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Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 00:10:00 - [1] Why does the Bhaalgorn suffer from so much CPU problems when other faction battleships holding similar CPU starting amounts do not. You hear stories of triple-rep tanking bhaalgorns and such but at the expense of what? Some claim the bhaalgorn to be one of the most effecient faction battleships but could it possibly be ranked as low in usefulness and effeciency as a nightmare? One of the main reasons that the nossadominix is so effecient in combat as it is, is because its alternate firepower source(its drones.) With the Bhaalgorn(Apocalypse with Nosferatu/Webbing Bonuses and extra mid-slot)'s horribly small drone bay you are ordered to rely on the majority of your firepower to come from the guns that you fit. As any Amarr user knows, lasers are about as good as how many heat sinks you fit in your low slots. And if you want to take full advantage of your Bhaalgorn's bonus than you will want to fit more than three of these nosferatus in your high slots. These nosferatus are your lifeline, arguebly they are what runs your ship's inner-workings. So with three or four nosferatus fitted on your bhaalgorn, that leaves you with four or five slots left to fit guns. So after that, you immediately know that your bhaalgorn will not be relying on firepower. Seriously, who would fit a ship that costs over 800m as a paper-thin damage dealer anyways? Ofcourse other ships are able to fit a decent tank and still deal heavy damage such as the vindicator(and cost less too ). So here you are, you and your new fancy Bhaalgorn, envy of the neighborhood? Nah. Because you now realize that you spent 800+ million ISK on a completely useless ship and no telling how much you will spend on the fitting, and if you're like me then you will spend tons. But now you are cornered to the option of heavily tanking, depending on the damage from your four guns and whatever drones you have mixed in your dronebay.(Preferably 7 T2 medium drones and one light because three Ogre IIs are easy to lose and thus missing a majority of your firepower very easily.). So you think, 'I need to tank this beast extreme like its meant to be tanked.' Depending on what guns you use, Mega Pulse, Dual Heavy Pulses, Heh you could even try autocannons for laugh since the only bonus on the ship regarding lasers is just a 50% cap reduction and autocannons use no cap and you are able to choose your damage. Only problems would be the ammo-use and the maybe slight damage decrease depending on skill. So lets throw this setup up. Hi: 4x Mega Pulse IIs 4x Dark Blood Nosferatus(Pros: 4.8km more than Best Named's range, But 10 more CPU <-- WTF?) Med: Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Domination Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy Capacitor Booster Dread Guristas ECM - MultiSpectral(ECM is overpowered. Is the 15 CPU worth the sake of 'Pimp-ness'? Yes it is.) Low: Vizan's Modified Large Armor Repairer 2x Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 3x Centus X-Type Armor Harderners(Kinetic, Explosive, Thermic). Dread Guristas Co-Processor <--- This folks is where the car wheels squeal to a screeching stop and a simultaneous 'WTF' is heard around the world. Why the Dread Guristas CPU, sir? You're wasting a perfectly good low slot. Is there not someway you could possibly alter your insanely expensive setup to be able to replace the CPU for a more credible mod and still retain the pimpness of your ship? Erm...No If we sum up the fitting reqs of the above setup with a player, with all fitting skills maxed and advance weapon upgrades IV and a -%3 CPU to all turrets implant. You will find this as your remaining powergrid and CPU. 1893 PG/ 31.64 CPU With the following fitting reqs of the previously stated setup. Continued
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 00:21:00 - [2] 2nd part coming soon
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 00:36:00 - [3] 3rd Part Coming soon
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 01:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 23/06/2006 01:12:46 Your bhaalgorn, that ship you wanted to pimp out. That heavy tanker that you heard stories of, that deadly avenger of the space lanes is in the end, a melted candle. You pay three billion ISK, you will not get three billion ISK worth of a ship. You will be finding yourself a dominant force in only your mind and in nother sense. Is there still time to repent from your mistake of buying and fitting such a useless piece of junk? /me presses the escrows and missions tab. Yes there is. See that vindicator there, that machariel? That navy raven? Sell your bhaalgorn, your modules and channel your cash unto one of those ships and you will recieve what you want for your money. Now lets place the bhaalgorn into the useless cabinet, along with the Nightmare and bellicose. The End
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.23 01:15:00 - [5] I know who you are... My vindicator woops your bhaalgorn Anyways, Yea. Bhaalgorn 4tl and stuff Whine whine whine, sigs
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.06.23 02:37:00 - [6] Your all mad. Vindicator has an extra mid but THE EXACT SAME GRID/CPU as a mega. Given that a blasterthron can only barely fit the slots it has what the hell good is a vindicator? The problem here aint " The Bhaalgorn is rubbish" its that " Faction bs are hideously overpriced, bragging rights only, god awful pieces of space rectum. " Fly one in pvp and u deserve to die.
