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Kallie Altosoro The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.07.05 10:35:00 - [1] - Quote I'm almost four months in to the game. I'm no stranger to MMOs. But both CCP's games EVE Online and DUST 514 are absolutely draining me and I just don't understand why. Just so folks know where I'm coming from, here's what I've encountered in the last few months. There's no need to get in to the DUST issues. But when I first started playing EVE, it seemed to me that the best thing to do while training up my skills was to become a miner. It seems to pay well, it can provide a lot of needed minerals for all types of construction, the asteroids are easily found, ok. We'll get to mining. So, I get a Venture, some mining lasers, start training in skills for mining ships, mining upgrades, drones, and a few odds and ends like power recharging and such. Of course, after a few days, the wait period for real-time skill training is starting to hit week long periods. No problem. My mining abilities are fair. I'll just accrue ISK while waiting. But someone mentions to me that you can speed up your skill training with implants. Why not invest in a few? Implants are not cheap. And the best ones are a hundred million are more. Again, no problem. I may have to save a little bit but as I'm not buying anything, I have the ISK to get a few of the higher end implants. At most, they are taking off maybe 20% of the total training time. Still, seems like a decent trade off. Time passes and I can get my hands on, and pilot, the next tier of mining ships. Since I prefer a good sized cargo hold, I pick up and outfit a Retriever. It's a good ship for mining. Around this time, I am inundated with both live and bot corp recruitment. Again, I'm no stranger to gamer guilds. My experiences in others games that have guild services have not been pleasant. I tend to avoid them. But I think, eh, it's a new game. Give it a shot. Boy, was that a mistake. The first corp I get in to decides to have some fun with the newbie. Inviting me to a fleet mining session, the fleet commander drops a bookmark for me to warp to. But when I arrive at said bookmark, it's in the center of a group of pirates that promptly destroy my ship. The corp gets a good laugh out of it. But for whatever reason, one member does not think they have done enough and follows me around destroying the next three ships I buy as replacements. The corp's CEO response is "It's the risk you take." It is little compensation to me that CONCORD opens fire on the guy each time reducing his standing in to "Kill on sight" status. Needless to say, I left the corp having taken heavy monetary losses in ships, equipment, and implants. Once out of a player corp, it doesn't take long for the recruitment bots to start up again. Ok. I'll make my own corp. That will make the bots go away. Of course, the brilliant idea turns against me as someone war dec's me. I don't give it much thought until the person who declared the war finds me and pod kills me three times after using a locater to find me after I've replaced what was lost. The only way to put a stop to this is to disband my corp. The losses total almost one billion ISK. Someone suggests setting my CSPA fee to an outrageous number instead to deter recruiters. One million is set and it appears to work. For bot recruiters anyway. Because the three million I can get from a full haul of Veldspar is not being profitable anymore, I dare risk trying to mine more expensive ores like Massive Scordite and Omber. These ores sell rather well. Maybe I can break even. That means space around 0.6. But if I take a few combat drones, pirates shouldn't bother me. Bounties if they attack me and free salvaging their wrecks. This was going well until I must have unintentionally looted a yellow wreck because a player drops in and pods kills me. I couldn't even tell you what I picked up if that is what I did. I knew that taking loot from a wreck you do not own makes you a Suspect. But I thought all I was doing was salvaging. This time, the death is a substantial loss as I had a few +5 implants. $344,000,000 total just vented in to space. When I ask the attacker why they did this, I was basically told "Because I can." Now, my training queues get just over 24 hours added to them. I'm going to need money to replace them. So off I go with yet another Retriever to a quiet corner to mine. Wrong. The player from the previous attack orders a hit put on me and two players swarm in and I'm dead in seconds. Too add insult to injury, the killers put a bounty on me. I find out this was the case by talking to a few influential people. One of which tells me "I think your EVE career is screwed." This guy also added "Don't count on ever being asked to join a corp now. You're a liability and no one is going to want to risk guilt by association by having you in their corp. I'd re-roll." Is he right? Maybe. I don't have the funds to buy another Retriever and outfit it with even basic mining modules. And if I did earn enough ISK to do so, the EVE rule of "Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose" comes in to play and the Retriever would have to sit in a station unused. All I am left with is a Venture with a 5000 sized cargo hold and never leaving 1.0 space. Even that won't be much safer if "Frik and Frak" try to collect on the bounty they put on me. And rerolling means dumping three months of SP which is now over 3.5 million. I guess what I'm asking after that rant is what now? Is there no way to play low-key in this game? Or is EVE not new player friendly and established players just do not let new ones do...anything? Perhaps this is just my bad luck. Got any advice? And before I sign off, I fully expect to get "u suck nub," "kill yerself," and other interesting flames for even daring to post this. But advice is advice. Even if someone here tells me to "unsubscribe and gtfo." "Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2488	Posted - 2014.07.05 11:10:00 - [2] - Quote Welcome to eve! Ignore them, That bounty will have No impact on you whatsoever, they were ******* with you. As you now well know, mining is a crap profession (imo) i stooped fairly quickly. You may want to look into "eve uni" they have a good reputation at the minuet for Actually being newbie friendly. