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Raho Ure
Open All Hours Trading
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Posted - 2014.07.02 03:01:00 -
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With patch day in a few weeks, what is everyone involved in industry doing to make sure they can hit the ground running with the new changes?
I understand Modules are going to cost more to produce after the patch. So I suspect stockpiling at present would be a good idea to make a profit.
Won't this slow supply and increase the price briefly before the suppliers catch up?
Modules would become more expensive, thus demand would reduce?
Or should we just continue as per usually with production.
Your thoughts?
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Geoff Chalmers
Subarashii Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:15:00 -
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I currently have no idea how the market is going to change, so I'm just going to play it safe and continue to produce as normal in the weeks leading up to the patch. When the patch is released, I'm sure the market will go haywire for a little bit. Try to make money where you can, but I wouldn't change your entire operations until the market settles down and you have a better idea of what the new market is going to look like. Would be silly to invest a lot of money into whatever is selling well at the beginning of the patch, only to not be able to turn a profit 3 weeks later when the market stabilizes. Just my thoughts. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
656
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:49:00 -
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Here's what I've done to prepare for the change:
1. Taken my POS down. 2. Sold my mineral reserve (~10 bills). 3. Put all of my blueprints away.
My intention is to wait 3 - 6 month post change to see what's happening, if any useful tools are around and whether or not it's worth continuing with research and manufacture. I'm basically not going to risk assets in the hope of price changes. When I played Somerblink I quit whilst I was ahead and never went back to it. I have no problem doing the same here either!
The only thing I am doing I'm not sure about it keeping hold of my blueprints. The way I see it CCP floor the price with NPC sell orders and I bought them all brand new so I'm never going to lose ISK on them, especially as they're all researched up. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:36:00 -
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Be sure to refine all my ore and loot. Trying to get things researched before the cost goes up.
Get a bigger monitor to handle the size of the new Industry window.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1382
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Posted - 2014.07.02 18:03:00 -
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Patch hits in the middle of my vacation and I have no guarantees I'll be able to get online much. Even if I can, I don't want to be spending my overseas holiday glued to EVE.
As such, I'm building as many of my BPCs up as I can until my vacation starts. After that I'll log in occasionally, as I can, just to make sure nothing's blown up in the interim. When I get back from holiday I'll evaluate and see how things are going, make decisions from there. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3799
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Posted - 2014.07.02 18:31:00 -
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1. Sold my excess POS fuel. 2. Cleared-out all my materials. 3. Stopped manufacturing. 4. Researching all BPO to at least ML 10 / PL 10.
Not sure if I will be keeping my towers (I currently own 3). |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
5
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Posted - 2014.07.02 18:46:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to refine all my ore and loot. Trying to get things researched before the cost goes up.
Get a bigger monitor to handle the size of the new Industry window.
You should keep your ore it will be worth alot more after patch. |
Rialen
Gravit Negotii Northern Associates.
11
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:18:00 -
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Qmamoto Kansuke wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Be sure to refine all my ore and loot. Trying to get things researched before the cost goes up.
Get a bigger monitor to handle the size of the new Industry window.
You should keep your ore it will be worth alot more after patch.
This only applies to the ABCs isn't it? All other ores will remain the same. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
656
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:57:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:1. Sold my excess POS fuel. 2. Cleared-out all my materials. 3. Stopped manufacturing. 4. Researching all BPO to at least ML 10 / PL 10.
Not sure if I will be keeping my towers (I currently own 3).
You know I got mine to 11/21 because I'm not sure how the rounding will work. Will 10 be 99.9999% and hence level 4? There are 20 PL levels on SiSi, does that mean you research up to 20 here? Or 21 if you're worried about rounding?
I don't know the answers to this. I've probably wasted a lot of POS time . |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
115
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:58:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:1. Sold my excess POS fuel. 2. Cleared-out all my materials. 3. Stopped manufacturing. 4. Researching all BPO to at least ML 10 / PL 10.
Not sure if I will be keeping my towers (I currently own 3). You know I got mine to 11/21 because I'm not sure how the rounding will work. Will 10 be 99.9999% and hence level 4? There are 20 PL levels on SiSi, does that mean you research up to 20 here? Or 21 if you're worried about rounding? I don't know the answers to this. I've probably wasted a lot of POS time .
Each PL on SiSi gives 2%, so a +20% PL BP is still a PL 10 BP. I confirmed this when I logged onto SiSi and checked some of my previously PL 10 BPOs that were now PL +20%. Anything beyond PL 10 or ML 10 will revert to 10 when the patch goes live. Yes, you'll have lost some time (possibly a lot of time) researching, but instead of being close to maxed, you will be maxed. If you're new-ish to research and industry like me, this is great; I knew in advance not to do any research beyond 10.