Cruz	Posted - 2006.06.23 02:52:00 - [7] Your best bet is to use officer nano plates which use 0 cpu and give like 26% resists to all. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.23 03:18:00 - [8] Edited by: KilROCK on 23/06/2006 03:18:44 Originally by: fkingfurious Your all mad. Vindicator has an extra mid but THE EXACT SAME GRID/CPU as a mega. Given that a blasterthron can only barely fit the slots it has what the hell good is a vindicator? The problem here aint " The Bhaalgorn is rubbish" its that " Faction bs are hideously overpriced, bragging rights only, god awful pieces of space rectum. " Fly one in pvp and u deserve to die. I'd paste a little image saying you're clueless but im lazy so... i won't.. Whine whine whine, sigs
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 05:16:00 - [9] Bump
Galactic Magi	Posted - 2006.06.23 05:39:00 - [10] I dont like your Bhaalgorn setup. You got a lot of pimped out mods but still. Mainly because you ship is giving you so much cap through cap booster and those uber noses, and what are you using it in, 4 Mega pulse II ,a LAR and an ECM? Either fit more cap hungry module or get rid of some cap provider. An to the guy about Vindicator commnet, Chk its bonuses, you will know why its better then mega.

KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.23 06:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Galactic Magi I dont like your Bhaalgorn setup. You got a lot of pimped out mods but still. Mainly because you ship is giving you so much cap through cap booster and those uber noses, and what are you using it in, 4 Mega pulse II ,a LAR and an ECM? Either fit more cap hungry module or get rid of some cap provider. An to the guy about Vindicator commnet, Chk its bonuses, you will know why its better then mega. You skipped the whole CPU issue part or you're blind? If it wasn't for the co-processor, he'd have dual Rep. It would require downgrading the corpum a-type Energized adaptive nanos to Adaptive nano plating, which are kinda rare to find, well.. The officer ones. Whine whine whine, sigs
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.23 07:21:00 - [12] This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. --------- Dead already?
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 07:42:00 - [13] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 23/06/2006 07:43:22 Setup Update Take a low-grade Talisman Set, -5% Turret Cap Reduction Hardwiring. Maybe involve a Damnation with armoured warfare links, increase in DPS soakage and 24% resistences with decent skills stacked unto the Bhaalgorn's current resistences. 15% atleast with bad skills. 31% Completely maxxed out. So taking a even more expensive approach to this setup we are looking at. Hi: 4x True Sansha Heavy Nosferatus 4x Dual Heavy Pulse Laser IIs Med: Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Domination Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy Heavy Cap Booster Dark Blood Cap Recharger Or Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Low: 2x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer 3x Centus X-Type Harderners Vizan's Modified Adaptive Nano Plating(Could try going for a Chelm's or Cormack but expect to dish out insane amounts of cash for them) Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Pretty decent resists, Dual Core-X Repairers and with the Low-Grade Talisman and the Dark Blood Recharger(If you want to fit that instead of a sensor booster) you will have plenty of cap to run the tank and the rest of your modules especially with the cap reduction hardwiring. And the cap injector to handle any and many nosferatu pilots you will encounter. Holds up recruitment sign for a corporation who possesses a Damnation Pilot with decent skills and armoured warfare mods to be personal co-pilot and slave and accept a daily back whipping without complaints
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 07:49:00 - [14] Originally by: LUKEC This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. You died to system-lords. Lol...
