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Asian God	Posted - 2006.06.22 03:53:00 - [1] So I was smartbombing with my apoc in Muttokon and ACHEM in Minmatar-Marines comes in a raven. I didn't want to fight so I just sat there at the gate with him. I'm pretty new to EVE so I don't know about all the corps and stuff. So he says an enemy Raven is coming through and he told me to put tight and take the fire while he shot at it. So I'm tanking the Raven's fire and ACHEM starts shooting me to so I warp out. ACHEM then tells me in local that he killed the Raven and wanted me to help pick up the loot lol. I check my scanner and sure enough to Ravens on the gate lol. So of course I don't go. Anti-pirates are the stupidest people I've ever seen in my short time in EVE. Real honest to. They aren't half the pilots pirates are.
Microsoft Sam	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:02:00 - [2] ugh
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl =============================================== Don't say to me over a forum what you wouldn't say to my face.
Thuggish DeliveryBoy	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:29:00 - [4] Edited by: Thuggish DeliveryBoy on 22/06/2006 04:29:32 lol Better than UPS
xeom	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:36:00 - [5] Silly silly Anti-pirates. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Xendie	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Scoundrelus a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. now that is QFT and amen to that. Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
Asian God	Posted - 2006.06.22 04:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Asian God on 22/06/2006 04:52:35 They even admit there dishonor and stupidity Asian God > bye Asian God > gonna save this convo Achem > show it to everyone in your corp Roxrox > It is no secret.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, There are some pretty awful pirates out there just the same as not all antipirates suck, some are very good
Alt Troll	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Alt Troll on 22/06/2006 08:24:49 antipirating only means selective pirating, and the ones that talk in local on end are the most annoying of all. most antipirates i've seen are smacktalkers with more money on their pvp ships then knowledge of how to pvp, but i'm biased. (smacktalking pirates are just as annoying though.) Originally by: Asian God I didn't want to fight so I just sat there at the gate with him. Anti-pirates are the stupidest people I've ever seen in my short time in EVE. Real honest to. They aren't half the pilots pirates are. that's a bit rich coming from someone who sits there with a potential hostile right there without engaging or warping. AND someone who announces outloud in public the system they frequently pirate in.
Grim Fantago	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:26:00 - [10] you cant judge all anti-pirates by only one case. I have met a lot of stupid pirates. Should i now go around and shout that pirates are the stupidest beings in EVE? Judge the person not whole population
rgii	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:27:00 - [11] There are dumb/lame/smacktalking anti-pirates just as there are dumb/lame/smacktalking pirates. No need to call all of them stupid though
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2006.06.22 08:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 22/06/2006 08:45:59 There are honerable Pirates, and dis-honerable pirates. There are honerable anti-pirates and dis-honerable anti-pirates To be perfectly fair, and I speak as an anti-pirate myself, it is more important for a pirate to keep his word than it is for an anti-pirate. This is because if a pirate breaks his word, people will stop trusting his randsoms and this effects his income. Other pirates will band together to take the oathbreaker out! If an anti-pirate breaks his word, people do not make that big a fuss. After all, he is seen as the hero rather than the villan, and his income is not effected by breaking his word. Heck, nobody would be any wiser as who would take the 'villans' word against the word of the 'hero'? I myself have no time for oathbreakers of any sort, but I can admit it can be harder for the pirate to live his life out. But thats part and parcel of the choice he made! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Mangold	Posted - 2006.06.22 09:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Mangold on 22/06/2006 09:14:16 Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, ROFL. I can prove you wrong on that topic easily. Edit: this almost has fun as the quote in Ikvar's sig.
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.06.22 09:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Kaleeb There are some pretty awful pirates out there just the same as not all antipirates suck, some are very good Kaleeb speaks the truth. Originally by: duffmantt the majority of -10's you meet will be highly skilled.
Verone	Posted - 2006.06.22 10:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Scoundrelus a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. This is probably the best, and most accurate statement i've ever seen on these forums VETO RECRUITMENT
hUssmann	Posted - 2006.06.22 11:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, There are some pretty awful pirates out there just the same as not all antipirates suck, some are very good All i ever do is QFT you on the forums kaleeb. ___________________________ Me Boss. You Not.
Voculus	Posted - 2006.06.22 11:56:00 - [17] Quote: Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, The worst thing about pirates are the egos.