(Sorry for the alphabet soup.) Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
1035
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:09:00 -
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I have been dumping all my isk into buy orders for ore. My plan is to anchor one of the new compression arrays at my POS, compress all the ore, and put it back on the market at a decent markup. With mineral compression gone, compressed ore will be the only efficient way to get large amounts of low end minerals from high sec to the null sec systems where they are needed to build supers. Not to mention, low sec stations will now be the best place to make carriers and dreads, which also require large amounts of low end minerals, in compressed ore form.
I expect this will be the new meta for high sec miners, selling raw ore, or compressing it and selling compressed blocks. it will no longer be worthwhile for miners to refine the ore to increase their overall profits. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
1035
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:14:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:1. Sold my excess POS fuel. 2. Cleared-out all my materials. 3. Stopped manufacturing. 4. Researching all BPO to at least ML 10 / PL 10.
Not sure if I will be keeping my towers (I currently own 3). You know I got mine to 11/21 because I'm not sure how the rounding will work. Will 10 be 99.9999% and hence level 4? There are 20 PL levels on SiSi, does that mean you research up to 20 here? Or 21 if you're worried about rounding? I don't know the answers to this. I've probably wasted a lot of POS time . Each PL on SiSi gives 2%, so a +20% PL BP is still a PL 10 BP. I confirmed this when I logged onto SiSi and checked some of my previously PL 10 BPOs that were now PL +20%. Anything beyond PL 10 or ML 10 will revert to 10 when the patch goes live. Yes, you'll have lost some time (possibly a lot of time) researching, but instead of being close to maxed, you will be maxed. If you're new-ish to research and industry like me, this is great; I knew in advance not to do any research beyond 10. (Sorry for the alphabet soup.) yeah I got many many BPO's researched to ME 100 giving me 0.1% waste. the new ME 10 gives 0.5% or 0.9% depending on the BPO. I have lost a little here and there, but for the most part the total material costs are the same or slightly lower. |
Vartan Sarkisian
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
155
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:42:00 -
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I am researching ME/PE to a min of 10 on all BPOs (most were there anyway). Ill admit I am not really sure how it is all going to pan out, there are a lot of changes and I've stopped even looking at the dev notes, Ill jump in once the patch hits and see what happens (there is only so much speculation on how things will be that you can do) not sure on what the scaling costs will be where I am based, it maybe that it ends up unprofitable for me so I may sell everything and move on to some thing else. We'll see. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
1035
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:04:00 -
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Or you can jump on SiSi, play with the new system, and figure things out, before it goes live. And maybe even have some input into the changes by talking to the devs that are online on SiSi. They are often in chat on SiSi, and seem to listen more there, then on the forums.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3806
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:32:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:You know I got mine to 11/21 because I'm not sure how the rounding will work. Will 10 be 99.9999% and hence level 4? There are 20 PL levels on SiSi, does that mean you research up to 20 here? Or 21 if you're worried about rounding? I don't know the answers to this. I've probably wasted a lot of POS time . According to the dev blog and my math:
ML 00 = 10% / (1 + 00) = 10.00%, becomes ME 00% [base * (1 - 00%) / 0.9 = 11.11% waste]
ML 01 = 10% / (1 + 01) = 05.00%, becomes ME 05% [base * (1 - 05%) / 0.9 = 5.55% waste]
ML 02 = 10% / (1 + 02) = 03.33%, becomes ME 07% [base * (1 - 07%) / 0.9 = 3.33% waste]
ML 03 = 10% / (1 + 03) = 02.50%, becomes ME 08% [base * (1 - 08%) / 0.9 = 2.22% waste] ML 04 = 10% / (1 + 04) = 02.00%, becomes ME 08%
ML 05 = 10% / (1 + 05) = 01.66%, becomes ME 09% [base * (1 - 09%) / 0.9 = 1.11% waste] ML 06 = 10% / (1 + 06) = 01.43%, becomes ME 09% ML 07 = 10% / (1 + 07) = 01.25%, becomes ME 09% ML 08 = 10% / (1 + 08) = 01.11%, becomes ME 09% ML 09 = 10% / (1 + 09) = 01.00%, becomes ME 09%
ML 10 = 10% / (1 + 10) = 00.91%, becomes ME 10% [base * (1 - 10%) / 0.9 = 0.00% waste] ML 11 = 10% / (1 + 11) = 00.83%, becomes ME 10%
So PL will be similar: the BPO will be the same or better (of course they are normalizing base time-waste, so things like fuel blocks might be different). |
EvilIsMyName
Exploitation Industrial Group Gold Star Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:52:00 -
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Researching all my BPO's to at least ML/PL 10 Planning on taking down my towers around the 20th Stripping assets off my high standing/research character account and will let it expire when current account time is up
Mostly I am taking a wait and see approach. I may re-anchor a tower 30-60 days after the patch, but I am expecting my cost/benefit analysis will prove that a bad choice. Currently my bpc sales more then pays for my tower expenses, but as my over-researched bp's quality will be lowered to CCP's new 1-10 scale, any infered competitive advantage will be lost and I predict, at least initially, a large drop in bpc prices. |
Busje Komt Zo
Hollenboer
6
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:02:00 -
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Like most of you I researched all my BPOs to 10/10. I was planning on slowly building a collection of ship BPOs but the Crius changes meant I put things into overdrive and have now a good collection of ship BPOs researched.