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3818	Posted - 2014.07.05 11:23:00 - [3] - Quote Bounties are meaningless. Nearly all my characters have bounties, even the ones that never undock. Things to do while mining: * Mine in low population systems (get out of Caldari space). My rule of thumb is look for systems with less people in local than there are asteroid belts. There are a LOT of systems like this! * Watch local count for sudden changes. * Watch local for suspects and criminals. Note who they are, and set them low standing (or their corp) if you note they are regulars in the area. * Figure out who the regulars are in the system (as opposed to those just passing through). * Check employment histories of regulars. Note those that are very old, very young, and those that have a very active (long) history. * Check killboards of regulars. * Check histories & killboards of ANY other ship in the belt. Suspect them all. [Handy: http://evewho.com/] Move to another belt if possible. * Try to keep moving when mining, preferable always towards something you can warp, but just orbiting an asteroid can help reduce damage. * Try to keep as much distance as possible between you and other ships in the belt. * Set your directional scan to 2 au or less, turn on the filter, sort by type, and watch for incoming ships. If your finger hurts pressing the dscan button, you are doing it right. I've been mining over 5 years. I'm still using the same ship. I don't pay extortionists for a "license".
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front 1344	Posted - 2014.07.05 12:01:00 - [4] - Quote Your whole story is shady. Players don't get targeted for that level of attention unless they have done something to deserve it. I'd love to hear the half of the story you aren't telling us. Anyway, it's obvious that you have a pretty poor grasp of how this game works, as opposed to other MMOs. I'd recommend joining EVE University and educating yourself. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19497	Posted - 2014.07.05 12:19:00 - [5] - Quote On top of Tau's advice you may find this interesting. Your bounty means nothing, if you don't have one you're the odd one out. Nobody is going to hunt you down for 20% of the value of whatever ship you're flying, unless of course you happen to fly a multi-billion isk loot pi+¦ata You're also in an NPC corp so suicide ganking is pretty all you have to worry about while you remain in one You look to be flying Retrievers, they should pay for themselves in a couple of hours. They get a huge ore hold but are fairly squishy as a result. They can be fitted so that they're harder to kill but it means sacrificing yield, and they're still a bit squishy. [Retriever, Player 1] 2x Strip Miner I 1x Survey Scanner I Damage Control II 2x Reinforced Bulkheads I ^^ Needs around 850 DPS (2 half decent Catalysts) to kill in a 0.5 before Concord roll up, you only get base yield though. Look into the Procurer, the ore hold is half that of the Retriever, but in exchange it gets some serious tanking ability. It should pay for itself in a few hours and most gankers will go for easier kills if they're available. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 494	Posted - 2014.07.05 12:52:00 - [6] - Quote I'd probably stop buying Plexes if i where you. People come into this game, spend cash on it expecting to get a head start, then die horribly and hate Eve. You shouldn't be running around with +5's when you don't understand the game. Eve is a game where you stand to lose everything in 1 fight if you don't know what you're doing. Everything you are talking about it fully avoidable or can be combated with experience. General rules of thumb: If you have to plex to afford a Non-PVP lifestyle in Hi Security Space then you're wasting money, time and sanity on this game. Don't undock in anything you can't afford to loose 2/3/4 times (again, WITHOUT spending RL cash on the ISK). You can play this game however you want, that applies to other people too though. If you die ONCE and it's an expensive loss (and you have), then there are vultures who will camp and harass you all day, simply because that's how they chose to play the game. Join a Corp. This game isn't a solo game - it's not farmville. Join an experienced corp and learn from their mistakes as well as your own. Sadly you've shown yourself to be a person potentially throwing real life cash into the game, so you will get people inviting you to corps on their alt's simply so their main character can gank you. Between your kill-board and this forum post, you've painted a bullseye on your head. It's time to get smart and dig in... or quit. It's harsh but you have come into a universe where sharks smell blood in the water and start circling VERY quickly. Regardless, stop spending real life cash for isk if you are doing it already. If you chose to continue doing it, you will continue to dislike this game because you are not playing it; instead you are just pumping money into a slot machine and pulling the lever every time you undock. The truth is that no one 'wins' Eve, so gambling isn't worth it.