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: LUKEC This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. You died to system-lords. Lol... wtf I go away for a week and there are stupid alt trolls in ships and mods
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:15:00 - [16] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 08:22:08 Originally by: Ark Xenon You died to system-lords. Lol... But he has a point....why are you running 4x Faction NOS with ship bonuses, AND a Faction Cap Booster? You've got....what....+50% NOS Drain ammount from the Ship Bonus, so those 4 Faction NOS on that Bhallgorn, run like the equivalent of 6 on another ship.....but as far as I can see, you've only one rep and 4x Dual Heavy Pulse to run off that insane ammount of CAP racharge. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:38:00 - [17] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 23/06/2006 08:39:18 Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 08:22:08 Originally by: Ark Xenon You died to system-lords. Lol... But he has a point....why are you running 4x Faction NOS with ship bonuses, AND a Faction Cap Booster? You've got....what....+50% NOS Drain ammount from the Ship Bonus, so those 4 Faction NOS on that Bhallgorn, run like the equivalent of 6 on another ship.....but as far as I can see, you've only one rep and 4x Dual Heavy Pulse to run off that insane ammount of CAP racharge. Thats weird because I see 4x Dual Heavy Pulse, all the tackling modules, the dual core x-type repairers and the three centus x-type harderners. Which if you read my above post you would see that 4x faction heavy nosferatus(only a range/not consumption increase from the best named)would be able to handle all of the above with a nice low-grade talisman and with that the cap reduction hardwiring is not needed, but without low-grade talisman your capacitor will have a hard time keeping your tank running constantly. So you ask, 'still why do you need a heavy cap booster when the nosferatus pull enough cap to run your tank'. Pretty much, having nosferatus as your main capacitor increase source has its downsides. A major downside of that is EW, if you're unable to target then what do you rely on to keep your tank holding long enough for you to possibly regain lock? Yes, a capacitor booster. If you find yourself victim to two or more nossing ships that are disrupting the capacitor flow coming into your tank? What works best to keep the cap flowing your tank running enough to outnos and kill the opponents? Yes, a capictor booster.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:41:00 - [18] The Bhaalgorn can bbe a good ship but at the end of the day you end up spending billions of isk to kit out a ship that basically does what a Nosdomi or Megathron do for a fraction of the price you pay for a bhaalgorn. Admitedly a bhaal tho if you spend the isk is probably the only amar based ship that stands a shot at killing a bthron.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:44:00 - [19] It could use more base CPU, but I can fit a decent and relatively cheap fit using just a Co-Proc II and has almost 450 DPS on hull. Click Above
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Eximius Josari It could use more base CPU, but I can fit a decent and relatively cheap fit using just a Co-Proc II and has almost 450 DPS on hull. Mind sharing this setup?

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Lucian Alucard The Bhaalgorn can bbe a good ship but at the end of the day you end up spending billions of isk to kit out a ship that basically does what a Nosdomi or Megathron do for a fraction of the price you pay for a bhaalgorn. This pretty much sums it up right there.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.06.23 08:51:00 - [22] 5x Dual Heavy Pulse II (conflag L), 3x Heavy Nos II 2x Webs, 1x ECCM II (or ECM if you feel frisky), 1x Heavy Cap Booster II (tho this can be replaced with AB II and still have nice cap endurance), Sensor Booster II 2x Large Rep II, 3 EANM II, 1x HS II, 1x CoProc II Don't forget the drones. It will have 2.75 CPU left with above setup and max skills (no implants needed). Click Above
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.23 09:57:00 - [23] Edited by: LUKEC on 23/06/2006 10:01:13 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: LUKEC This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. You died to system-lords. Lol... Buhu, i tried to leeroy machariel in group of 6 bs. Plan was to die since i was claiming insurance(2d to run out), you idiot. I failed, but machariel ended in hull. And about pirate coalition... ask tiller . Anyway, the day you decide to reveal your main, i'll figth that uber setup of yours in t2 fitted domi. --------- Dead already?