And like a lot of you I'm probably not going to keep my POS in the current position and configuration. However depending on how much of an effect "system cost" really has on total build cost of T2 items I am contemplating maybe putting up a tower in a >0.8 system where currently no industry is possible (no factories etc) and where "system cost" should be low.
Apart from that I'll probably build a large stockpile of the items I'm already making, on the assumption that the system cost will increase the build cost and that the "wait and see" approach some are talking about will cause supply to drop & prices to increase.
Then again I too will probably fit in the "wait & see" category at least until IPH is updated as I can't imagine doing T2 production without it (doing all calculations myself in a spreadsheet would drive me nuts). |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:11:00 -
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Qmamoto Kansuke wrote:You should keep your ore it will be worth alot more after patch. Ah. I use the ore I mine, but what about Ice? I've been refining it before transporting to a hub.
Also, what about BPO's that are perfect at ME ~2? Will they require additional ME research to 10 with Crius? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3815
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:57:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Ah. I use the ore I mine, but what about Ice? I've been refining it before transporting to a hub. Ice reprocessing amounts will also be adjusted, so it is possible to get more ice products after Crius, if you have the skills / implant / facilities.
Shiloh Templeton wrote:Also, what about BPO's that are perfect at ME ~2? Will they require additional ME research to 10 with Crius? If you had N% waste on the BPO before Crius, CCP's line is that you will have the same N% waste or less after Crius.
Of course that doesn't take into account three new factors: * Base waste for most BPO is increasing from 10% to 11.11% * Extra materials are being converted into regular materials, which are subject to waste. * Material rounding has changed, which effects jobs greater than 1 run.
So it is likely you'll want to research BPO at least an additional level, if not already at max. |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
46
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Posted - 2014.07.04 22:15:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2014.07.05 00:00:00 -
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I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. Then I will see that if this patch basically reduced everyone being individuals to everyone being cookie cutters with the same prints at the same costs. Then I can use the subscription money on other wasted pursuits.
Not to be too negative, but I am not too comfortable with these changes. |
Adunh Slavy
1531
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Posted - 2014.07.05 02:05:00 -
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CCP has once again missed the real issues with the eve economy and aimed at a trivial answer, more ISK skinks. I for one am looking for lows with the expectation that these changes are only going to further the demand for ISK and not raw materials. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
658
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Posted - 2014.07.05 11:24:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. Then I will see that if this patch basically reduced everyone being individuals to everyone being cookie cutters with the same prints at the same costs. Then I can use the subscription money on other wasted pursuits.
Not to be too negative, but I am not too comfortable with these changes.
Trouble is you won't know that for quite a while. Say 3 - 6 months. |
Whang'Lo
Perkone Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.07.07 05:57:00 -
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I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.
Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.
Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?
Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother. A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1411
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Posted - 2014.07.07 07:03:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.
Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.
Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?
Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother. All the invention skills? Most T2 ships are like that because they are dominated by T2 BPO's, not because there are hundreds of people selling low.
Also, there is no longer any 'waste' at all as I read it. Simply a mineral requirement off which you get a certain percentage discount based on BPO ME & the Facility you build it in.
So the 'tools' will become a lot simpler to work with, no extra materials, no weird waste maths, just base cost * (1-ME discount) |
Desash
The Extremely Norty Gankers Union
2
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Posted - 2014.07.07 14:19:00 -
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Whang'Lo wrote:I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.
Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.
Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?
Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother. This was my thinking too which is part of the reason why I have moth-balled 12 accounts (approx. 20 T2 module inventors/builders). I'll check on the health of the T2 market 2-3 months after the patch hits. |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
126
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Posted - 2014.07.07 14:52:00 -
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- Remapped to train refining skills for the next 6 months or so - Speculating on select faction POS modules - Shifted assets in response to the removal of slots - Currently planning how to optimize the distribution of jobs in response to the removal of slot limits - Fingers crossed that jobs can be restarted with a click or two after delivery as shown at fanfest - 11 clicks per job is too much
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Ginger Barbarella
1948
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Posted - 2014.07.07 21:00:00 -
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Towers down, all T2 prints manufactured and a couple years worth of stuff for my FW alts. Ready to make trouble now that CCP has declared war on high sec industry. :) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3837
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:21:00 -
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Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some.
I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
920
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:05:00 -
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Reprocessed everything that needs reprocessing |
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