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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:09:00 -
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What if.. get rid of the Concord and put CFS in charge in the shoes of Concord. If CFS wants it since they seem they re acting like CONCORD and because maybe they proved a point, that players can run local security well. Its still an idea. Player behaviour (if players like it) its better if CCP tries to embed it in game. or even if CCP maintains a continuous system of open suggestions for players in hope for gradually changing EVE Online from NPC mechanics to player driven.
This will go in the thread "PvP theory up on debate", just posted here to gain some more views instead of embeding it right away in another thread.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Mid General
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:25:00 -
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Your point about promoting player interactions over NPC control is a valid one (if that is what you meant, it was hard to unravel from your disgraceful grammar). However, we don't *want* to police the galaxy, and as far as I know, we have never expressed any intentions to do so. I am not though, a high ranking member in CFS, so I may well stand corrected, although I sincerely doubt it.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:33:00 -
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Can CFS members please ignore intruders treads please he is only trying to draw you into another trolling and flaming session.
Thanking you all. " Stay Frosty "
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatters on 28/09/2003 19:41:41 anouther anti - CFS thread....
give it up intruders/ nikki
what do u do create a new alt each day to start a new thread??!?
EDIT : sorry hicks i must have types this as u typed yours, i will no longer post on these threads
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ange Noire on 28/09/2003 19:36:30
Since CFS is the overall best trolling subject of the week, i guess he just goes to the easier way.
Last week winners was stuck and blackhole (unless i missed another well trolled subject)...
So what on the next ?
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:41:00 -
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Corporal Hicks, Darkmatter, stay off this thread or il pod you
KiaMid thank you very much for replying, my initial intention was to give am example on what can be done about CONCORD since few people I believe are happy with how they actually behave. The example is already here, for those that were saying or thinking that player driven CONCORD would not make it. I dont mean if CFS should or should not do anythink, since a number of people can act in policing regions so would any other bunch of people who might like the option to turn away from corporations or from any other of the current means to police their territory.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ange Noire on 28/09/2003 22:36:14 Edited by: Ange Noire on 28/09/2003 19:53:13
CFS is here today, and can move elsewhere tomorrow, u cant settle something in the stone, unless CCP paid their account and give them a payement for protecting a zone.
End of the story
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:06:00 -
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The way you put, no I dont really care what CFS do, even if they danced turned upside down. I used an example, and learned about this example because people of CFS posted on the board pointing out what they do, anyone else is entitled to use whatever they see in this public(eve citizenry) board if they use it for good means. Another thing I wish to say, that is about your little banner keep crap like this away I would advise, this community is not developing to be any better and your likes surely doesnt help a bit to improve it a bit forward. This thread was posted as a notice and not for being used as a troll passtime. Thank you.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
My sig sux |
Ilyana
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ilyana on 28/09/2003 20:27:16 Tbh, I don't think Intruders was trolling, but merely commenting on player policing possibilities (and PvP options). Not everyone has English as their native language people. :)
It seems like a nice idea, but I can also foresee a whole new can of worms being opened...it has been discussed in the past as well, and was basically abandoned because of abuse possibilities. You would need strict supervision and monitoring I guess by either a GM or some other 'high-up'. ;)
Of course, we already know the devs are looking into corp-owned space..basically that will offer player policing or player protection.
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Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:35:00 -
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i bet people know about CFS now lol! ~ FLAME AWAY TROLLS ~ |
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Lubinski
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:35:00 -
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i bet people know about CFS now lol! ~ FLAME AWAY TROLLS ~ |
Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:36:00 -
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Thank you Ilyana, yes abuse can be an issue but since a security is placed and is getting perfected as time passes in having lesser flaws the same way a monitor system could be in place for the player driven CONCORD, in order to not let those players to turn a blind eye at some players unlawfull actions, yet again those players if they really wanted to turn blind for a while and not having any reprecautions they could just stall their response times for a specific offender group, maybe CCP thinks that if they give players something to protect like their Empire space they would act as they should as policeman for their territory. Yet still there is the betrayal factor. No measure is perfect, I hope they choose the one that goes with the best fun...Still I believe they could have a player driven CONCORD, maybe if someone comes up with a great idea of how can the playerbase be protected from cheaters that will act through CONCORD.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
My sig sux |
Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:48:00 -
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Quote: I used an example, and learned about this example because people of CFS posted on the board pointing out what they do
Even it isn't an attempt to start another leety CFS troll, admit that ur exemple is far to be a good idea :) CFS subjet is a bit hot that week, post that next one and u'll get calm and intersting answers.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:57:00 -
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I do not make long term plans, who knows what will happen until next week.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
My sig sux |
Mi Canio
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Posted - 2003.09.28 21:02:00 -
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Quote: Corporal Hicks, Darkmatter, stay off this thread or il pod you
I do hope you are joking, i really do..... Ensign Mi Canio - MIL Div. - Combat Air Patrol
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.28 21:05:00 -
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Ange is hot
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.09.28 21:11:00 -
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Quote: Ange is hot
/blush
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Snejbjerg
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Posted - 2003.09.28 22:23:00 -
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Well Stavros couldn't replace the amarrian emperor (I blive Pann said some meaning that players can't controle NPC fractions) So I realy dont think we (CFS) will replace Concord, would however be nice if we could
well just my 2 kr. (3 cent)
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.09.28 22:28:00 -
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Player-police canŠt, wonŠt and shouldnŠt happen. Period.
