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Stephar	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:22:00 - [1] Joe Alliance can mine truckloads of mercoxit, he can claim the bounties of thousands of rat battleships, he can earns tons of LP's running level 4 missions in 0.0 space, he can be part of an alliance which controls hundreds of solar systems, he can network and find a slot in a group that farms 10/10 complexes, he can become a seasoned pvp'er and align himself with similarly-skilled pilots and fly around ganking noobs... But if he gets podded once, he'll earn fewer skillpoints than Joe Empire. And that's the main reason I'm still in empire. I've got a moderate amount of ISK, but can't fly anything that costs more than pocket change. I could venture off to 0.0, maybe make more ISK than I do today... but why would I when I don't have the skillpoints to use that ISK? It's possible to jump in a battleship within a couple of months, but it takes many more to train the necessary supplemental skills to fly a battleship properly. And if we're talking T2 equipment, or even better, T2 ships... well that takes even more skillpoints. From what I've read on the forums, if your first goal in the game is to fly a battleship, you'd need somewhere in the region of 8 millions SP's to do so adequately. How long does it take to get that many SP's? About 7 months? Isn't it interesting that the average EVE player plays for about 7 months? That means that a good half of the population has a skillpoint deficiency... and the quickest way to remedy that shortcoming is to protect your implants and hump veldspar in empire. Until CCP makes it so that you can earn skillpoints faster in 0.0 than empire, a lot of folks like myself are going to keep hanging in high security.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:24:00 - [2] Your loss I guess
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 13:34:56 There's Lvl 4 Agents in 0.0? OP, I wouldnt get so hung up on the size of your SP's. While its great to have tons of SP's and +4 implants in Empire, theres no PvP, personally I wouldnt find that fun. Also due to the lack of PvP if you were to put up an Empire Carebear who thinks he is the dogs balls because he can solo Lvl 4's in 3.02 minutes flat, up against a 0.0 PvP'er or an all out pirate, in a fight, the Empire Carebear is going to lose his ship, his mods and his implants. That 5% difference the EMpire dweller had from training a few extra skills to Lvl 5 over the no-implanted 0.0 dweller, is going to count for nothing against a pilot who knows what hes doing. Anyway...combat boosters are coming with Kali. I predict all 0.0 residents will become Booster junkies, I know I will if they are cheap enough. Be shovelling them down my throat like candy if I can afford to. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Stephar Until CCP makes it so that you can earn skillpoints faster in 0.0 than empire, a lot of folks like myself are going to keep hanging in high security. Ok. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Blue Dice	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Stephar From what I've read on the forums, if your first goal in the game is to fly a battleship, you'd need somewhere in the region of 8 millions SP's to do so adequately. Just make your first goal of the game to have fun, and you'll worry much less, be it about ISK, Implants, or flying a BS instead of this funny frig. _________________________________________ Commander! We are surrounded! - Great, so we can shoot into any direction!
Stephar	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Twilight Moon There's Lvl 4 Agents in 0.0? Yep.
Stephar	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Blue Dice Just make your first goal of the game to have fun, and you'll worry much less, be it about ISK, Implants, or flying a BS instead of this funny frig. Oh I'm having fun, I just think a lot of people misunderstand the reasons why some of us hang in empire. Everybody has a carrot that attracts them, be it wealth, power, glory, experience, intelligence... or skillpoints. For me, the attraction is skillpoints. Until that changes, I'll stay where the skillpoints are most plentiful: empire.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:35:00 - [8] Your loss. Enjoy the veldspar humping.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 13:38:35 Originally by: Stephar Oh I'm having fun, I just think a lot of people misunderstand the reasons why some of us hang in empire. Everybody has a carrot that attracts them, be it wealth, power, glory, experience, intelligence... or skillpoints. For me, the attraction is skillpoints. Until that changes, I'll stay where the skillpoints are most plentiful: empire. Personally i think you are making the game too much about skillpoints and it might be preventing you from developing in it. When you have 48 million skillpoints after 4 years, im pretty certain you wont miss the 1 million you didnt get because you died a little. Edit: And that implies losing 1 month of training time in those 4 years just from getting killed, which is very, very worst case scenario. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:37:00 - [10] P.S. You can buy a +3 for pretty much every 2 hours you are in 0.0 Exactly how often do you think people get podded?
Maximillian Pele	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:04:00 - [11] Jump clones FTW!