Sangxianc	Posted - 2006.06.22 13:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Sangxianc on 22/06/2006 13:26:06 Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl 300 man fleet battles are rare, and the amount of kills gained from these pale in comparison to the small scale or solo combat that dominates 0.0 warfare 90% of the time. The distinction between the actual player skills and tactics used in piracy and regular PvP are blurred for the majority of the time. Degeneres animos timor arguit Fear reveals ignoble spirits
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.22 13:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Scoundrelus a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. This is probably the best, and most accurate statement i've ever seen on these forums Not really. Lag also kills in 1v1. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Garreck	Posted - 2006.06.22 13:46:00 - [20] Some interesting views on pirate hunters in here... But I suppose I'm happy to hide behind the misconception that I, as a pirate hunter, am little more than a disgruntled carebear with more isk than brains.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.22 13:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Scoundrelus a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. This is probably the best, and most accurate statement i've ever seen on these forums It doesn't even have to be 150 vs 150. I've been in fleet fights as small as 50 vs 50 where I was dead before my screen loaded: I didn't even get to see the lag, let alone the fight. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Wolfgang Jager	Posted - 2006.06.22 14:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Wolfgang Jager on 22/06/2006 14:24:42 Actually if we thought pirates we as unskilled, incopetent and incautious as most of the general population we wouldn't bother hunting them. Speaking for myself and most other pirate hunters I know, the whole reason we hunt pirates is that you are more of a challenge to find, corner and kill than newb hauler01. And anyone who talks smack is just a moron, regardless of profession.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.06.22 14:23:00 - [23] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 22/06/2006 14:24:08 ****
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.06.22 14:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 22/06/2006 14:26:30 Quote: Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, There are some very clever antipirates as there are pirates, but I wouldnt say pirates are the smartest and best pvpers in the game. On the other hand you get some very stupid pirates that sit at safes and go afk thinking they are safe, or anti pirates agressing someone thats -4.6 and then jumping back into secure space .
K'reemy G'udness	Posted - 2006.06.22 14:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Traxio Nacho On the other hand you get some very stupid pirates that sit at safes and go afk thinking they are safe ... Look, after a scary or exciting engagement, I need a smoke. And the wife won't let me smoke in the house. OMG I ♥ my mega
Thanos Mortis	Posted - 2006.06.22 15:33:00 - [26] Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Originally by: Traxio Nacho On the other hand you get some very stupid pirates that sit at safes and go afk thinking they are safe ... Look, after a scary or exciting engagement, I need a smoke. And the wife won't let me smoke in the house. QFT When choosing between two evils, I always choose the one I have never tried before.
Psycarne	Posted - 2006.06.22 15:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl Balls. Most pirates are barely what you could call pvpers, hunting pirates is a proffesion which requires more skill. I have played both as a pirate and pirate hunter, and I have seen no evidence that pirates are somehow inherently better pvpers. I've seen so many pirates that will back down from an actual fight and do nothing but gate gank all day. Pirate hunters are hunting people who have made running away into an art form, that requires a lot of skill. Which is why the incompetant ones stand out like a sore thumb. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
Mineral Inquisitor	Posted - 2006.06.22 16:30:00 - [28] I hate when people are @$$hats like that... There's no point to anti-piracy if you can't do it with the dignity and humanity that your prey lost (and in most cases, pirates are decent people, they just ruin the game experience for a choice few victims), otherwise you're just as bad as them.
Oni Seraph	Posted - 2006.06.22 17:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Asian God They aren't half the pilots pirates are. Somehow I just don't see how a smartbombing apoc fitted with stabs is any kind of a judge on the skill of a pilot.
Ehker Gerete	Posted - 2006.06.22 18:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Psycarne Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl Balls. Most pirates are barely what you could call pvpers, hunting pirates is a proffesion which requires more skill. I have played both as a pirate and pirate hunter, and I have seen no evidence that pirates are somehow inherently better pvpers. I've seen so many pirates that will back down from an actual fight and do nothing but gate gank all day. Pirate hunters are hunting people who have made running away into an art form, that requires a lot of skill. Which is why the incompetant ones stand out like a sore thumb. Some pirates do the "you-cant-count-how-many-stabs-i-have-on-my-aligned-sniping-megathron-170km-away-from-a-gate-popping-shuttles-and-running-from-anything-that-can-do-2-shield-damage" crap. But pirates who refuse to do actual fighting and just do that all day tend to get hated by the real pirates if they keep doing that and don't do some real fighting. I, personally, prefer when theres a challenge. It gets your heart pumping and adrenaline flowing. Ofc I gotta stop buying so many named mods for my ship. I keep podding my wallet rather than my victims. -------------- My ideas on balancing nosferatu
Convictus	Posted - 2006.06.22 19:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl Well, I do not disagree that 150 vs 150 hardly allows a pilot to demonstrate skill ( point , click , pop, repeat ), there is still a certain amount of strategy leading up to these engagements imo. 30 vs 30 would be a bit kinder on most machines though :p Also, your statement really depends on your definition of "smart pvp". If that means mostly ganks against ships not fitted for the task then sure. A gank is alot easier than a 1v1 duel where your opponent is fitted for the occasion :p And I do think most pirates will take people unprepared... Smart, maybe. Challening? I doubt it :p I am personally a fan of small gang pvp... The little I have been involved in (even the ganks or those fights where most people survive on both sides) have probably been my best pvp experience so far.