It sounds nice on paper, but IMO you have a 85% chance that it totally sucks in reality.
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NGRU Storm
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Posted - 2003.09.28 22:45:00 -
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CFS as a whole stands more than just a head above you and your poorly thought out idealisms, Intruders. At this point you've become a scratched CD that continues to skip track and repeat the same BORING message. You try your best to appear as an intellectual expounding on the socio-political relationships and the impact of such within the game, and have suceeded in doing nothing more than showing your own distorted view of what CFS is.
CFS as you well know is comprised of a great many corporations that have grown tired of being attacked by player pirates in other 0.0 security systems. Every player has a right to 0.0 security areas and the rarer ores and modules that can be had from NPC pirate loot. The CFS has ensured that an area of 0.0 space is free for ANY pilot that so chooses to enter as long as he/she refrain from any pirating. This is a FAR cry from CONCORD in a great many ways. The CFS is MUCH more discerning about who we attack!
CONCORD allows players to steal ore based on a loophole in game mechanics, the CFS won't. CONCORD will fire on a player who is trying to kill an ore thief for said theft then nail them with a security hit, and the CFS doesn't. Individual pilots that have established a reputation as a pirate are hunted in CFS protected 0.0 space while CONCORD stays safely within 0.5 security sectors. This list of differences could be drawn out for LITERALLY paragraph after paragraph.
CONCORD serves a purpose as does the player driven alliance known as the Coalition of Free Stars. The CFS does not need to be made a hardcode in the game for any reason, especially for the reasons that you suggest. Our function has little to do with "PvP Theory" as the CFS does not actively seek confrontations with any specific Alliances, Corporations or individual pilots. Yes, there is a "Kill on Sight" list that the CFS Navy and her military partners adhere to rather strictly. Kills made based on this list are sanctioned on a structured protocol that is NOT deviated from: "The following corps/players have, through their actions either against CFS members or in their actions against other Khanid Region corps, have show themselves to be a threat to CFS operations in the Khanid region." Destroying another pilot's ship for ill gain is unacceptable, destroying another corporation's industrials to loot their cargo is unacceptable, tolling stargates and destroying those that can't pay is unacceptable, making an ASS of yourself by griefing others following the "because I can" line of thought IS UNACCEPTABLE.
Your "what if" scenario is driven soley by your distaste for the CFS and nothing more, as your concern is primarily for yourself and NO ONE else. You've made repeated threats on this forum about podkilling me and number of other CFS Ally/Members, yet we fail to see you in ANY area of CFS space. I am still firmly of the belief that you are an alternate character of someone who has paid the price for being called KOS in CFS protected space. You appeared on these forums after more than just a few pirates made the mistake of getting caught under fire in CFS space. You appeared after the CFS was approached by certain parties with vested interests in the regional conflicts that EVE is currently in the throes of. Tell me Intruders, how does it feel when the bitter tasting "medicine" you've served up with much relish is forced down your throat? "Care Bears" you say? I say: DEAL WITH IT, BECAUSE WHAT GOES AROUND COMES BACK STRONGER!
Keep the Faith, NGRU Storm Commanding Officer/Founder Clan NGRU Gamers Association -- Worlds for the TakingÖ http://www.clan-ngru.com
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.09.28 22:53:00 -
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Hey, more CFS stuff!
The more exposure, the better. Please keep posting CFS-related topics. THANKS!
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.29 00:13:00 -
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Quote: You try your best to appear as an intellectual expounding on the socio-political relationships and the impact of such within the game, and have suceeded in doing nothing more than showing your own distorted view of what CFS is.