Copine Callmeknau	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:24:00 - [24] Bhaalgorn Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration L] Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration L] Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration L] Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration L] Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster AGM I Capacitor Charge Array Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Vizan's Modified Large Armor Repairer Vizan's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Valkyrie II Valkyrie II Valkyrie II Valkyrie II Valkyrie II Warrior II Warrior II Warrior II Warrior II Warrior II 8695 shield, 14.49/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 14700 armor, E/T/K/Ex=74/84/82/81 6900.0 cap, +27.72/s, -101.573/s 143.75 m/s 258.4 DPS I only had one CPU issue, and this can be seen in the 5'th midslot (the top named basic cap charger), I think the ship could do with a CPU increase, but it's still decent as it is. Runs everything for 263 seconds (4 and a half minutes). 208 hp per second from the reps (218.4 with repair amount implants) If you have lots of cash (which you do), use a slave implant set and the other armour HP implant and you will have 23373 armour HP. ------- See the idiot walk, see the idiot talk
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:30:00 - [25] I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Keta Min on 23/06/2006 12:32:03 Originally by: Grimpak I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). but against a vindicator or CNR with precision cruise/torps you would?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:44:00 - [27] Bhaal is not (at least IMO) meant to be a solo pwnmobile. It is not set up that way. Personally, I think it would shine most as an anti-capital ship 5 Nos, 3 Neuts and you will destroys a dread's tank in minutes
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Keta Min Edited by: Keta Min on 23/06/2006 12:32:03 Originally by: Grimpak I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). but against a vindicator or CNR with precision cruise/torps you would? Yeah i'd take it vs vindicator:P Any day. But with a little different setup, 6 heavy nosfs on ordinary bs wreck cap, on bhaal vindicator wont shoot much, unless it has like 3 injectors. --------- Dead already?
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:49:00 - [29] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Keta Min Edited by: Keta Min on 23/06/2006 12:32:03 Originally by: Grimpak I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). but against a vindicator or CNR with precision cruise/torps you would? Yeah i'd take it vs vindicator:P Any day. But with a little different setup, 6 heavy nosfs on ordinary bs wreck cap, on bhaal vindicator wont shoot much, unless it has like 3 injectors. my response was to that comment about bhaalgorn being good against smaller support which actually has a way shorter life expectancy vs other faction BS's.
Farjung	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:32:00 - [30] So mean Trepkos :( --- Wave of Mutilation 2

CB Cyrix	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:36:00 - [31] Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! -GeoTech--Check Out My Blog-
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:39:00 - [32] imo on the bhaal it does mean tank cuz if i want dmg I'll get a geddon I'd use (don't have one) 6x mega pulse II 2x heavy nos faction AB, web, disrupt, DG multispectral, cap injector 2x core x-type LAR, 2x centum a-type EANM, 1x internal force field DCU, 1x HS, 1x 1600mm rolled
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:13:00 - [33] Lol, all other setups suggested pretty much suck, and alot of people did a bit too much of quickfitting and need to play the game a bit more Whine whine whine, sigs
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:29:00 - [34] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 23/06/2006 18:35:03 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 23/06/2006 10:01:13 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: LUKEC This setup looks like: Ok i found dg ecm in hangar, let's stick it on... i found amarr navy injector, lets stick that on also... Seriously, if you want a good setup, THINK first, fit on paper and come back. Basicly it is crapboat of massive proportions now, however in gangs it might have worked ok untill they reduced cap use on acs(basicly you can shut down 3 b.ships by removing their cap)... Now what you really want: 5-6 nosfs(to beat injector ships fast), 3x LAR, officer injector and maybe backup or two on med slots, web. But you are ofc. trying to create solo pwnmobile, an attempt that will fail with most ships. Get rid of ecm, drop t2 guns for faction/named(yes it sucks) and come back. You died to system-lords. Lol... Buhu, i tried to leeroy machariel in group of 6 bs. Plan was to die since i was claiming insurance(2d to run out), you idiot. I failed, but machariel ended in hull. And about pirate coalition... ask tiller . Anyway, the day you decide to reveal your main, i'll figth that uber setup of yours in t2 fitted domi. FFS, stupid posting problems. Your setup would look something similar to this. Hi: 6x Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu or 8x 2x Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse or faction Med: 2x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Chelm's Modified Cap Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Dominaton Stasis Webifier Low: 2x Corpum A-Type EANM 3x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Reactor Control Unit II DG CPU You have enough cap to run the three repairer, resses are not bad but nothing to go nuts over. You'll drain your opponent's cap shortly causing the fuel running to your repairers to cut off.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( What? Ive said nothing mean so far that was not directed to the bhaalgorn.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 05:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition!
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 12:16:00 - [37] Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2006 12:17:12 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition! Actually was t1 domi and sentrys on your side & jernej was experimenting with his dual rep... never ever was his comment on it ... too bad we had 6 points(3 wasted slots, lol) on you instead few jammerz :) Anyway, there are officer cpus, officer rcus, and since i'd relay on sucking to keep full tank going... i'd fit backups instead of sensor boosters. And i'd fit a recharger or 2 if i'd be in "mara" buissness, cap charges are just pain. --------- Dead already?