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 416	Posted - 2014.07.05 13:27:00 - [7] - Quote Sounds like you had a couple bad experiences. Unless you are very hard to get along with, your player-corp experience is pretty atypical. Sounds like they were just jerks. However, this game was not meant to be played alone. I would highly recommend looking for another corp. Find one that specializes in mining, or look into some other activities. You don't have to mine forever. On looking for a corp, here is a good guide. Getting ganked is part of the mining profession. There are some ways to minimize your risk. Keep a low profile whenever possible. Move your operations when space becomes hostile. Fly a well tanked procurer instead of a retriever (much harder to take out quickly but less yield). Many people just factor in their losses as a business cost. As long as you've mined more ore than your retriever is worth by the time it gets destroyed it has already payed for itself. Mining corporations can also add additional layers of protection. A good corp will help you replace your ships - not blow them up for laughs. Finally, you should never lose your pod in highsec. When you are sure that your ship will be destroyed select a warpable object like a planet from the overview and spam click the "warp-to" button in the selected items box, while your ship is still in structure damage. As soon as your ship pops (which due to server ticks will be slightly before it actually shows that way on the screen) you pod will instantly warp (they align instantly). Normally, your pod will be warping out before your enemy can even see that your ship has been destroyed. They should have no chance to target your pod. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4089	Posted - 2014.07.05 15:07:00 - [8] - Quote Read all the above advice. And take 1 thing into account: This is a sandbox, where anybody can play in any way they like, this means there will be people who like the direct opposite of what you find fun. And take any loss or bad experience as a learning experience. Common sense and being careful can get you a long way in EVE. EDIT: You don't HAVE to mine when you are new. There are plenty of other options open for new players to make money, issue is that most new players think that mining is the only way to make money when you have low SP. Only mine if you really like it, if not, do what ever you want to do to get the most fun / hour. Fun / hour is the only proper way to see if you are playing EVE right. EDIT2: Also, if people go so far to kill you, you did ** them off in one way or another. Either by behaviour or by whining and complaining after their actions. The latter shows that they can influence you easily and thus will try their best to farm more tears from you. Same with your post, the tone and how you worded stuff makes it that you painted a bullseye on your back by any person who reads it and is in the more shady professions. EDIT3: Please for the love of god. Stop trying to see if EVE is pay2win, it isn't. Don't dump RL cash into a game where it doesn't matter how much RL cash you put into it in terms of how good you are. As a new player, you should have an income that scales with the stuff you can do. A new player has access to lower level implants and smaller ships and thus doesn't need a billion / hour income to sustain himself/herself. Rule 1 of EVE isn't "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" for no reason, if you can't afford to lose those +5 implants, don't undock that pod (or know how to get a pod away safely - in low and high-sec there is no reason other then huge lag to lose a pod). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road**
Ethikos SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 42	Posted - 2014.07.05 16:13:00 - [9] - Quote I am going to +1 the ignore the bounty advice above. I am also going to +1 the fly cheap advice above. We all did it, we started playing and thought "man if I could just get that very shiny fit I would be fine". A PLEX or two latter, your outfitted and rolling out in your shiny until you explode. Its part of the learning process when you first start. As you learn game mechanics, fly cheap and expect to explode fairly often. Even better advice than ignore them is to join EvE University or Brave Newbies. I dont know who the "influential individual" was, but it sounds like they were trolling you. Unless you are personally very irritating / annoying / jerk as an individual (I doubt it), the alliances mentioned above will most likely not care at all that someone is putting a bounty on you and coming after you with one or two pilots. My guess is those alliances will look it as content generation and a chance to kill one or two pilots operating alone, that is if those alliances think about it at all. On the implant side. Implants are great for helping you reduce your training time. Dont run around +5 training implants. As you found out, they are very expensive and will be lost if you get podded. Instead, may I recommend the +3 training implants. They are all +3 to your core attributes and cost 10 million ISK a piece. With a complete set your spending 50 million ISK. You get the majority of the benefits while only being out the cost of a fitted assault frigate if you go boom. The +3s are all named basic, for example "Ocular Filter - Basic". https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266074 - Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
