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CB Cyrix	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:36:00 - [31] Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! -GeoTech--Check Out My Blog-
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:39:00 - [32] imo on the bhaal it does mean tank cuz if i want dmg I'll get a geddon I'd use (don't have one) 6x mega pulse II 2x heavy nos faction AB, web, disrupt, DG multispectral, cap injector 2x core x-type LAR, 2x centum a-type EANM, 1x internal force field DCU, 1x HS, 1x 1600mm rolled
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:13:00 - [33] Lol, all other setups suggested pretty much suck, and alot of people did a bit too much of quickfitting and need to play the game a bit more Whine whine whine, sigs
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:29:00 - [34] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 23/06/2006 18:35:03 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 23/06/2006 10:01:13 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: LUKEC This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. You died to system-lords. Lol... Buhu, i tried to leeroy machariel in group of 6 bs. Plan was to die since i was claiming insurance(2d to run out), you idiot. I failed, but machariel ended in hull. And about pirate coalition... ask tiller . Anyway, the day you decide to reveal your main, i'll figth that uber setup of yours in t2 fitted domi. FFS, stupid posting problems. Your setup would look something similar to this. Hi: 6x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu or 8x 2x Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse or faction Med: 2x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Chelm's Modified Cap Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Dominaton Stasis Webifier Low: 2x Corpum A-Type EANM 3x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Reactor Control Unit II DG CPU You have enough cap to run the three repairer, resses are not bad but nothing to go nuts over. You'll drain your opponent's cap shortly causing the fuel running to your repairers to cut off.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( What? Ive said nothing mean so far that was not directed to the bhaalgorn.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 05:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition!
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 12:16:00 - [37] Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2006 12:17:12 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition! Actually was t1 domi and sentrys on your side & jernej was experimenting with his dual rep... never ever was his comment on it ... too bad we had 6 points(3 wasted slots, lol) on you instead few jammerz :) Anyway, there are officer cpus, officer rcus, and since i'd relay on sucking to keep full tank going... i'd fit backups instead of sensor boosters. And i'd fit a recharger or 2 if i'd be in "mara" buissness, cap charges are just pain. --------- Dead already?
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 18:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 18:51:45 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2006 12:17:12 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition! Actually was t1 domi and sentrys on your side & jernej was experimenting with his dual rep... never ever was his comment on it ... too bad we had 6 points(3 wasted slots, lol) on you instead few jammerz :) Anyway, there are officer cpus, officer rcus, and since i'd relay on sucking to keep full tank going... i'd fit backups instead of sensor boosters. And i'd fit a recharger or 2 if i'd be in "mara" buissness, cap charges are just pain. Backups as in ECCM? Use a ton of CPU, Im trying to keep the setup CPU friendly so you can fit the two Corpum A-Type and have 'Ok' resistences to compliment the triple armor repairers. And sentries were on my side but if their behavior is similar to the way I witness gate-ganking, your drones should have kept them off of you. It was a fun fight anyways, and maybe if I fitted ECM instead of three scrambles(trying to catch some stabbed up raven), I might have come out better. Though I think I will follow through with the.. Hi: 4x Dark Blood Nosferatus 4x Dual Heavy Pulse IIs Med: Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Domination Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy cap Booster Dark Blood Cap Recharger or Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Low: 2x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer 3x Centus X-Type Harderners Vizan's Modified Adaptive Nano Plating Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane With a low-grade or full-grade Talisman. The triple repairer setup looks enticing but the fact the capacitor simulation tool on Quickfit pretty much does not simulate realistic circumstances in combat when it comes to nosferatus. With 6x or 8x nosferatus you will find your opponent out of cap very quickly, thus the end of cap running toward your repairers unless he cap boosts. EDIT: And I dont fit stabs so yeah, six points was bit of a overkill.
Draec Sjet	Posted - 2006.06.24 19:46:00 - [39] seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.24 20:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Captain obvious, I salute you! Whine whine whine, sigs

