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Dnol Arendale	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:20:00 - [1] Alright Folks! after being woefully disappointed in the Ferox in terms of PvP as a railboat. Perfectly capable as a ratter, but on a whole everyone seems to laugh at the idea of a railrox in PvP. So, on that note. What are some ships that are mainly rail users, that have some good setups for PvP?
Tar Ecthelion	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:22:00 - [2] Eagle is a good sniper ..... "When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" Winston Churchill
Dnol Arendale	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:32:00 - [3] That isn't T2 :p
Dnol Arendale	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:33:00 - [4] Er, a HAC I meant.
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.06.25 00:36:00 - [5] Harpy and Enyo atleast work with rails. Especially when solo they're much more convinient than blasters since you can kill those long range tackling ceptors. Some people use taranis for long range with rails too. I don't know how viable it is though.
Vexoth	Posted - 2006.06.25 02:02:00 - [6] Moa?
Dnol Arendale	Posted - 2006.06.25 05:13:00 - [7] yeah, I like the Moa, fun ship, but for some reason it doesn't seem to cut it as the gunboat I'm looking for.
Retrax	Posted - 2006.06.25 05:27:00 - [8] Edited by: Retrax on 25/06/2006 05:33:35 Harpy and Eagle are it for Caldari gunboats. How about Gallente? Or train missiles... either way you're prolly better off training for Harpy and Eagle. :p ...Thorax looks good, 5 turrets and 5% hybrid damage bonus per level. "Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing." - Dr. Wernher von Braun
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.06.25 06:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Necrologic on 25/06/2006 06:37:06 Originally by: Retrax Edited by: Retrax on 25/06/2006 05:33:35 Harpy and Eagle are it for Caldari gunboats. How about Gallente? Or train missiles... either way you're prolly better off training for Harpy and Eagle. :p ...Thorax looks good, 5 turrets and 5% hybrid damage bonus per level. Rax and brutix don't have the grid for proper rail setups. Ferox is what you need to make work. What sort of setups have you tried?
Zavernus Hamarabi	Posted - 2006.06.25 06:38:00 - [10] Rax has plenty of grid. I use 200mm rails/am and a dual web setup. It works WONDERS i tell you.
Kadreal	Posted - 2006.06.25 06:43:00 - [11] Moa is proably the best you can get with cruisers. The mix of missle and rail mounts kinda suck if your looking for pure railgun action. The Ferox is also a good boat for railguns due to it's optimal range bonus. However it also mixes rails and missles. So really there is no 'good' boat for pure railguns. Ferox would offer you the most railgun action below battleship however.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 07:52:00 - [12] Personally, I think rails aren't such a hot idea for PvP off sniping BSs. Trying to snipe in cruisers and AFs just loses you your tracking/speed/size advantage and puts you at BSs optimal with a pretty pathetic damage output. Best choices are probably the rail-ranis (outside of web range 4tw) and the harpy.
Akiman	Posted - 2006.06.25 08:08:00 - [13] wtf? brutix has 7 turret places ferox has 5 ferox got optimal bonus,brutix has damage bonus AND brutix has more pg than ferox but u didnt notice cause u fit 5 instead of 7 ...Brutix FTW! :P hehe
Talon Calais	Posted - 2006.06.25 08:28:00 - [14] yeah except brutix fail at pvp.
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:19:00 - [15] Edited by: Yazoul Samaiel on 25/06/2006 09:21:35 Originally by: Talon Calais yeah except brutix fail at pvp. Ohhh noes , u are greatly mistaken there !! Brutix can make one hell of a sniper with a full rack of 200 T2 u will make a decent dmg and range on ur targets med or small and massive dmg on bs , I was enaging one of those cpl of days ago and it took all the shields on my domi with ease the dude ofc had spike at 80 km . Blaster brutix with ions or even neutrons after the pg reduction makes and evil close quarter ship. Tbh i prefer the moa sicne i have a very nice setup for it using dual 150 which usualy makes ppl go sicne they think i am usign blasters due to the massive dmg i do but in theory they are as close to blasters as u cna imagine , decent trackign and dmg close to ions me thinks which aint bad sicne also u get a huge raneg bonus as in compariosn to blasters , with a full wrack of dual 150 u can one volly any t1 frig or 2 prob 3 volly a t2 one . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Altai Saker	Posted - 2006.06.25 09:37:00 - [16] taranis
Kur'Dekaija	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:20:00 - [17] Celestis - The amount of sensor/tracking equipment you can fit on that ship. Catalyst or a Cormorant - Cuz its fun.