gfldex 713	Posted - 2014.07.05 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote Haedonism Bot wrote: I'd love to hear the half of the story you aren't telling us. There you go. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2495	Posted - 2014.07.05 16:37:00 - [11] - Quote gfldex wrote: Haedonism Bot wrote: I'd love to hear the half of the story you aren't telling us. There you go. HA! i remember that now yeah, i think ISD Dorrim Barstorlode must have clicked in as i did, i was going to fling poo at the op for acting like a child but the thread was locked before i could post "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 1433	Posted - 2014.07.05 16:57:00 - [12] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: One of which tells me "I think your EVE career is screwed." This guy also added "Don't count on ever being asked to join a corp now. You're a liability and no one is going to want to risk guilt by association by having you in their corp. I'd re-roll." NO! 1000 x no! The person who told you that is 100% wrong. 1. Quit buying expensive implants at this point. 2. Use the corp-finding guide available in the stickies top of this forum to find a corp you like. 3. Mining solo is pretty much boring. Mine with a group. There is a reason fleet mining is called "chatrooms with lasers". You can learn a lot talking to other players. Don't AFK mine. Never use a bot program! (Boo Hiss - hate real bots) 4. Please keep in mind that there are many things to do in EVE. Mining is ok at first for many players, but not all choose to do it later at all. (some do - see: Chribba ) EVE really is a game primarily focused on war, but there is a place for players who choose a niche in it of fueling the vast machine of videogame warfare that is EVE. 5. Nobody will be left completely alone, no, but your unfortunate experiences in EVE so far are not the way it could be. EVE is like a Reef in the ocean...everything constantly eating or trying to eat everything else. The fun part is in trying not to be eaten. (for me, anyway - players are different) 6. Don't quit. Build yourself back up from nothing with a venture if you have to. Learn from it all. Adapt yourself. I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Cannibal Kane Somali Coast Guard Authority 4022	Posted - 2014.07.05 18:34:00 - [13] - Quote Mail me that corp name. I think I am going to play a bit with them and see how they enjoy it. Despite what people believe or think, I am not an awoxer. I dont mind it either, so I understand if you want somebody to join your corp to kill that shiny deadspace/officer fitted ship joining your corp. What I do despise, is those awoxing new guys just because they are new and if this is people I know or part of the group I share intel with. They will surely experience my displeasure of it. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Nikolai Lachance Happy Wheels Logistics 118	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote It takes almost 10 months of skill training while using +5's (vs +4s) to make up for the time spent training Cybernetics from IV to V. It takes 2 months of training while using +4's (vs +3s) to make up for the train from Cybernetics I to IV. All that time you spent training Cybernetics just so you could use +5's means it's going to take you almost a year of training (with +5s installed) before you'll catch up to where you'd have been if you just stopped at Cybernetics I and installed much cheaper +3s. In my opinion, Cybernetics V is only worth the train if you're planning on using top-end hardwirings or Omega implants. Sure, after that 10 months, your +5's are now putting you ahead of the game for as long as you have them, but they only net you an extra 788k skill points per year. That's less than 2 weeks of training time. By the time you are earning the ISK to spend on expensive implants, you're probably going with fancy faction implants which cap out at +4 anyway.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4092	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:19:00 - [15] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: gfldex wrote: Haedonism Bot wrote: I'd love to hear the half of the story you aren't telling us. There you go. HA! i remember that now yeah, i think ISD Dorrim Barstorlode must have clicked in as i did, i was going to fling poo at the op for acting like a child but the thread was locked before i could post Wow. OP is indeed a very special snowflake. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4092	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:23:00 - [16] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Mail me that corp name. I think I am going to play a bit with them and see how they enjoy it. Despite what people believe or think, I am not an awoxer. I dont mind it either, so I understand if you want somebody to join your corp to kill that shiny deadspace/officer fitted ship joining your corp. What I do despise, is those awoxing new guys just because they are new and if this is people I know or part of the group I share intel with. They will surely experience my displeasure of it. don't stress it Kane, already looked it all up (to see and confirm they were indeed wartargets that killed OP). That corp is already closed. