with a cloak, etc - is dirt cheap, and I can afford to lose a lot of those. I went into lowsec a couple of times without the cloak because no Cloaking skill, and it turned out all right, but if I had been blown up, why would I care?
It helps that I never entertained the fantasy of PLEXing in the early months, subscribed with cash, so isk losses are just in-game.
Apropos of nothing: I used to play Puzzle Pirates; I was a subscriber, but they invented the idea of a thing bought with real money, traded on a proper exchange with in-game money, which bought you subscription rights. They also had an in-game poker implementation, and in later years I subscribed only to play poker with a currency that mattered, but that wasn't real money. I'd like to see that in New Eden. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2096
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Posted - 2014.07.04 06:16:00 -
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There is Eve Online Hold'Em - 3rd party poker site. That is as close as you can get to poker in Eve. But in-game poker? CCP doesn't implement anything that can or already is provided by 3rd party. In-game fitting window is blinding example of that weird (and in my opinion stupid) approach. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Ontaku Oroa
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.04 09:01:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Anyway, if you are explorer your priority is get loot from sites and survive long enough to make ISK from it. Losing ships is natural part of this process so no need to be shy about it just try to learn and be better next time. Oh, I realise that; it's all about odds. I don't set my eyes on a covops, because a Magnate - even with a cloak, etc - is dirt cheap, and I can afford to lose a lot of those. I went into lowsec a couple of times without the cloak because no Cloaking skill, and it turned out all right, but if I had been blown up, why would I care?
Because one day you might be hauling 100mil ISK worth of loot in your cargo. Don't just plan on getting there in one piece, plan on getting the shinies back too.
So if you want to really go for null/lowsec exploration, first go for either covops frigate or Astero (Sisters of Eve frigate), and later on with a Stratios or a Strategic cruiser fitted for exploration and evasion, which means covops and interdiction nullifier subsystems. For nullsec a strategic cruiser is better than Stratios because it allows you to just punch through interdiction bubbles, so you don't have to worry about those. Obviously, whatever ship you take it should be covops capable because that gives you a much wider range of options when you run into trouble. Standard cloak is ok for hiding, but it's not that great when you are trying to be evasive.
Sure, those ships are expensive, but in Eve, you get what you pay for. However, first practice in cheap ships. So keep on flying cheap ships, but don't expect to make much of a profit. When you get reasonably confident, move on to more expensive stuff.
And yes, losing ships is a part of the game. But, play like you don't intend to lose a ship. It is actually really hard to catch someone who doesn't want to be caught and knows what they're doing. |

Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.07.10 11:02:00 -
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Here's another question, hijacking the OP's thread. I've seen mention of selling wormholes. This seems an obvious thing for an explorer to do, but I can't see that the wormhole location itself has much value. Presumably one has to scan down some of the stuff beyond... so, please, what makes a saleable package? |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2131
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Posted - 2014.07.10 11:17:00 -
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It's not about wormhole but about J system it leads to. So you would have to jump through wormhole and look around: what class it is, what kind of effects it has if any, how many planets/moons are there, are there any towers at moons and if yes, are they active and who is the owner, etc.
Wormhole itself won't last long so buying it wouldn't make much sense although I guess that would make for hilarious story to tell around camp fire :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Areen Sassel
3
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:00:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:It's not about wormhole but about J system it leads to. So you would have to jump through wormhole and look around: what class it is, what kind of effects it has if any, how many planets/moons are there, are there any towers at moons and if yes, are they active and who is the owner, etc. Wormhole itself won't last long so buying it wouldn't make much sense although I guess that would make for hilarious story to tell around camp fire :)
That makes more sense, but since indeed the wormhole itself won't last long, what good does it do the buyer to know that at one point I could get to system J-such-and-such via this wormhole?
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1163
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Posted - 2014.07.10 14:24:00 -
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Areen Sassel wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It's not about wormhole but about J system it leads to. So you would have to jump through wormhole and look around: what class it is, what kind of effects it has if any, how many planets/moons are there, are there any towers at moons and if yes, are they active and who is the owner, etc. Wormhole itself won't last long so buying it wouldn't make much sense although I guess that would make for hilarious story to tell around camp fire :) That makes more sense, but since indeed the wormhole itself won't last long, what good does it do the buyer to know that at one point I could get to system J-such-and-such via this wormhole? If the J-whatever system is valuable to a buyer, you sit in there until you sell it.
Then you find a convenient path to highsec and show it to the buyer, who then occupies the hole himself.
You're basically selling a path to a wh system that someone else is interested in, for whatever reason (usually to colonize it). |
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