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 18:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 18:51:45 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2006 12:17:12 Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Farjung So mean Trepkos :( You're the one picking on pirate coalition! Actually was t1 domi and sentrys on your side & jernej was experimenting with his dual rep... never ever was his comment on it ... too bad we had 6 points(3 wasted slots, lol) on you instead few jammerz :) Anyway, there are officer cpus, officer rcus, and since i'd relay on sucking to keep full tank going... i'd fit backups instead of sensor boosters. And i'd fit a recharger or 2 if i'd be in "mara" buissness, cap charges are just pain. Backups as in ECCM? Use a ton of CPU, Im trying to keep the setup CPU friendly so you can fit the two Corpum A-Type and have 'Ok' resistences to compliment the triple armor repairers. And sentries were on my side but if their behavior is similar to the way I witness gate-ganking, your drones should have kept them off of you. It was a fun fight anyways, and maybe if I fitted ECM instead of three scrambles(trying to catch some stabbed up raven), I might have come out better. Though I think I will follow through with the.. Hi: 4x Dark Blood Nosferatus 4x Dual Heavy Pulse IIs Med: Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Domination Warp Disrupter Domination Stasis Webifier Amarr Navy cap Booster Dark Blood Cap Recharger or Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster Low: 2x Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer 3x Centus X-Type Harderners Vizan's Modified Adaptive Nano Plating Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane With a low-grade or full-grade Talisman. The triple repairer setup looks enticing but the fact the capacitor simulation tool on Quickfit pretty much does not simulate realistic circumstances in combat when it comes to nosferatus. With 6x or 8x nosferatus you will find your opponent out of cap very quickly, thus the end of cap running toward your repairers unless he cap boosts. EDIT: And I dont fit stabs so yeah, six points was bit of a overkill.
Draec Sjet	Posted - 2006.06.24 19:46:00 - [39] seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.24 20:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Captain obvious, I salute you! Whine whine whine, sigs

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 20:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:06:00 - [42] my number crunching resulted in: 4x h. diminishing, 4x modulated dhp draclira's injector, 2x domi web, domi disruptor, ECCM - radar 3x corpum LAR, 3x corpum eanm, dmg control It fits with 3% cpu implant. For faction nosfs you need cpu or as kilrock noted above,3x hardeners+eanm+dc & 2x lar. Personally i'd still try to get 6x heavy nosf + 2x corpum med nosf/neut(if ingame)... but i'm to tired atm. With "only" dual lar i think i could get it on. --------- Dead already?
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:21:00 - [43] But with only four nosferatus you wont have enough capacitor to run the triple repairers. Unless you were planning to use the injector to help run the tank instead of a emergency fall-back if you're nossed or jammed(will the ECCM actually help?).
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Ark Xenon But with only four nosferatus you wont have enough capacitor to run the triple repairers. Unless you were planning to use the injector to help run the tank instead of a emergency fall-back if you're nossed or jammed(will the ECCM actually help?). 800 cap /900s is enough to run 2 all the time+3. occasionaly... ECCM helps reasonably:) There is also quite big capacitor to start with (5.5k before skills?) --------- Dead already?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.24 21:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic.
Ginaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:00:00 - [46] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. Probably he's using a Rattlesnake for fleet EW
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:11:00 - [47] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. And as always Hippoking makes his ever needed appearance in the thread, gracing our minds with his statements of upmost intelligience and importance. Wow who could have thought I would be able to wrap a year's worth of sarcasm into one sentence.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Ginaz Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. Probably he's using a Rattlesnake for fleet EW I love where I listed the fact that I would be using a bhaalgorn in fleet combat. And to be honest I have no idea where that poster presented his statement from. I dont see anywhere, where any of the posts in this topic were discussing the usefulness of faction ships in everyday blob-warfare. But for the sake of you being special, I will review the topic and try and find a point where I said, 'I want my bhaalgorn to tank a bajillion battleships in fleet combat and wtfpwn everyone!' No luck, sorry.