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.06.22 19:24:00 - [32] Original poster ftl. Generalising like that is just.. Sure there are stupid pies out there, same goes for anti-pies, and same goes for the rest of the human population. ________________________________________________ I survived Veto and all i got was this lame sig.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.06.22 19:33:00 - [33] I especially like it when the anti-pirates bust up gate camps. You're camping the gate with like 5 battleships, tanking sentries the whole time, and then they come in with 5 battleships (either fited for max dmg or ecm). Then when you warp away they smack, "They ran away as I expected, Pirates are only interested in ganking, they don't want a real fight"
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.06.22 22:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Pirates are only interested in ganking, they don't want a real fight" Well generally your pirating to make money so I wouldnt expect pirates to be interested in a fight unless there is some form of profit from it
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.23 00:25:00 - [35] I've been on both sides of this. As was said, theres clever and stupid ones on both sides of the law. At the end of the day theres anti-pies who do it because they all morally offended that a pirate stopped them hugging roids, then theres ones that do it to get some pvp. It's the latter you need to worry about.
JoeT	Posted - 2006.06.23 02:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 22/06/2006 04:27:58 Most Anti-pirates are disgruntled miners who have battleships. Its not that they're stupid, its that they think WE are. Pirates are the smartest and best PvPers in the game by far, and I don't give a damn what anyone says, a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. Pirates ftw Everyone else ftl That has been the best i ahve ever seen it written. --- Murder Murder, yes indeed, K-I-L-L-I-N-G
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.06.23 03:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Pirates are only interested in ganking, they don't want a real fight" Well generally your pirating to make money so I wouldnt expect pirates to be interested in a fight unless there is some form of profit from it Generally speaking, yeah, when pirating for pure isk, a real fight isn't desired. However, most pirates are up for anything close to a fair fight. But I laugh when the anti pirates say: We only brought 5 bs, you have 5 bs, so fight us... They commonly neglect to factor in that the pirates are tanking sentries already.
Michelle Deathmind	Posted - 2006.06.23 03:49:00 - [38] We get the same gist over in the macro pirate field. Idiots who will just go and attack anyone in a rookie corps without even bothering to hail the person. Then you have the professional, who the GMs know by name. ;)
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.06.23 06:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Psycarne Balls. Most pirates are barely what you could call pvpers, hunting pirates is a proffesion which requires more skill. I have played both as a pirate and pirate hunter, and I have seen no evidence that pirates are somehow inherently better pvpers. I've seen so many pirates that will back down from an actual fight and do nothing but gate gank all day. Pirate hunters are hunting people who have made running away into an art form, that requires a lot of skill. Which is why the incompetant ones stand out like a sore thumb. Yes hunting pirates takes more skill but that does not mean that anti-pirates are more skilled. Know why? Because pirates hunt pirates. When I lived in Khanid I killed WAY more pirates then I did innocent people. I have seen pirates go against the odds and come out on top numerous times. The people who sit at a gate ganking all day are just in it for the money really. I wouldn't even put them on the same list with pirates unless they actually DO go out and do proper pirating. Also note I was formerly anti-pirate so I've played both sides. No you cannot generalize any group. Speaking in absolutes instantly renders you wrong. There are some skilled anti-pirates. I just haven't met any yet. =============================================== Don't say to me over a forum what you wouldn't say to my face.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.06.23 10:07:00 - [40] So Scoundrelus with your logic here not only are you a disgrunlted miner who has a BS and suck but also one of the smartest pvpers in game? Btw Marko, Farjung afew of Ushra K to name a couple are very good anti pirates.
shadow saber	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:15:00 - [41] bah anti-pirates enjoy smacking i was killing 3 cruisers outside a station in a bs as u do then a anti pirate bs warped in so i warped away and he called me a cowardthat won't fight fair i fail to see how takin on 3 cruisers and sentries then a bs is a fair fight but hey anti pirates have some of the bigest ego's in eve
MeJulie	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:43:00 - [42] Theres 2 Types of pirates. Wreckless risk takers. Cautious ones. question is that the line between the Two is extremely fine. Pirates aint dumb, neither are antipirates. in My opinion Anti Pirate is a Greatly underestimated role in this game. After all Most Naughty boyz are -5 so you can shoot them any where. this game has far to many pirates and not enough antipirates.