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 544	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:25:00 - [17] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: This game isn't a solo game. Cara Forelli wrote: However, this game was not meant to be played alone. It is if you want it to be.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4092	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:26:00 - [18] - Quote Nikolai Lachance wrote: It takes almost 10 months of skill training while using +5's (vs +4s) to make up for the time spent training Cybernetics from IV to V. It takes 2 months of training while using +4's (vs +3s) to make up for the train from Cybernetics I to IV. All that time you spent training Cybernetics just so you could use +5's means it's going to take you almost a year of training (with +5s installed) before you'll catch up to where you'd have been if you just stopped at Cybernetics I and installed much cheaper +3s. In my opinion, Cybernetics V is only worth the train if you're planning on using top-end hardwirings or Omega implants. Sure, after that 10 months, your +5's are now putting you ahead of the game for as long as you have them, but they only net you an extra 788k skill points per year. That's less than 2 weeks of training time. By the time you are earning the ISK to spend on expensive implants, you're probably going with fancy faction implants which cap out at +4 anyway. This. General use then +3 or +4 implants are MORE then enough. I have a single JC in a station with +5's on it, and only used that clone if I know that I will not be logging on for over a month (vacation, busy work schedule etc.). Otherwise it won't even pay off to jump back and forth. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4092	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:27:00 - [19] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: Maeltstome wrote: This game isn't a solo game. Cara Forelli wrote: However, this game was not meant to be played alone. It is if you want it to be. Well, I agree with Oraac vs Cara, you can play alone. However Maeltstome has a point, it's not a solo game, no matter what you do, as soon as you log in, you are "playing" with others, if you want it or not. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 544	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:29:00 - [20] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: Maeltstome wrote: This game isn't a solo game. Cara Forelli wrote: However, this game was not meant to be played alone. It is if you want it to be. Well, I agree with Oraac vs Cara, you can play alone. However Maeltstome has a point, it's not a solo game, no matter what you do, as soon as you log in, you are "playing" with others, if you want it or not. Depends on your definition of "solo".
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 416	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: It is if you want it to be. It's true, some people enjoy playing by themselves. I think it's safe to say this is the minority of players, however. I'm actually quite introverted and I probably spend 85% of my time "soloing pvping", but being part of an active corp still vastly increases my enjoyment. It's even more important when you're first trying to climb the learning curve. Sure it can be done with some (a lot) of googling, but it's much easier and faster to learn from others. TLDR: You're right. I'm right. Yay. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4092	Posted - 2014.07.05 19:43:00 - [22] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: J'Poll wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: Maeltstome wrote: This game isn't a solo game. Cara Forelli wrote: However, this game was not meant to be played alone. It is if you want it to be. Well, I agree with Oraac vs Cara, you can play alone. However Maeltstome has a point, it's not a solo game, no matter what you do, as soon as you log in, you are "playing" with others, if you want it or not. Depends on your definition of "solo". My definition of solo is totally alone, without any interaction or what so ever with other people. Hell, buying something from the market already means it isn't solo anymore as you used another player to aquire what you bought. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Cannibal Kane Somali Coast Guard Authority 4028	Posted - 2014.07.05 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote Yeah just saw the dude got popped by war targets and not his own corp mates. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Oraac Ensor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 544	Posted - 2014.07.06 00:02:00 - [24] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: It is if you want it to be. It's true, some people enjoy playing by themselves. I think it's safe to say this is the minority of players, however. Not according to CCP Rise at this year's Fanfest or the survey conducted by CCP a couple of years ago. J'Poll wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: Depends on your definition of "solo". My definition of solo is totally alone, without any interaction or what so ever with other people. Which is all but impossible in EVE, rendering the term "solo" totally irrelevant. My definition is not in a player corp or any other sort of semi-permanent relationship with other players. As Maeltstome and Cara both suggest being in a corp as the alternative to playing solo or alone, it would appear to be theirs too.
