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Nega	Posted - 2006.06.24 03:09:00 - [1] Any good? I was thinking of buying one and testing it out but not sure of a new setup, I have HAC lvl 5 so I'll have a 50% range mod, can this ship sniper? seems like the dmg might be too low. any thoughts?
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.06.24 04:04:00 - [2] I don't feel **** for being the dumb one to refer you to a zealot, but... use a zealot with beams to snipe. Whine whine whine, sigs
Jake Noble	Posted - 2006.06.24 04:15:00 - [3] Sac is more for close in kinda stuff. 4 X Heavy Pulse II's 2 X Medium Nos 4 X Cap Rechargers 1 X MAR II 3 X Active hardners (I use kin / therm and emp) 1 X CPR. Does decent dmg with a retard tank. For PvP you can swap out the mids for points / web but for NPC that setup works great. Dont bother with T2 pulse ammo, its not that much better than microwave / multifrequency. Zealot 4 X HeavyBeam II 1 X MWD 2 X SB II 1 X SAR II 3 X Tracking Enhancer II 3 X Heat Sink II Skill dependant your optimul with T2 Ammo is 100 - 115km. You can get 1700m/s out of it with the MWD but you cannot sustain it forever. Also, you either shoot or MWD... not both. If anything gets close your toast so be cautious... its a 200 mill isk ship.
BirdBleed	Posted - 2006.06.24 06:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Jake Noble Sac is more for close in kinda stuff. 4 X Heavy Pulse II's 2 X Medium Nos 4 X Cap Rechargers 1 X MAR II 3 X Active hardners (I use kin / therm and emp) 1 X CPR. Does decent dmg with a retard tank. For PvP you can swap out the mids for points / web but for NPC that setup works great. Dont bother with T2 pulse ammo, its not that much better than microwave / multifrequency. Zealot 4 X HeavyBeam II 1 X MWD 2 X SB II 1 X SAR II 3 X Tracking Enhancer II 3 X Heat Sink II Skill dependant your optimul with T2 Ammo is 100 - 115km. You can get 1700m/s out of it with the MWD but you cannot sustain it forever. Also, you either shoot or MWD... not both. If anything gets close your toast so be cautious... its a 200 mill isk ship. sniping isnt pvp :P
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2006.06.24 07:53:00 - [5] The Sac should have been shifted more towards missiles and armor tanking and away from becoming a cheaper, less effective, Zealot. Unfortunately Tux caved to the Amarr whiners who feel that having anything but lasers trained is a travesty.. so yes the Sac is worthless unless you want an Amarr HAC that is cheaper than the Zealot and not nearly as good. ------ FPDOMS MINER KILLBOARD
Svett	Posted - 2006.06.24 08:33:00 - [6] the sac is usefull for comedy wierd arse setups. and it can take a bit of a beating while doing it. but if i want to actually kill my opponent and do it quickly.. i just use my zealot.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.06.24 10:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim Raynor The Sac should have been shifted more towards missiles and armor tanking and away from becoming a cheaper, less effective, Zealot. Unfortunately Tux caved to the Amarr whiners who feel that having anything but lasers trained is a travesty.. so yes the Sac is worthless unless you want an Amarr HAC that is cheaper than the Zealot and not nearly as good. Problem is making it more of a missile boat makes it a bad cerberus. I'd rather if it was going to be a bad copy of anything it'd be a bad zealot i guess.