Soros	Posted - 2006.06.25 11:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Soros on 25/06/2006 11:30:00 FEROX IS GOOD !!
Naginataii	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:17:00 - [19] The corm actuly makes a very good rail sniper if you get it set up nice and you have decent gunnery skills. But isnt usefull for more than just a fun toy to play with every now and again. With a little work you can concider taking it to small scale fleet engagements as a tackler-tackler, just make sure you stay out of the range of most enemys or ya insta poped.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.06.25 12:24:00 - [20] cormorant, moa, harpy, thorax, brutix, ferox, hell I'd fit a stabber with rails and keep at range
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.06.25 13:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Necrologic Rax and brutix don't have the grid for proper rail setups. Ferox is what you need to make work. What sort of setups have you tried? Is this a joke? Brutix can do very well as a 200mm rail platform in both pve and pvp. Same goes for the rax.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:00:00 - [22] moa 4tw can easy get ~150km range with spike ammo
Oedus Caro	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:06:00 - [23] Does the Vulture improve much on the railgun platform afforded by the Ferox hull?
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Tbh i prefer the moa sicne i have a very nice setup for it using dual 150 which usualy makes ppl go sicne they think i am usign blasters due to the massive dmg i do but in theory they are as close to blasters as u cna imagine , decent trackign and dmg close to ions me thinks which aint bad sicne also u get a huge raneg bonus as in compariosn to blasters , with a full wrack of dual 150 u can one volly any t1 frig or 2 prob 3 volly a t2 one . That's strange because I tried a Dual 150mm setup on my Eagle and found the damage to be noticably lower than 200mm guns. The tracking was 'better' but still not able to track anything smallish inside 10km and required a webber. The 200mm tracked/hit webbed targets just as easily as the Dual 150mm guns, so I failed to see a point in using the Dual 150mm. -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.06.25 15:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Oedus Caro Does the Vulture improve much on the railgun platform afforded by the Ferox hull? The damage still sucks, but it can reach better even though there's really no need to. I suggest using blasters on the Vulture, though. You can get around 17 km optimal with Heavy Neutrons and Null, which rocks because they track very well at that range and the damage is decent. For some 250mm II rail figures with Ferox and Brutix, look here. ---
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:29:00 - [26] railbrutix, railthorax, moa. --------- Dead already?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:44:00 - [27] Taranis, Harpy, Eagle, Megathron. Those are really the only ships with useful PVP rail setups. Cormorant, Moa, and Ferox all suck in PVP no matter what. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Yazoul Samaiel	Posted - 2006.06.25 16:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Tbh i prefer the moa sicne i have a very nice setup for it using dual 150 which usualy makes ppl go sicne they think i am usign blasters due to the massive dmg i do but in theory they are as close to blasters as u cna imagine , decent trackign and dmg close to ions me thinks which aint bad sicne also u get a huge raneg bonus as in compariosn to blasters , with a full wrack of dual 150 u can one volly any t1 frig or 2 prob 3 volly a t2 one . That's strange because I tried a Dual 150mm setup on my Eagle and found the damage to be noticably lower than 200mm guns. The tracking was 'better' but still not able to track anything smallish inside 10km and required a webber. The 200mm tracked/hit webbed targets just as easily as the Dual 150mm guns, so I failed to see a point in using the Dual 150mm. I said Moa not eagle , coz i wouldnt put dual 150 on eagle , that would be sacrificign the range . Dual 150 on moa serve cpl of purposes , better rof , better tracking , i can easily one volly a t1 frig plus my 2 assaults and it will die even b4 my 3 t2 droens reach it as for inties 2 or 3 vollies tops , as for cruisers and hacs i do very good dmg aginst them . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Mkolll	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:06:00 - [29] So what are your Harpy PvP rail setups? I'm still unable to perfect mine. Cap is the biggest issue for me.
