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Belesia Velorea
Bunch of Noobs Logistics
3
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Posted - 2014.07.06 10:20:00 -
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Never mind just tanking your ship atleast fully fit it, rigs included. Go somewhere quiter and preferably away from Caldari space and learn your locals and use d-scan. Try not to respond to peoples verbal bait both in game and here on the forum aswell. Unlike most other mmo's EVE is nice and unique in the sense that out of game action can actually follow you into the game and vice versa. It's one of the more entertaining aspects of the game because it makes you somewhat more accountable for things you do and say.
If you asked me what I would do though... i'd move out of highsec, sure there's much more inherent danger but if you employ the necessary precautions and counter measures you will rarely die. Things become much more rewarding imo when you leave behind the artificial safe guards of highsec that most who hide behind don't fully understand anyway. Find a nice quite area of low/null and just have Black Frog do all your transporting. The game becomes a lot more fun and enjoyable.
Just adapt and move on. You have everything in this thread now to continue better prepared. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4096
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Posted - 2014.07.06 10:35:00 -
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Kallie Altosoro wrote:Quote: Please stop lying.
You were not killed by your corp mates.
You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person.
This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank.
You assume that THIS character was the one I experienced the corp grief with. You would be incorrect. That character was returned to biomass and this character created in it's place ( I cannot have more than one really without buying PLEX so they can train skills.) Yes, Dexson forced me to abandon the corp I made for myself. The attacker afterwards was someone named Bram Ridder or something like that. The last two that attacked me, one is named Septagon Trans, I think. From the Illuminati. I was not going to name names. But when I'm called a "liar," I feel a need to defend myself. I'm starting to believe I should stop doing that since it never works out. Such as I see here.
Issue with that statement:
Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills.
But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Albert Dexson
Dexson Ventures
0
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Posted - 2014.07.06 11:29:00 -
[33] - Quote
I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories.
As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities.
War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro.
For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording.
Quote:There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked.
Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed.
Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise.
A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time.
The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members.
As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper.
have a nice day
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Kallie Altosoro
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.07.06 12:14:00 -
[34] - Quote
Quote: Issue with that statement:
Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills.
But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards.
Ok. I'm not reading the combat logs right then.
And now Dexson has showed up. Frankly, the more I go on, the more the ******* I'll be. Fine. Fine, you all win. I'll throw Kallie in to the biomass and start over again since it's obvious I'll never be able to get anywhere now. I'll just accept full responsibility for everything and that I'm a liar on top of it all.
You can all laugh now. Bye.
"Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante
At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4096
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Posted - 2014.07.06 12:27:00 -
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Albert Dexson wrote:I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories. As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities. War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro. For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording. Quote:There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked. Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed. Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise. A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time . The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members. As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper. have a nice day
You must be new to the forums.
Killmails / killboard links are not allowed other then in 1 specific thread in Crime & Punishment, suggest remove them otherwise your friendly forum moderator will just delete the entire post.
EDIT:
Removed killboard links out of quoted text Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Lantro
Loonstar
10
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Posted - 2014.07.06 12:31:00 -
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Kallie Altosoro wrote:Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then. It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4096
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Posted - 2014.07.06 12:38:00 -
[37] - Quote
I stand corrected. Found the kill by Septagon Trans Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4096
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Posted - 2014.07.06 12:39:00 -
[38] - Quote
Lantro wrote:Kallie Altosoro wrote:Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then. It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4.
*cough* Bigger isn't always better.
In EVE it's not about what is bigger, it's about what is most effective.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1000
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Posted - 2014.07.06 13:49:00 -
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Kallie Altosoro wrote: But both CCP's games EVE Online and DUST 514 are absolutely draining me and I just don't understand why.
I'll be honest, I stopped reading your wall of text right there. Want to be fulfilled and not drained? Stop mining, and pewpew. Buy a hundred Rifters and lose every single one in a glorious explosion. Learn from every fight. Analyze what you did wrong.
After that, you will know what to do.
And Dust, it's called Bust 514 for a reason. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |

Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2014.07.06 14:58:00 -
[40] - Quote
The only reason you're in this situation is that you're stubburnly buying +5s for hundreds of millions of isk every time you die without them making a huge difference in your training time. What''s the hurry ?
It's not worth it. If you didn't do that your losses would be covered by your income in a day and you could just shrug them off and learn from them like it's intended.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3829
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:19:00 -
[41] - Quote
Basically, there are a lot of people that actually enjoy EVE, and many of us want you to also.
The first thing you really need to work on is taking responsibility. Your EVE experience depends on you; everything that happens to you in EVE is because of actions you decided to take. Even if that is only clicking the undock button.
Blaming everyone else but yourself for your troubles will get you nowhere. Accept your losses, learn from them, and move on. Make plenty of mistakes, and have no regrets, rather just have fun. Being able to laugh at yourself will take you far. EVE is just a game, so don't take it seriously, and make sure you are always doing something you consider fun.
Many good suggestions have already been made in this thread. It is up to you how to proceed though.
One of my all-time favorite threads is by a rookie asking for help. It is worth reading the entire thread in my opinion. Note his attitude, and the community's response to his attitude. Am I too stupid to play EVE?
Another favorite thread is from Reddit: Experiences of a total n00b, barely 4 days into trial. It is epic, because he won EVE so early-on by "getting it". Worth reading the blog he started too (link at the bottom of his post). Seems like he found a fun corp too.
There are a lot of corps in EVE. If you don't like your corp, find another!
For what it is worth, I've been considering applying to BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP, a member of BRAVE Collective, the second largest non-renter alliance. BOVRIL is known as the "Blood Miners" because they also PvP. They are nulsec based in BUZ-DB, which has an ice field and a Minmatar outpost for reprocessing. [See, I've done my research on them.]
EDIT: Another epic Reddit post, Could anyone explain - like I'm five - what Eve is? |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4099
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:55:00 -
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What Tau said.
I made mistakes FAR worse then yours, yet I'm still here, enjoying myself.
Hell, I even laugh how stupid I was and use it as an example to new players who say that vets don't make mistake.
As killmails aren't allowed, let's me give you the run down.
Here I was, a new player, less then 2 months into EVE and received a nice Xmas bonus from my boss. Thought, let's make EVE easier on the in game wallet, let's buy some PLEX. Redeemed them in Jita but found out a couple of systems over, you could get a better price. Bought a Tayra (then called Badger Mark II) and some cargo expanders, loaded up a dozen skillbooks I needed, a Hulk and Covetor and the 4 PLEX into my badger and undocked.
And I died before I even could load the undock grid. Luckily for the killer, all 4 PLEX did drop.
Did I got angry, sure, for about 2 hours. But I was angry at myself because I made a stupid mistake. Did I biomass my character, hell no. Why would I, it was ME who made the mistake, not my character. Did I come to the forums complaining about it. Nope, because it wouldn't change the fact that I made a mistake.
In EVE any experience, both positive AND negative, are a result of your OWN actions or lack there of. I learned that a wardec means that if you are camped in a station, don't just blindly undock ship after ship. I learned that you should not carry PLEX in any ship, especially an untanked industrial. I learned how to get my POD out of situations where I'm not bubbled (which in itself only happens in null-sec). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1435
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:00:00 -
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Soo, OP...to save a little time training you spent a lot of time to be able to do that...no wonder you are not enjoying your game time. Also, stop being so sensitive.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1348
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:00:00 -
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Kallie Altosoro wrote:Quote: Issue with that statement:
Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills.
But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards.
Ok. I'm not reading the combat logs right then. And now Dexson has showed up. Frankly, the more I go on, the more the ******* I'll be. Fine. Fine, you all win. I'll throw Kallie in to the biomass and start over again since it's obvious I'll never be able to get anywhere now. I'll just accept full responsibility for everything and that I'm a liar on top of it all. You can all laugh now. Bye.
There is no need to biomass, since I suspect your winning personality will result in the same sorts of attention regardless of what character you are playing.
What I gather from this thread is that you have discovered the most glorious thing about this MMO - that every action has consequences. If you go on public forums or channels and say offensive things to people, they are likely to use in-game means to attack your character. This is fine and normal.
My recommendation to you remains the same - join EVE University. If they will still take you after the way you've made an ass of yourself here. If they won't, try RvB or something. Either way, sell all your assets and use the isk to buy a couple hundred Rifters. Then keep your mouth shut and focus on blapping all the things with no regard for your personal safety. Do this for a couple of months and I think you will have a better perspective on things (and the enemies you've made for yourself will likely have forgotten you.) www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |

Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
418
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:19:00 -
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Don't biomass.
EvE is a long term game. Patience is very important. Whether it's putting up with an extra day of training because you really can't afford to lose +5s, or sticking it out until your reputation blows over (I give it two weeks before everyone forgets about this thread).
I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you, plus you can be beautiful like me. 
I'm going to echo the advice above. If you don't enjoy being prey, perhaps it's time to consider being the predator. And no, not all combat characters are like the (arguably unsavory) ones you have run into so far. There are plenty of well meaning pew-pewers from low, null, to WH space that just want to blow things up and have a good time, and would be glad to help you get started doing the same.
Not sure I would recommend 100 rifters though. Maybe 100 breachers...or tristans. Rifters are so 2010.
www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7610
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:24:00 -
[46] - Quote
Hey, turns out if you talk smack on the forums, you might garner attention. Who'd have thunk it?
Next time, don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash.
Oh, and watchlisted. Been away for a little while, but I might still have a ganker character nearby where it looks like you live.  "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