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2006.06.24 13:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Jim Raynor The Sac should have been shifted more towards missiles and armor tanking and away from becoming a cheaper, less effective, Zealot. Unfortunately Tux caved to the Amarr whiners who feel that having anything but lasers trained is a travesty.. so yes the Sac is worthless unless you want an Amarr HAC that is cheaper than the Zealot and not nearly as good. Problem is making it more of a missile boat makes it a bad cerberus. I'd rather if it was going to be a bad copy of anything it'd be a bad zealot i guess. Sorry but Jim is right. First, amarr dont have any missile boats and they really need at least one. Being stuck with EM/therm damage only sucks hard. taking slightly less damage then cerb and being able to do all damage types would be great for the sac. Secondly, armor tank + missiles = unique since armor pg nerf. A missile sac would be something different instead of the current crappier version of the zealot. Those that want an armor tank instead of a shield tank with missiles finally have a ship for them. Sac needs bonuses changed to 5% bonus to missile velocity, 5% bonus to armor resists, 5% bonus to missile launcher rof, 5% bonus to missile flight time. It needs its slots changed to 5 high / 4 med / 6 low (5 missile HP/2 Turret HP) Tux, try it. It would be great without being overpowered. _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space! Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Zhaine	Posted - 2006.06.24 14:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Foomanshoe Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Jim Raynor The Sac should have been shifted more towards missiles and armor tanking and away from becoming a cheaper, less effective, Zealot. Unfortunately Tux caved to the Amarr whiners who feel that having anything but lasers trained is a travesty.. so yes the Sac is worthless unless you want an Amarr HAC that is cheaper than the Zealot and not nearly as good. Problem is making it more of a missile boat makes it a bad cerberus. I'd rather if it was going to be a bad copy of anything it'd be a bad zealot i guess. Sorry but Jim is right. First, amarr dont have any missile boats and they really need at least one. Being stuck with EM/therm damage only sucks hard. taking slightly less damage then cerb and being able to do all damage types would be great for the sac. Secondly, armor tank + missiles = unique since armor pg nerf. A missile sac would be something different instead of the current crappier version of the zealot. Those that want an armor tank instead of a shield tank with missiles finally have a ship for them. Sac needs bonuses changed to 5% bonus to missile velocity, 5% bonus to armor resists, 5% bonus to missile launcher rof, 5% bonus to missile flight time. It needs its slots changed to 5 high / 4 med / 6 low (5 missile HP/2 Turret HP) Tux, try it. It would be great without being overpowered. On the bonuses: Unfortunately the cruiser skill bonuses have to match the bonuses from the T1 version of the ship. I.e. The sac is stuck with 5% resistances and 10% laser cap reduction from the maller. . . - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Aberash	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:36:00 - [10] if your gonna us Sac for PvP just fit a nasty tank with NOS: 3xHeavy Pulse Laser II 3xMedium NOS II 1x10mn AB II 1x20k scram 1xweb 1xECM Multispec jammer II 2xMAR II 2xEANM II 1xT2 Therm Hardner maybe the odd change with a few mods but something like that..
Ginaz	Posted - 2006.06.24 16:54:00 - [11] Sniping: 4x Heavy Beams T2 with Aurora -> 130km+ range 2x Sensor Booster T2 2x Tracking Computer T2 2x Tracking Enhancers T2 2x Heatsink T2 / Heatsink + Damage Control 1x 800mm Plate fits with 1250/1250PG @ AWU lvl 4 Damage isn't all that great on Amor but sufficient for anti support fleetaction
SghnDubh	Posted - 2006.06.24 18:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Jake Noble Sac is more for close in kinda stuff. 4 X Heavy Pulse II's 2 X Medium Nos 4 X Cap Rechargers 1 X MAR II 3 X Active hardners (I use kin / therm and emp) 1 X CPR. Does decent dmg with a retard tank. For PvP you can swap out the mids for points / web but for NPC that setup works great. Dont bother with T2 pulse ammo, its not that much better than microwave / multifrequency. Zealot 4 X HeavyBeam II 1 X MWD 2 X SB II 1 X SAR II 3 X Tracking Enhancer II 3 X Heat Sink II Skill dependant your optimul with T2 Ammo is 100 - 115km. You can get 1700m/s out of it with the MWD but you cannot sustain it forever. Also, you either shoot or MWD... not both. If anything gets close your toast so be cautious... its a 200 mill isk ship. I'm not attacking you, please don't be defensive, but these are relatively poor load-outs for a good HAC pilot. There are a lot of reasons, but I'll name one right off the bat: If you have to use a CPR, your skills aren't far enough along to fly a HAC effectively. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Fight Smart: www.BattleClinic.com
SghnDubh	Posted - 2006.06.24 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Ginaz 1x 800mm Plate A plate on a HAC? Terrible waste of a slot. Originally by: Ginaz Damage isn't all that great on Amor but sufficient for anti support fleetaction Three well-flown inty's would own this as soon as they got inside your falloff, and without a MWD to help you keep your distance, I would only feel comfy flying this setup in a huge gang where I was unlikely to be called primary for quite some time. Share Loadouts! Fight Smart: http://www.BattleClinic.com [IMG]http://www.battleclinic.com/SghnDubh/bc_forumsig.jpg[
SghnDubh	Posted - 2006.06.24 18:44:00 - [14] Edited by: SghnDubh on 24/06/2006 18:44:46 A great Sacrilege setup depends on whether you have uber missile skills or not. Let's say you don't. Try this loadout edit:typo . Share Loadouts! Fight Smart: http://www.BattleClinic.com
Deadeye Dave	Posted - 2006.06.24 20:15:00 - [15] Originally by: SghnDubh If you have to use a CPR, your skills aren't far enough along to fly a HAC effectively. Do you say this because you think using Cap Mods is bad or do you think its a waste of a tanking slot. Im saying this because your link includes a Sacrilege Setup with 3 Capacitor Rechargers.

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