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 20:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:06:00 - [42] my number crunching resulted in: 4x h. diminishing, 4x modulated dhp draclira's injector, 2x domi web, domi disruptor, ECCM - radar 3x corpum LAR, 3x corpum eanm, dmg control It fits with 3% cpu implant. For faction nosfs you need cpu or as kilrock noted above,3x hardeners+eanm+dc & 2x lar. Personally i'd still try to get 6x heavy nosf + 2x corpum med nosf/neut(if ingame)... but i'm to tired atm. With "only" dual lar i think i could get it on. --------- Dead already?
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:21:00 - [43] But with only four nosferatus you wont have enough capacitor to run the triple repairers. Unless you were planning to use the injector to help run the tank instead of a emergency fall-back if you're nossed or jammed(will the ECCM actually help?).
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Ark Xenon But with only four nosferatus you wont have enough capacitor to run the triple repairers. Unless you were planning to use the injector to help run the tank instead of a emergency fall-back if you're nossed or jammed(will the ECCM actually help?). 800 cap /900s is enough to run 2 all the time+3. occasionaly... ECCM helps reasonably:) There is also quite big capacitor to start with (5.5k before skills?) --------- Dead already?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic.
Ginaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:00:00 - [46] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. Probably he's using a Rattlesnake for fleet EW
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:11:00 - [47] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. And as always Hippoking makes his ever needed appearance in the thread, gracing our minds with his statements of upmost intelligience and importance. Wow who could have thought I would be able to wrap a year's worth of sarcasm into one sentence.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Ginaz Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. Probably he's using a Rattlesnake for fleet EW I love where I listed the fact that I would be using a bhaalgorn in fleet combat. And to be honest I have no idea where that poster presented his statement from. I dont see anywhere, where any of the posts in this topic were discussing the usefulness of faction ships in everyday blob-warfare. But for the sake of you being special, I will review the topic and try and find a point where I said, 'I want my bhaalgorn to tank a bajillion battleships in fleet combat and wtfpwn everyone!' No luck, sorry.
God forbid	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:26:00 - [49] Setup That does the Job done.. 4 Heavy Diminshing 4 Dual Heavy Pulse T2 1 Heavy Electrochecmical 1 Sensor Booster T2 1 Domination Warp Disruptor 1 Domination Stasis Web 1 'Hypnos' Multispectral 1 Corpus X-Type Large Armor repair 3 Centus A-Type Hardeners 1 Centum A-type EANM 1 Internal Force Field Array I 1 1600mm Rolled Plate Drone Bay. 5 Vespa EC-600 And 5 T2 Light. Quote: "He did not know, Who he was ******* with."
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 22:32:11 Originally by: Grimpak I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). You mean... 'Buhu, My 3billion faction fitted bhaalgorn would get utterly raped by a 1billion fitted vindicator or CNR or machariels which are solo pwnmobiles.'

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:31:00 - [51] Originally by: HippoKing Bhaal is not (at least IMO) meant to be a solo pwnmobile. It is not set up that way. Personally, I think it would shine most as an anti-capital ship 5 Nos, 3 Neuts and you will destroys a dread's tank in minutes Great point! With 5 nosferatus and 3 neutralizers and the DPS to maybe give a merlin's tank a beating. Bhaalgorns are great for anti-capital ships. But you would need ships around you which pretty much means a fleet which means you will pretty much be fighting another fleet unless the capital ship pilot is a noob, like Swaffer(or whatever that geeklabs guy's name is). So that would mean fleet combat which equals a big no no for faction ships because obviously everyone wants to shoot them before anything else in a blob fight. Hmmm....
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:54:00 - [52] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 22:54:29 Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! Well, Looks at 2x Heavy Diminishing atleast you didnt completely ignore the ship's bonuses. But I rather think inside the box, seeing the amount of Shields/Armor/Hull HP, the evident amount of cap. 7 lows slots and all. Because if your bhaalgorn above came into anything that could remotely be classified as concentrated fire then you would find your Bhaalgorn magically disappearing out from under you in seconds, even with your 560 dps. May I recommend fitting a webber, atleast a fleeting propulsion. Thats alot of EW aswell.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:14:00 - [53] I would personally be in love with the bhaal again if it had more cpu and the same drone bay as a geddon. The NOS+Web combo has such potential its ludicrious but really to be frank the only other route other then using it as a sniper or as I mentioned is in a role resembling a Curse.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. And as always Hippoking makes his ever needed appearance in the thread, gracing our minds with his statements of upmost intelligience and importance. Wow who could have thought I would be able to wrap a year's worth of sarcasm into one sentence. That didn't answer my post. I'm still waiting. Have you picked up the flaw yet?
Soros	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:24:00 - [55] Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: HippoKing Bhaal is not (at least IMO) meant to be a solo pwnmobile. It is not set up that way. Personally, I think it would shine most as an anti-capital ship 5 Nos, 3 Neuts and you will destroys a dread's tank in minutes Great point! With 5 nosferatus and 3 neutralizers and the DPS to maybe give a merlin's tank a beating. Bhaalgorns are great for anti-capital ships. But you would need ships around you which pretty much means a fleet which means you will pretty much be fighting another fleet unless the capital ship pilot is a noob, like Swaffer(or whatever that geeklabs guy's name is). So that would mean fleet combat which equals a big no no for faction ships because obviously everyone wants to shoot them before anything else in a blob fight. Hmmm.... Like I said, its not a solo pwnmobile. The role I suggested was based off using it to aid a POS defence: one bhaal makes the POS easily able to junk a dread group it would otherwise have no chance against. What about killing carriers? If you know what you are doing, it is possible to destroy a carrier's fighters. However, breaking carrier tanks is pretty damn hard without strong cap draining: a single bhaal would totally destroy its caps, letting a damage dealer wipe it out with ease.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Soros Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !! There isn't one, and no amount of elitism from them will change that. Click Above
Soros	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:21:00 - [58] Best possible setup allowed by the cpu and pg ?
hellwarrior	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:52:00 - [59] Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! that setup is worthless. get a dominix, tempest, raven, scorpion something...they do it better ECM wise, and can still put out dmg u pull that ina gang fight that gets u made primary and rocked in face.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Soros Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !! No, we just did some theoretical fitting, i do it old school on paper... and i pretty much know what works and what does not. So go number crunching with clear goal and you will see if it fits and if it doesn't. --------- Dead already?



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