Mkolll	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:20:00 - [30] Can I have a specific setup showing the slots?
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Tbh i prefer the moa sicne i have a very nice setup for it using dual 150 which usualy makes ppl go sicne they think i am usign blasters due to the massive dmg i do but in theory they are as close to blasters as u cna imagine , decent trackign and dmg close to ions me thinks which aint bad sicne also u get a huge raneg bonus as in compariosn to blasters , with a full wrack of dual 150 u can one volly any t1 frig or 2 prob 3 volly a t2 one . That's strange because I tried a Dual 150mm setup on my Eagle and found the damage to be noticably lower than 200mm guns. The tracking was 'better' but still not able to track anything smallish inside 10km and required a webber. The 200mm tracked/hit webbed targets just as easily as the Dual 150mm guns, so I failed to see a point in using the Dual 150mm. I said Moa not eagle , coz i wouldnt put dual 150 on eagle , that would be sacrificign the range . Dual 150 on moa serve cpl of purposes , better rof , better tracking , i can easily one volly a t1 frig plus my 2 assaults and it will die even b4 my 3 t2 droens reach it as for inties 2 or 3 vollies tops , as for cruisers and hacs i do very good dmg aginst them . How does my using an Eagle instead of a Moa make a difference? It doesn't; my point was that the 200mm have higher DPS and when a webber is needed on a target they hit just as often as the Dual 150mm. Have you tried doing the same setup with 200mm rails rather than Dual 150s in similar situations? I'm interested in other peoples' direct comparisions of those guns because I want to like and use the Dual 150s but haven't convinced myself that they're worth the loss of range. -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:43:00 - [32] Dual 150mm rails are just as useless as Dual 250mm rails. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Demangel	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Demangel on 25/06/2006 20:23:05 Edited by: Demangel on 25/06/2006 20:16:38 I did a quick little setup in quickfit a littlew while ago, and a brutix might work decently with dual 150MM TII. 5x Dual 150MM TII 2x Med nos 1x 10MN AB TII 1x Web 1x scramble (20KM) 1x semi free (can use tracking comp, cap recharger etc here, or a 2nd web or scramble). 1x Med Armor rep II 1x Adaptive Nano 1x 1600MM rolled steel II 1x PDU 1x Damage control. Drones to taste. With skills you have over 7700 Armor HPs Damage isn't really bad, DPS is actually higher than 200MM (least quickfit says so)... and easier to fit. Tracking is good as you can hit slower frigs easily enough, + nos + drones. TI cruiser without good EW support isn't going to do well against this as this BC will pretty much outlast it and nos it. Overal assessment: A strong all around gang ship, with enough solo capability to be a bit dangerous. Naturaly a blasterburtix would be better for pure damage output, and would likely be the better choice if you have tackler support. But this setup has it's advantages... Alternatively, you could use 250MM rails, and no real tank, and do more direct damage more quickly. but wouldn't have the armor of a BS. 5x 250MMII 2x Nos mids same as above. lows: 1x MAR II 2x RCU 1x EAN II 1x Damage Control. This will be a tad faster and more maneuverable, Would be reasonably easy to swap into sniper fitting if desired. Overal if your looking for a damage dealing rail setup thats not paper thin, and can still deal with frigates reasonably, this would be how I'd try it. If there is a way to not use two RCU's though, and still keep most of the above, I'd do it. Maybe downgrade to named AB or MWD, or Named rails. or named all of the above. That way you got another low to play with for more defenses? With Weapon Upgrades 3+ you can change one RCU to a PDU and get a bit more cap recharge out of it and still have PG to spare. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Voltron	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Talon Calais yeah except brutix fail at pvp. Im sorry but if you think the brutix fails at pvp then you clearly haven't flown it, or you haven't pvp'd, one or the other. Volt
