You can achieve much of what you want with some smaller changes:

1. Jump drive cool downs on combat capitals

So lets cater to the rich and organised who can just burn 30j with interceptors to their 500 BS cache in the warzone instead.

This thread has AIDS and most of the suggestions in it are hilariously disconnected from the one thing that matters in terms of having power to project in the first place: warm bodies. If I can simply stockpile ships in strategic locations then you can nerf jumpdrives or logistics or exotic dancers however much you like, the little guy will still get stomped by those with more people.

If your end goal is a more diverse null sec, then you need to address reasons to diversify, not arbitrary limitations on distance that only hurt the small and poor anyway.

or we could have travel time in jumps tied to the same speed as in warps so jumping a carrier to max range would be like 5mins of warp tunnel, drastically slowing down movement of capitals and also delaying their deployment thus giving sub-capitals a window to achieve an objective prior to capital support arriving.

Without going into too much detail into the problem of power projection itself, I'd like to introduce you to my simple concept to control it. This is simply a concept that I would be interested in hearing feedback on. I don't know whether it would be good or bad for the game but it wouldn't be as drastic as a change as some of the other ideas mentioned here.

Idea: all jump drive capable ships have a calibration amount that recharges kind of like capacitor does. The points of calibration are based upon how many light years the ship can jump. The exact numbers for capacity and recharge rate could be debated but an example would be that a ship could jump 50 light years and their calibration recharges at 10 light years per hour. (I don't know if those are even close to reasonable numbers, I just picked random ones.) Maybe even have skills that can increase the capacity and recharge rate as well. It would basically put a hard limit on to how far ships could jump within a certain time frame but also leave choices available. For instance, you may decide to jump into a fight but not have the calibration to jump out to even the nearest star system for at least 15 minutes. Moving across the galaxy would have to actually be a thing that takes a little bit of time and planning.

Please, keep yourself away from claiming your alliance achieved everything on it's own :) We all know that you are nothing, always were nothing and always will remain big nothing without your precious pile of warm bodies. GSF was a parasitic alliance, still is a parasitic alliance and will always remain as such. Linking Sov map and claiming your alliance did it all right on it's own makes you look like a poor deluded guy :)

As for jump bridges limit their connections to within the constellation and increase their power/cpu requirement such that they take up nearly all available pos resources. This would allow small gangs to camp them in much the same way as they do gates.

That's a bit bigger than the gangs I roam with and incaping mods sounds like unpleasant and time consuming structure grinding. A jump bridge is at some level a player made stargate. As it stands now with defenses it is something a lot stronger and harder to camp than a normal gate.

The entire point of this thread was to suggest ways to reduce projection, which is perhaps not a goal everyone agrees with. However, if that is the goal than increasing the vulnerability to camping would be a way, especially if it was neutered to the point that a duo or trio could make a nuisance of themselves. Seems odd that the player made stargate (jump bridge) would be much less vulnerable to harassment than the usual gates.

I think this probably got overlooked but I seriously can't see any downside to this.

I'm pretty sure every line member can't afford a few hundred carriers and a few hundred dreads to accomplish what they can do today with just one of each.

Such a change Wentworth III suggest would have a real impact. So please, stop the fear mongering.

And all the other alternatives simply break completely the game. I blame people sttuborn pushign the no jumps anymore in failing to engage critical analysis of the game outside your little bubble of reality.

I do not contest that. What I contest is the Illusion that you can achieve completely what you desire without completely breaking the game (for example isolating large zones of low sec from the rest of universe)

I want the same effect as you.. but I am more focused on the side effects taht woudl not be bearable. And if you try to push only somethign that has an inherent side effect taht CCP will never tolerate, then you are scrapign your own idea.


That is why I cannot see a "remove cyno jump" level of change beign ever implemented.

But I still think major problem is the no drawback on having thousands of blues. If you cannto have thousands of blues then it does not matter how much projection you have.

No need to curtain friendship.. just to curtail automatic system that make cooperation easy. Make your allaince manteinace increase by the number of blues you have (simple and very rude example) and you can keep friend of someone. But you will not have them blue and therefore emergency operations with them are almost impossible.

it is, because it grows directly in relation to the income capability. Cost is a limiting factors. Th problem is that fixed costs are never going to be a limiting factor. And what you described is exactly what i was thinking. Blue donuts would not be effective at a scalation fight but would be still powerful in planned battles? The result? Now we have a reason to make " hit and run "(for lack of a better term) strikes.

Couple that with a delay of a few hours to change standings...



You may propose whatever change you might dream, as long you ALLOW a blue list to have 10 K people, it will have 10 K people. That is human nature. If it is impossible to limit blue list then we are doomed and this thread is meaningless because if there is something impossible is to curtail human nature and to think that any approach that relies on psycological pressure will work (because that is the same fail as all the other attempts to use such factors, because it ignores the fact that people will usually not think the same way as the one that created the mechanism).

You may make travel as hard as you want, that will NOT solve the blue donut. It will make the stronger part of the blue group to kick the weaker part and pray on them. But the stronger parts that could fight each other in an interestign way will NOT depart. Why? because cowardice is deeply and strongly at the center of human mind.

I can say its adorable seeing the attempts to justify a situation that benefits only some in disregard for the problem we are trying to solve.

As I said, I understand that fear is part of human nature and people want to band together to compensate for their sense of lack of security. But this game must be fun, and super large blocks are NOT fun.

If they cannot be constrained, or gently pushed towards splitting, then there is nothign to do here. And in here I mean in whole eve online 0.0 future. Be happy to sit in your tomb of boredom. But other people are more capable of putting the welfare of the game they like ahead of their own fear of having to face difficulties in game

How about getting rid of WTZ as well as blocking any sort of tacticals 30km from a gate?

I mean...if we really do want to make Eve smaller.

(Sorry, could not resist) /bittervet

Nice troll.

For those unaware. The above was a massive exploit. CCP seized all the assets from it and those involved were punished.

The goon tag under his name basically put a lot of salt on any opinion he states defendign the status quo.