Kallie Altosoro The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.07.06 01:59:00 - [25] - Quote I don't know what makes people think I am buying PLEX. I'm not. All I did was pay for a one year subscription to the game. Nothing else. No extra for in-game ISK or anything like that. To date, I've never even had half the amount of ISK that you can buy PLEX for. Yeah, Ok. I overreacted to the guy last month who put a bounty on me. According to the cinematic for the expansion that added the bounty system (I watched them all before deciding to play the game,) it appeared to me that bounties were added in to the game to deter bad behavior (You want to destroy ships? Fine. See how YOU like it not being able to enter friendly space without someone gunning for your backside!) That may have been the intention anyway. So, to me, having a bounty is a bad thing. But it turns out that players in the game turned putting a bounty on someone from a punishment to an expression of affection. "I like you. So, here's 100,000 ISK on your head." "Yeah. I love you too. Here's a bullet in your brain." Weird but I'm not surprised when game players distort an option to do something the developers never intended that option to do. Still, I'm of the mindset that if you have a large bounty on your head, you've done something wrong. I'm sure I'll get over it eventually. But there will always be a lingering doubt. Perhaps I should invest in a jump clone that never leaves a station and put the +5's on that. They may not seem worth it to some. But I'm told that before too long, I will start seeing two weeks or more on training times. Possibly even more than thirty days to train a skill. If I can reduce that, I'd like to. I hadn't considered the jump clone idea. Sounds like a plan. I don't know about corps / guilds. I've been playing MMO's for more than eleven years. I've yet to find groups of people who don't, at some point, break their own rules. I have a real problem with ** jokes. I have for longer than I've been playing MMO's. Recruiters have always assured me that "We don't tolerate that." Inevitably, someone will make a ** joke and if I complain even to the same person who assured me that "We don't tolerate that," I'm told that I need to lighten up. I've seen this so often that I just cannot take anyone at their word anymore. Maybe that makes me a total jerk. Maybe having morals is a horrible, horrible thing in today's world. But it's hard to have fun when something you feel strongly about keeps happening. Not to mention being invited to fleet mining and killed by those who are supposed to be your "corp mates." Even canines eventually run away from their masters if their master keeps hitting them. I'll have to look in to directional scanning, kill boards, and such. It is a bit more work than I thought I'd have to do in a video game. But if it must be done, so be it. I've talked to lots of people who mine in the game. None of them have reported the losses or frequency of attacks I've had to endure for being such a "special snowflake." But it still surprises me that people blame the dragon when the dragon bites them after the person pokes the dragon with a stick. What do people expect the dragon to do, say "Please, sir, may I have another?" I'd like to think that I am fairly easy to get along with. Treat me with respect, don't insult me, and I respond in kind. I don't know why I'm expected to take being told I'm am the slang word for male genitalia as a compliment. shrug Edit: the forums never seem to want to post my entries. I always have to hit "post" three times for the words to appear. I wonder why that is. "Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk
Nikolai Lachance Happy Wheels Logistics 120	Posted - 2014.07.06 02:30:00 - [26] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: I don't know what makes people think I am buying PLEX. I'm not. All I did was pay for a one year subscription to the game. Nothing else. No extra for in-game ISK or anything like that. To date, I've never even had half the amount of ISK that you can buy PLEX for. Apparently you managed to buy +5 implants though, a full set of which will run half a billion ISK, which is approaching PLEX value. Quote: Weird but I'm not surprised when game players distort an option to do something the developers never intended that option to do. Still, I'm of the mindset that if you have a large bounty on your head, you've done something wrong. I'm sure I'll get over it