Believe me, if I was expresing in my mother language and you could understand me you would be amazed. Im forced to use this language and thous the outcome is something too handicaped. I asure you, I can read in between the lines and through them. After all what would be better if anyone could think and display their thoughts through the language that defined what geo-politics are, in fact it defined what the sciences themselves are. Appart from that all.. You seem to ignore, CFS own structure seems to, to be more precise, that players as people in RL do not define their actions. There are greater needs out there than simply carring for eachother, needs that would dictate your very own survival, as an alliance, as a corp and as a individual player. I am pretty sure that none of the rules you post that CFS abides, would not be followed in the future. Its of any wise mans obligation to discover and letting be exposed the inner workings and machinations of any large alliance that could probably shake the political future of this universe by their numbers. You CFS are walking to a road of no return, and that change of path is displayed by the very action of your displaying of yourself at this discussion medium. The need for your very own survival will make you forget your own rules and turn you to something completely different froma what you thought you will become. This need turned victims to predators and hunters to be the prey many times in the past in this universe. You will be, no exception.
Over and out.
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.29 01:21:00 -
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Once you step into the Limelight you have to expect these ANTI- 'insert major corps or alliances here' threads.
Better get used to it. _______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._ |
Serge
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Posted - 2003.09.29 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Serge on 29/09/2003 11:30:40 edit: removed my reply for obvious resons. Intruders: nice try ***********************************************
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:05:00 -
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AND BEHOLD!
The great and wise shaman Intruders speaks again!
Do you really see all this stuff from looking into your glass yar/bowl/bottle/whatever?
I have some questions for you...i was going to ask god himself when i died but seeying as your extreemly allknowing 'oh great wise one' il ask them to you!
1) When will the world end? 2) when will bill gates get smaked in the face with a pie again? 3) When is the next best time to buy on the stock market? 4) what horse will win next saturday on the tracks? 5) What is the meaning of life? 6) If god exists...why does he not talk to us? 7) what THE HELL is CCP doing atm? 8) when do i make my first million $...and will i ever? 9) Will my wife ever cheat on me during the course of my lifespan and after? 10) can i be bill gates/george bush or some other insanely wealthy person in my next life? 11) do i get a 'next life' 12) of no...why not? 13) if yes why? and will i get more lifes after the next? 14) are there extraterestrial lifeforms who have made contact and or landed on earth in the past or will in the near future? 15) if yes...are they hostile? 16) what do women really want? 17) why do men have the urge to do the horizontal mambo more often then women? 18) what happen when you die?
Anyways...i got more but those are the first that popped in my mind. An answer asap would be apreciated oh great wise shaman of fortunetelling mumbo jumbo!
Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:09:00 -
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As soon as empire space is free for pirates to traffel through, you will see CFS get kicked all over the place...
The power of CFS is that they dont get overrun by pirates because CONCORD. __________________________
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:17:00 -
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Quote:
The power of CFS is that they dont get overrun by pirates because CONCORD.
.. and u and ur corps m8s are well happy to go through that protected area ... i saw many of ur ships there.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 29/09/2003 12:25:45
Quote: As soon as empire space is free for pirates to traffel through, you will see CFS get kicked all over the place...
The power of CFS is that they dont get overrun by pirates because CONCORD.
So be it then. Youl never take me or any of my clones alive and youl never get a penny out of me AND il take you down with me before i get overrun
/me stands his ground
edit: the only reason many pirates actually get away is because they run into empire space. Should combat ever be allowed in ampire space the pirateganks will have no more place to run except for the boarder where they will undoubtably meet a very swift and painfull death just like all the idiots who make the mistake of running into bottleneck 0.0 space.
Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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The Vicker
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:20:00 -
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Does CFS protect the catch region of space too?
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:24:00 -
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1) When will the world end? As soon as ol' Jack presses this button... 2) when will bill gates get smaked in the face with a pie again? When someone invents a pie that can get through bulletproof glass. 3) When is the next best time to buy on the stock market? When you have money to spend. 4) what horse will win next saturday on the tracks? The fastest runner. 5) What is the meaning of life? Beer. Beer and Pizza. 6) If god exists...why does he not talk to us? He talks to Scrapyard Jack, you must be doing something wrong. 7) what THE HELL is CCP doing atm? Mining veldspar; they're carebears. 8) when do i make my first million $...and will i ever? You will, though you will lose it on the aforementioned horse races. 9) Will my wife ever cheat on me during the course of my lifespan and after? Yes. She is now! (with Scrapyard Jack) 10) can i be bill gates/george bush or some other insanely wealthy person in my next life? No! 11) do i get a 'next life' No. 12) of no...why not? You wasted this one. 13) if yes why? and will i get more lifes after the next? Scrapyard Jack said No, dammit. 14) are there extraterestrial lifeforms who have made contact and or landed on earth in the past or will in the near future? Yes, we call them evangelists. 15) if yes...are they hostile? In a strange way; yes. 16) what do women really want? Stability, Romance, Control. 17) why do men have the urge to do the horizontal mambo more often then women? They don't. Stop dating nuns. 18) what happen when you die? Scrapyard Jack gets your stuff.
ehehehe!
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