God forbid	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:26:00 - [49] Setup That does the Job done.. 4 Heavy Diminshing 4 Dual Heavy Pulse T2 1 Heavy Electrochecmical 1 Sensor Booster T2 1 Domination Warp Disruptor 1 Domination Stasis Web 1 'Hypnos' Multispectral 1 Corpus X-Type Large Armor repair 3 Centus A-Type Hardeners 1 Centum A-type EANM 1 Internal Force Field Array I 1 1600mm Rolled Plate Drone Bay. 5 Vespa EC-600 And 5 T2 Light. Quote: "He did not know, Who he was ******* with."
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 22:32:11 Originally by: Grimpak I think the guy realy want to say "buuhuu I can't make a solo pwnmobile with my faction fitted bhaalgorn"? ...tbh the ship's nice in gangs due to it's anti-support abilities (wouldn't want to go against a bhaal in a cruiser or smaller that's for sure). You mean... 'Buhu, My 3billion faction fitted bhaalgorn would get utterly raped by a 1billion fitted vindicator or CNR or machariels which are solo pwnmobiles.'

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:31:00 - [51] Originally by: HippoKing Bhaal is not (at least IMO) meant to be a solo pwnmobile. It is not set up that way. Personally, I think it would shine most as an anti-capital ship 5 Nos, 3 Neuts and you will destroys a dread's tank in minutes Great point! With 5 nosferatus and 3 neutralizers and the DPS to maybe give a merlin's tank a beating. Bhaalgorns are great for anti-capital ships. But you would need ships around you which pretty much means a fleet which means you will pretty much be fighting another fleet unless the capital ship pilot is a noob, like Swaffer(or whatever that geeklabs guy's name is). So that would mean fleet combat which equals a big no no for faction ships because obviously everyone wants to shoot them before anything else in a blob fight. Hmmm....
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.24 22:54:00 - [52] Edited by: Ark Xenon on 24/06/2006 22:54:29 Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! Well, Looks at 2x Heavy Diminishing atleast you didnt completely ignore the ship's bonuses. But I rather think inside the box, seeing the amount of Shields/Armor/Hull HP, the evident amount of cap. 7 lows slots and all. Because if your bhaalgorn above came into anything that could remotely be classified as concentrated fire then you would find your Bhaalgorn magically disappearing out from under you in seconds, even with your 560 dps. May I recommend fitting a webber, atleast a fleeting propulsion. Thats alot of EW aswell.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:14:00 - [53] I would personally be in love with the bhaal again if it had more cpu and the same drone bay as a geddon. The NOS+Web combo has such potential its ludicrious but really to be frank the only other route other then using it as a sniper or as I mentioned is in a role resembling a Curse.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: Draec Sjet seems a bit of a moot point; use a faction bs in a fleet and you'll be primaried instantly. Same with the scorpion but people still fly them. I'm just going to sit here till you realise the flaw in this piece of logic. And as always Hippoking makes his ever needed appearance in the thread, gracing our minds with his statements of upmost intelligience and importance. Wow who could have thought I would be able to wrap a year's worth of sarcasm into one sentence. That didn't answer my post. I'm still waiting. Have you picked up the flaw yet?
Soros	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:24:00 - [55] Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 10:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Ark Xenon Originally by: HippoKing Bhaal is not (at least IMO) meant to be a solo pwnmobile. It is not set up that way. Personally, I think it would shine most as an anti-capital ship 5 Nos, 3 Neuts and you will destroys a dread's tank in minutes Great point! With 5 nosferatus and 3 neutralizers and the DPS to maybe give a merlin's tank a beating. Bhaalgorns are great for anti-capital ships. But you would need ships around you which pretty much means a fleet which means you will pretty much be fighting another fleet unless the capital ship pilot is a noob, like Swaffer(or whatever that geeklabs guy's name is). So that would mean fleet combat which equals a big no no for faction ships because obviously everyone wants to shoot them before anything else in a blob fight. Hmmm.... Like I said, its not a solo pwnmobile. The role I suggested was based off using it to aid a POS defence: one bhaal makes the POS easily able to junk a dread group it would otherwise have no chance against. What about killing carriers? If you know what you are doing, it is possible to destroy a carrier's fighters. However, breaking carrier tanks is pretty damn hard without strong cap draining: a single bhaal would totally destroy its caps, letting a damage dealer wipe it out with ease.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Soros Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !! There isn't one, and no amount of elitism from them will change that. Click Above
Soros	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:21:00 - [58] Best possible setup allowed by the cpu and pg ?