eventually. But there will always be a lingering doubt. It's not so much that players distorted it, it's just that it failed to have the intended effect. Still, the bounty system now is much more sensible than it used to be. But, the amount of bounty someone has pretty much never influences whether or not someone is willing to attack them. Quote: Perhaps I should invest in a jump clone that never leaves a station and put the +5's on that. They may not seem worth it to some. But I'm told that before too long, I will start seeing two weeks or more on training times. Possibly even more than thirty days to train a skill. If I can reduce that, I'd like to. I hadn't considered the jump clone idea. Sounds like a plan. Well, since you've trained Cybernetics to V, every minute spent training without +5s installed is time where that Cybernetics train is wasted. So, you might as well use those implants again when you can afford them. Just don't go breaking the bank to do it. Also, you should never lose your pod in highsec space (and rarely in lowsec even). Search around for some information on that. Quote: Not to mention being invited to fleet mining and killed by those who are supposed to be your "corp mates." Even canines eventually run away from their masters if their master keeps hitting them. Well clearly you found a group who derives pleasure from reverse awoxing (ie inviting players into their corp for the purpose of killing them without penalty). Joining a corp in Eve requires a bit more diligence and research than joining a guild in other games does, precisely because of things like this. I would tend to avoid recruiting spam and instead look for interesting people in the game you can enjoy collaborating with. Then, see if they want to let you in their corp (or form a new one with you). Quote: But it still surprises me that people blame the dragon when the dragon bites them after the person pokes the dragon with a stick. What do people expect the dragon to do, say "Please, sir, may I have another?" I'd like to think that I am fairly easy to get along with. Treat me with respect, don't insult me, and I respond in kind. I don't know why I'm expected to take being told I'm am the slang word for male genitalia as a compliment. shrug You don't have to take it as a compliment, but you better learn to let it roll off your back. Half the crap people pull in this game is to get a rise out of the victim. You'll often hear about people's lust for harvesting "tears". It seems to be a currency in this game. If you can get someone to whine or ***** about something you did to them, you're apparently winning at Eve. Demonstrating that you can be a reliable source of tears will only invite more attempts at extracting them. It's possible you've developed this reputation. It can be hard to shake. However, I think there's hope for you. You did come to the forums to complain about the problems, but you didn't do it in an especially whiny or entitled way. I think you kind of get how the game works, and you just had a bad go of it and might be able to turn it around. The real question you have to ask yourself is if you're willing to endure more of this crap to continue in this game or not. It's not for everyone, and we like it that way.
Kallie Altosoro The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.07.06 02:44:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Apparently you managed to buy +5 implants though, a full set of which will run half a billion ISK, which is approaching PLEX value. I just mined a lot of ore and didn't buy anything unless I had to. It added up over time. Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then. "Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2014.07.06 03:22:00 - [28] - Quote You really need to get a tanked Procurer if you want to take advantage of those implants. You can switch into a Retriever when you know you are safe or you've earned enough Isk to be able to afford the loss. Use Dotlan to find a safe system to mine and check it each day for Code activity. Add Code and other known gankers to your contact list. Don't reroll your char. But, consider using one of your alt slots to create a character you can use to post on these forums so that you don't attract unnecessary attention. When someone gives you advice in game -- verify it with others before taking it. I copy my text before I post so I can get it back. Hang in there ... you're showing a willingness to learn and study - you'll be fine.