Commander MZ	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:13:00 - [12] The thinking that all of 0.0 is lined with gold is so wrong (have you ever been to syndicate), I could make 10x more Isk in empire grinding level 4 missions, but I choose 0.0 for the fun
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Deja Thoris P.S. You can buy a +3 for pretty much every 2 hours you are in 0.0 Exactly how often do you think people get podded? Empire people tend to think that 0.0 people are getting killed more often then they are when they haul their stuff through lowsec =p Fact is .. i am a very young character and i am currently living in 0.0 solo on my own sometimes with a corp/RL mate, but mostly solo and with a bit of brain you will actually never get podded unless you happen to accidently run into a fleet. On a sidenote i must admit that i am using jumpclones to jump in and out of my implants mainly to travel from 0.0 to empire, but that does not change the fact that i have yet to be podded in 0.0 (that is after 2 month of 0.0 straight) ---------------------------------------- Hello "pirates"! Pillage and blow up stuff = PIRATE! Ask strangers for money = BEGGAR!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Commander MZ The thinking that all of 0.0 is lined with gold is so wrong (have you ever been to syndicate), I could make 10x more Isk in empire grinding level 4 missions, but I choose 0.0 for the fun Syndicate is the Wild West of EvE. Going to syndicate for a peaceful life is
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Maximillian Pele Jump clones FTW! I think they are too awkward with the 24 hour cooldown on them. Also, Im not sure its worth bothering with +4 and +5 implants. Training time isnt everything and i think those +2 extra points compared to +3 implants doesnt really give more than 30 minutes faster training per 24 hrs or so. You gain about a extra million sp per year. Note that im very much guessing here. Im sure someone can run the math on it to be sure, but i doubt its very significant. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Commander MZ The thinking that all of 0.0 is lined with gold is so wrong (have you ever been to syndicate), I could make 10x more Isk in empire grinding level 4 missions, but I choose 0.0 for the fun Fair enough. The point that so many 0.0 dwellers completely fail to understand, is that a lot of us choose empire for the fun. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Death Merchant	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Commander MZ The thinking that all of 0.0 is lined with gold is so wrong (have you ever been to syndicate), I could make 10x more Isk in empire grinding level 4 missions, but I choose 0.0 for the fun Fair enough. The point that so many 0.0 dwellers completely fail to understand, is that a lot of us choose empire for the fun. Its just that Ive been in empire and 0.0. and I must have missed the "fun" empire area. From the blob on the map Im thinking it must be around Jita? Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:32:00 - [18] I really wish people would stop trying to convince each other that their playing style is the more 'fun' way, for my part everybody is free to play this game as they like as long as it is within the rules of CCP and they don't try to force it on others. Why would i not play my game in empire if i choose to do so? If others choose to play in 0.0 well good for them, i hope they have as much fun as i have Banner will be updated shortly
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Death Merchant Its just that Ive been in empire and 0.0. and I must have missed the "fun" empire area. From the blob on the map Im thinking it must be around Jita? Well maybe - just maybe - some other people don't have exactly the same mindset as you do, and find different things fun from what you do. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:34:00 - [20] I have characters in 0.0, and some in Empire. I like both places... Some days I like to kick back and play for a few hrs in Empire with very little risk. Some days I like fleet ops and POS killing, or whatever... That's the beauty of having multiple accounts IMO... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Cheyenne Shadowborn	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Deja Thoris Your loss. Enjoy the veldspar humping. Yeah ... but does the Veldspar enjoy it, too? ----------------------------------------------------- "At least freelancer keeps the physics realistic." -- SINKFIST
Tyrus Ex	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:42:00 - [22] Edited by: Tyrus Ex on 23/06/2006 14:42:47 "Joe Empire earns more SP's than Joe Alliance" Small price to pay for the priviledge of enjoying what is truly the best part of this game - zero zero.
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Deja Thoris Your loss. Enjoy the veldspar humping. Yeah ... but does the Veldspar enjoy it, too? Only if its Chribba. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Twilight Moon Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Deja Thoris Your loss. Enjoy the veldspar humping. Yeah ... but does the Veldspar enjoy it, too? Only if its Chribba. 0.0 isnt any different. I do Prime Arkanor. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 14:54:38 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 0.0 isnt any different. I do Prime Arkanor. ...and I'm sure that the Asteroid is estatic that its you sucking on it Jenny. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 14:54:38 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 0.0 isnt any different. I do Prime Arkanor. ...and I'm sure that the Asteroid is estatic that its you sucking on it Jenny. Rather too slowly with Miners T2. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:56:00 - [27] I still don't really get why people are mining veldsparr or scordite =( even in empire you can strip whole systems with omber and make millions per hour =( ---------------------------------------- Hello "pirates"! Pillage and blow up stuff = PIRATE! Ask strangers for money = BEGGAR!
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 23/06/2006 14:54:38 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 0.0 isnt any different. I do Prime Arkanor. ...and I'm sure that the Asteroid is estatic that its you sucking on it Jenny. I heard she sucks pretty hard... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Splagada	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:00:00 - [29] went twice into 0.0, once pretty deep :p i got killed once, at the exit point of the 0.0 region entry points, 0.4 gates to empire = that's where most are killed deep 0.0 was really nice, and well less risky than some 0.4 places i know hehe - Member of [AAST] Owner of eve-corps.net evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:06:00 - [30] Deep 0.0 is very nice. I've only been up to Empire once since I moved down and that was via jumpclone, to train a few more skills, and then back again the next day. I didn't even undock. : ) --------------------- Sig to come soonish.

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