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:08:00 - [43] It depends on the cause of Anti-Pirates. For example, some 0.4 systems are so secure, that anti-pirates warp in to help faster than concord could ever dream of. Then you have some 0.4's that are so unstable, that even pirates get pirated. Usualy, dead end 0.4 systems connected to empire are ones where anti-pirates defend, but outside of that, very few anti-pirates go out of their way to clean out pirates. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:38:00 - [44] You should make a distinction between the anti pirates who PvP as their primary profession (such as Celestial Apocalypse) and "anti pirates" who are the care bears in BSes who think that PvP is blobing with battleships. The first type can be very skilled. I can't speak for all PvP/Anti pirate corps, but I've fought Celes and they are very good fighters. I've also fought the latter type, and most of them are a joke. Don't generalize anti pirates as all sucky, as some of them aren't. Though I'm sure I'm also guilty of generalization, there must be a few bears in bses who are pretty good at PvP but they are incredibly rare and are the exception rather than the norm. I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
darth solo	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:40:00 - [45] what u prob came up against was miners/npcers looking for a pvp fix, just because they shot u doesnt mean they are anti-pirate. there are are no real anti-pirate corps in eve anymore and by anti pirate i mean PVPers that soley go after pirates, but u would have to be mad to do that, boooooooorrrring. do we really even have pirates and anti-pirates anymore... iv told long eneough that its just PVPers shooting eachother. and saying anti-pirates are the stupidist ppl eve only makes urself , ermm stupid.. u are a new player and would last 3 seconds against a skilled pilot. in fact id eject, start the fight 10km from my ship, board it and still beat ya. d solo.
Dinique	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Dinique on 23/06/2006 13:18:03 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Scoundrelus a 150 vs 150 fleet war is not PvP, its simply a war of who has the best internet connection. This is probably the best, and most accurate statement i've ever seen on these forums Well actually its wrong :P Its about who has the most powerful PCs :p And in fleet battles its not so much about the Pilots' skills as its the Fleet Commander. Best FC wins _____ There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
Achem	Posted - 2006.06.28 17:18:00 - [47] AsianGOD is an idiot. He got what he was asking for - to get shot at. You don't run your mouth about how you're a pirate in local and then whine when someone plays a trick (a basic one at that) on you and attacks you while you sit on a gate. Grow up buddy, I'm new too, I get killed all the time, YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME, besides, you have nothing to gripe about, we dropped scramblers when we got into your structure and let you go with a warning. MOST FOLKS DON'T GET OFF THAT EASY.
Midi Messiah	Posted - 2006.06.29 05:14:00 - [48] Originally by: shadow saber bah anti-pirates enjoy smacking i was killing 3 cruisers outside a station in a bs as u do then a anti pirate bs warped in so i warped away and he called me a cowardthat won't fight fair i fail to see how takin on 3 cruisers and sentries then a bs is a fair fight but hey anti pirates have some of the bigest ego's in eve Damn, I am tired of pirate stories. They are always battle-fit and attacking, yet when some other battle-fit ships appear - oh well, it's not fair. I can't even count number of times I've seen "I've attacked 5 cruisers alone!" types of messages, when it was supposed to mean "I've attacked 5 mining Ospreys alone". There are no "better or worse" pirates or anti-pirates. There are players with balls, and those without balls. Simple as that, and you can see them everywhere. In empire, in 0.0, in pirate corps, in mining corps. In SO many videos I've seen, you can see pirates attacking 2/3/4 vs 1/2 (granted, I've seen some most amazing lone inty/AF pirate videos too). Yet, in their stories it's always them tanking sentries alone, while 20 anti-pirate battleships are attacking them. Well, maybe there's a reason why "anti-pirates" attack in numbers? Maybe because they've been attacked in the same manner? For few weeks I've spent in PLACID, I have been only once engaged by lone pirate. And it was great fun, and great chat. Everything else was a 'group effort'. Lonetrek - always a group effort (hell, try attacking ANDE alone, and you'll have few more of them warping in within 30 seconds), but I did see lone pirate engaging lone anti-pirate. And then another pirate group warping in and killing both of them (real brave). Those with balls (and 'need to feel the rush') attack anytime/anywhere, those without are sneaky or go in groups. Simple as that, there are no other classifications.
Pruntyy	Posted - 2006.06.29 14:27:00 - [49] so after reading this topic i should get the conclusion that pirates are some ppl with skills...or atleast they are pretending to be. now plz tell me were are the skills when you get cought by 2,3,4,5,6,7, ships (good boys all) and you have all lvl1 stuff...or you got the warp stabiliser and you get chased like 13 jumps in the same system... and the loot (this is all what was for) is all tec1 stuff not even named, but gratz pirets was a good call
Ma'lice	Posted - 2006.06.29 14:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Midi Messiah There are no "better or worse" pirates or anti-pirates. There are players with balls, and those without balls. Simple as that, and you can see them everywhere. In empire, in 0.0, in pirate corps, in mining corps. Nice. QFT.

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