gfldex
714
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Posted - 2014.07.06 16:45:00 -
[47] - Quote
Since it's story time, here is mine. Well, one of them anyway.
Many many years ago I joined a corp. I picked it on a german forum (my english wasn't that good 10 years ago) by counting the spelling and grammar mistakes. The lowest number was my pick. Surprisingly them germans turned out to be quite nice and very active in game (Browsers didn't have spelling correction back then. Made it a lot easier to spot the jerks.). Just 14 days after I started to play I was in hed-gp and shed some blood. But that's not really where my story begins.
It all started when one of us corpnoobs figured that we could mine in lowsec, because it has riches and is only 4 jumps away. Of all systems he picked Ami. Not knowing the dangers but expecting the worst I checked my wallet and the local prices for a new Thorax. Was looking good so of I went.
We met up just one jump from Ami and one of us scouted the gate. In his Maller. Surprisingly nothing bad happened, so we proceeded into a belt and started shooting rocks with laz0rs. Just 10 minutes later two gankageddons appeared out of nowhere (because we didn't spam the directional scanner) and unshipped us. Back in the day lag was laggy and sensor boosters had no stacking penalty. Out of the six of us who woke up in the clowning station two where laughing. Those two stayed with EVE for many years to come.
My advice is twofold. Firstly, expect the worst and laugh when it happens. Have a smile if you get away. And secondly, spend time on picking your corp. If it takes you less then a week, don't expect great results.
In fact that is true for pretty much anything you do in EVE. If there is cut-throat competition -- take the time to get a knife! If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5700
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Posted - 2014.07.06 17:58:00 -
[48] - Quote
"How did you veterans start?"
We all have stories to tell. Even us veterans have failed miserably (some of us multiple times) taking the first few steps into the game. The trick is to rise to the challenge and accept that while you are allowed to do anything you want, so can everyone else... for better or worse. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2050
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:57:00 -
[49] - Quote
i put on an endless loop of yakety sax halfway through this thread.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

gfldex
716
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:07:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:i put on an endless loop of yakety sax halfway through this thread.
I counter your link with a counter-link. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1349
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Posted - 2014.07.06 19:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cara Forelli wrote: Not sure I would recommend 100 rifters though. Maybe 100 breachers...or tristans. Rifters are so 2010.
I was referring to proverbial Rifters, not literal Rifters.
www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2109
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Posted - 2014.07.06 20:38:00 -
[52] - Quote
Biomass button is there for a reason, use it. Push da button. Push it good... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1435
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Posted - 2014.07.06 20:55:00 -
[53] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Biomass button is there for a reason, use it. Push da button. Push it good... I think it's a little "x" on the top of the character pic in the log-in now...not that it effects your sentiment....
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2110
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Posted - 2014.07.06 21:12:00 -
[54] - Quote
It might be a small button but it's first button you see and can click. Click it, click it now. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

GordonO
The Oasis Group
52
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Posted - 2014.07.07 00:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. . |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1350
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
GordonO wrote:Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day..
This is a misconception. I've found EVE to be very new player friendly and that it gets more so all the time. Note that "new player friendly" is not the same thing as "easy", although by that measure too, it has a much softer learning curve than it once did. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |

Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
124
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Posted - 2014.07.07 14:09:00 -
[57] - Quote
If you insist on mining, for God's sake quit flying Retrievers. Procurers are as cheap and have a crap ton more EHP (effective hit points). You'll have to make more trips back to station, but those trips won't be in pods (much). Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2554
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Posted - 2014.07.07 15:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
Haedonism Bot wrote:GordonO wrote:Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. This is a misconception. I've found EVE to be very new player friendly and that it gets more so all the time. Note that "new player friendly" is not the same thing as "easy", although by that measure too, it has a much softer learning curve than it once did. This is pretty true, my partner was beating helpful people back with a stick the last time she tried. However hated the gameplay so didn't stay( though she adamantly refused to try anything els till she "mastered" exploring...pre odyssey....yeah).
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |

Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
695
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
Its a dangerous game, thats what we like about it (most of us anyway).
There is a well known rule of EvE that basically states "Don't use equipment you cannot easily afford to replace unless you can handle the inevitable loss". You aren't expected to know that to start with, but as you have discovered it's a rule many players are happy to explain with force. Remember the lesson you learned, it's a valuable one.
If you have your wits about you EvE is extremely new player friendly, most older pilots are happy to show new players the ropes.
Everything in EvE is a trade off between risk and reward. You want the reward of a huge cargo hold and high mining yeild, you sacrifice things like HP (defences).
Lastly i'd point out (unsure if it's already been said) the person who killed you repeatedly must have not been in the same corp as you, since you mentioned Concord destroyed his ship. Corp mates are allowed to shoot you without concord interferance.
Hope things improve, but the risk you take by undocking a ship will remain. EvE is all about risks and consequences, and hand holding is kept to a minimum for good reasons. Drop me an EvE-Mail and i'll be happy to help out further. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |

Keno Skir
Frankenmouse Inc
695
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:33:00 -
[60] - Quote
GordonO wrote:Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day..
Your second point is quite simply incorrect, EvE gets more new player friendly with every patch.
That is all.
BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
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