hellwarrior	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:52:00 - [59] Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 23/06/2006 13:42:01 NOS bonus dont always mean TANK man, think outside the box, I use: 2x Heavy Diminishing NOS 6x Mega Pulse II + Conflag 1x Fleeting Scram 20km 3x Hypnos Multi ECM 1x Sensor Booster II 2x Heatsink II 2x Radar Backup Array (best named) 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Rep II + drones 560 DPS raw (not including drones) Runs forever for me, class for pvp! that setup is worthless. get a dominix, tempest, raven, scorpion something...they do it better ECM wise, and can still put out dmg u pull that ina gang fight that gets u made primary and rocked in face.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Soros Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 10:24:47 Lukec and Kilrock .. You always seem to think you know everything ..maybe you do .. but as i have seen in this topic you never suggest any alternate setups so people have nothing else to do but carry on with their current fit .. So please enlighten us into the perfect bhaalgorn setup !! No, we just did some theoretical fitting, i do it old school on paper... and i pretty much know what works and what does not. So go number crunching with clear goal and you will see if it fits and if it doesn't. --------- Dead already?

Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:13:00 - [61] I denounce this thread in the name of hugs. Click Me Awww, so cute. That picture makes me so hungry. kekekekekeke!!!
Ed Gein	Posted - 2006.06.27 06:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Ark Xenon 'Buhu, My 3billion faction fitted bhaalgorn would get utterly raped by a 1billion fitted vindicator or CNR or machariels which are solo pwnmobiles.' My machariel didn't come with the pwnmobile section in the user manual. Bhaalgorn is surprisingly better with tech 2 large autocannons, and it looks cool on the ship. Not to mention it sort of carries with the theme.
Alupigus1	Posted - 2006.06.27 08:10:00 - [63] here you go LUKEC 4 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator 4 x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain 2 x Domination Warp Disruptor 1 x Domination Web 1 x Conjunctive I Radar ECCM Scanning Array (+96% radar) 1 x Sensor Booster II 2 x Core-X LAR 3 x Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano 1 x 1600 Tungsten 1 x Internal Force Field Array I Fits with ZERO cpu and 263 pg left (according to QuickFit), 15k armor with 75%+ all resistances, 9.3k hull at 55%+ resistance, 41+ RADAR strength. Drop in a low Talisman set and that's it.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.27 08:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Alupigus1 here you go LUKEC 4 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator 4 x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain 2 x Domination Warp Disruptor 1 x Domination Web 1 x Conjunctive I Radar ECCM Scanning Array (+96% radar) 1 x Sensor Booster II 2 x Core-X LAR 3 x Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano 1 x 1600 Tungsten 1 x Internal Force Field Array I Fits with ZERO cpu and 263 pg left (according to QuickFit), 15k armor with 75%+ all resistances, 9.3k hull at 55%+ resistance, 41+ RADAR strength. Drop in a low Talisman set and that's it. Sounds like setup that runs out of cap as soon as you press f1-f8 and activate hardeners. (well not really, since nosfs drain 600 cap/cycle, but neuts still use ~1500, but there are reppers that also use alot of cap :) ). And another thing... if ishtar or cerb find you with such setup, you can say goodbye to 2 billions :) --------- Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized.
Alupigus1	Posted - 2006.06.27 08:22:00 - [65] it's not intend to go solo.. not in a million years.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2006.06.27 09:37:00 - [66] I doubt that the bhaalgorn is a good solo killer, maybe for belt pirating in low sec but not in 0.0 (frig gank fleets). Its better used in groups but not in fleetbattles. Originally by: Lucian Alucard I would personally be in love with the bhaal again if it had more cpu and the same drone bay as a geddon. The NOS+Web combo has such potential its ludicrious but really to be frank the only other route other then using it as a sniper or as I mentioned is in a role resembling a Curse. I suggested that before and it would up the dps with 5x T2 heavy drones above balancing level. The bhaalgorn is like an apoc with 5 mids, nos and web bonus and almost as good in cap. I use my bhaal for missions and it does a very good job there cuz its too expensive for pvp Imo. For pvp, I would use it in a small gang with some ECM support so I can use more guns and some nos and a good tank. Ship lovers click here
Shock Wave	Posted - 2006.06.27 09:48:00 - [67] TRAIN ADVANCE WEPON UPGRADES LEVEL V. it will help u alot!


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