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Voltron Originally by: Talon Calais yeah except brutix fail at pvp. Im sorry but if you think the brutix fails at pvp then you clearly haven't flown it, or you haven't pvp'd, one or the other. Volt Brutix is a good killmail and podmail farming ship... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Demangel Edited by: Demangel on 25/06/2006 20:23:05 I did a quick little setup in quickfit a littlew while ago, and a brutix might work decently with dual 150MM TII. ... Damage isn't really bad, DPS is actually higher than 200MM (least quickfit says so)... and easier to fit. The game database says: 200mm Tech II guns have 4.88 rof, 2.4x damage = .49 damage (simply damage divided by rof) Dual 150 Tech II guns have 3.90 rof, 1.8x damage = .46 damage So Dual 150s are lower DPS although not by a whole lot. BUT, if you factor in that you can be hitting with 200mm guns from 50% further away, they're far superior. Of course tracking at close ranges outside web range will favor the dual 150, but is that advantage enough to make up the difference? -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Necrologic Edited by: Necrologic on 25/06/2006 06:37:06 Originally by: Retrax Edited by: Retrax on 25/06/2006 05:33:35 Harpy and Eagle are it for Caldari gunboats. How about Gallente? Or train missiles... either way you're prolly better off training for Harpy and Eagle. :p ...Thorax looks good, 5 turrets and 5% hybrid damage bonus per level. Rax and brutix don't have the grid for proper rail setups. Ferox is what you need to make work. What sort of setups have you tried? A brutix can do 300 damage per second at 100km with nearly instant lock using 250mms, damage mods, and (I think) an RCU2. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.25 22:05:00 - [38] Brutix with rails... not the hottest ( Astarte can use em reasonably well though ;-) ) But using 200mms you can get a pretty decent setup ( This isn't a use this setup, it's a lets throw some stuff on there and see if it fits etc. ) ==[ BRUTIX ]== (Brutix) HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] - [ 170 \| 29] 200mm Railgun II [80xJavelin M] MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 55 \| 25] 10MN Afterburner II - [ 1 \| 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I - [ 1 \| 35] Tracking Computer II - [ 1 \| 11] Cap Recharger II LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 173 \| 28] Medium Armor Repairer II - [ 1 \| 17] Internal Force Field Array I - [ 2 \| 20] N-Type Reactive Membrane I - [ 2 \| 20] N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I - [ 1 \| 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powergrid : 1427.7 / 1437.5 MW CPU : 413.0 / 531.25 tf Capacitor (regen) : 2343.75 Energy (300.0sec) Max Cap Regen : 19.14 per sec (approx.) Max Cap Needed : 33.377 per sec Velocity : 432.641 m/sec Signature : 300.0 m Target Range : 60500.0 m Scan Resolution : 250.0 mm ECCM Magnetometric : 18.0 points Shield HP (regen) : 3000.0 (800.0sec) Max Shield Regen : 9.38 per sec (approx.) Shield EM : 11.5 % Shield Explo : 64.6 % Shield Kinetic : 46.9 % Shield Thermal : 29.2 % Armor HP : 3516.25 Armor EM : 71.79 % Armor Explo : 61.53 % Armor Kinetic : 54.16 % Armor Thermal : 54.16 % Structure HP : 3906.25 Drone Capacity : 50.0 m3 Capacity : 0.0 Warp Max Distance : 108.8 AU ==> 280.9 DPS <==
Demangel	Posted - 2006.06.26 03:23:00 - [39] Last setup looks ok too, Though I'm partial to fitting a Nos or two in there. Even if your going to be trying to stay beyond 10KM, but maybe thats just me? Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
The Acolyte	Posted - 2006.06.27 00:08:00 - [40] Well it's not a HAC, but I'd say Arazu. Rails and damps ftw

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