Cannibal Kane Somali Coast Guard Authority 4031	Posted - 2014.07.06 06:28:00 - [29] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: . Please stop lying. You were not killed by your corp mates. You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person. This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Kallie Altosoro The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.07.06 07:40:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: Please stop lying. You were not killed by your corp mates. You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person. This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank. You assume that THIS character was the one I experienced the corp grief with. You would be incorrect. That character was returned to biomass and this character created in it's place ( I cannot have more than one really without buying PLEX so they can train skills.) Yes, Dexson forced me to abandon the corp I made for myself. The attacker afterwards was someone named Bram Ridder or something like that. The last two that attacked me, one is named Septagon Trans, I think. From the Illuminati. I was not going to name names. But when I'm called a "liar," I feel a need to defend myself. I'm starting to believe I should stop doing that since it never works out. Such as I see here. "Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk
Belesia Velorea Bunch of Noobs Logistics 3	Posted - 2014.07.06 10:20:00 - [31] - Quote Never mind just tanking your ship atleast fully fit it, rigs included. Go somewhere quiter and preferably away from Caldari space and learn your locals and use d-scan. Try not to respond to peoples verbal bait both in game and here on the forum aswell. Unlike most other mmo's EVE is nice and unique in the sense that out of game action can actually follow you into the game and vice versa. It's one of the more entertaining aspects of the game because it makes you somewhat more accountable for things you do and say. If you asked me what I would do though... i'd move out of highsec, sure there's much more inherent danger but if you employ the necessary precautions and counter measures you will rarely die. Things become much more rewarding imo when you leave behind the artificial safe guards of highsec that most who hide behind don't fully understand anyway. Find a nice quite area of low/null and just have Black Frog do all your transporting. The game becomes a lot more fun and enjoyable. Just adapt and move on. You have everything in this thread now to continue better prepared.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4096	Posted - 2014.07.06 10:35:00 - [32] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: Quote: Please stop lying. You were not killed by your corp mates. You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person. This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank. You assume that THIS character was the one I experienced the corp grief with. You would be incorrect. That character was returned to biomass and this character created in it's place ( I cannot have more than one really without buying PLEX so they can train skills.) Yes, Dexson forced me to abandon the corp I made for myself. The attacker afterwards was someone named Bram Ridder or something like that. The last two that attacked me, one is named Septagon Trans, I think. From the Illuminati. I was not going to name names. But when I'm called a "liar," I feel a need to defend myself. I'm starting to believe I should stop doing that since it never works out. Such as I see here. Issue with that statement: Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills. But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Albert Dexson Dexson Ventures 0	Posted - 2014.07.06 11:29:00 - [33] - Quote I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories. As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities. War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro. For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording. Quote: There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked. Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed. Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise. A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time. The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members. As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper. have a nice day
Kallie Altosoro The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:14:00 - [34] - Quote Quote: Issue with that statement: Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills. But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards. Ok. I'm not reading the combat logs right then. And now Dexson has showed up. Frankly, the more I go on, the more the ******* I'll be. Fine. Fine, you all win. I'll throw Kallie in to the biomass and start over again since it's obvious I'll never be able to get anywhere now. I'll just accept full responsibility for everything and that I'm a liar on top of it all. You can all laugh now. Bye. "Hey, this is my kind of rain.-á No wonder the sky looked funny today."-á -Dante At warp, I can fly through a star.-á But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.-á /smirk
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4096	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:27:00 - [35] - Quote Albert Dexson wrote: I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories. As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities. War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro. For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording. Quote: There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked. Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed. Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise. A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time . The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members. As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper. have a nice day You must be new to the forums. Killmails / killboard links are not allowed other then in 1 specific thread in Crime & Punishment, suggest remove them otherwise your friendly forum moderator will just delete the entire post. EDIT: Removed killboard links out of quoted text Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Lantro Loonstar 10	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:31:00 - [36] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then. It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4096	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:38:00 - [37] - Quote I stand corrected. Found the kill by Septagon Trans Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4096	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:39:00 - [38] - Quote Lantro wrote: Kallie Altosoro wrote: Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then. It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4. cough Bigger isn't always better. In EVE it's not about what is bigger, it's about what is most effective. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Lugia3 Intentionally Dense Easily Excited 1000	Posted - 2014.07.06 13:49:00 - [39] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: But both CCP's games EVE Online and DUST 514 are absolutely draining me and I just don't understand why. I'll be honest, I stopped reading your wall of text right there. Want to be fulfilled and not drained? Stop mining, and pewpew. Buy a hundred Rifters and lose every single one in a glorious explosion. Learn from every fight. Analyze what you did wrong. After that, you will know what to do. And Dust, it's called Bust 514 for a reason. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Chinwe Rhei Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2014.07.06 14:58:00 - [40] - Quote The only reason you're in this situation is that you're stubburnly buying +5s for hundreds of millions of isk every time you die without them making a huge difference in your training time. What''s the hurry ? It's not worth it. If you didn't do that your losses would be covered by your income in a day and you could just shrug them off and learn from them like it's intended.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3829	Posted - 2014.07.06 15:19:00 - [41] - Quote Basically, there are a lot of people that actually enjoy EVE, and many of us want you to also. The first thing you really need to work on is taking responsibility. Your EVE experience depends on you; everything that happens to you in EVE is because of actions you decided to take. Even if that is only clicking the undock button. Blaming everyone else but yourself for your troubles will get you nowhere. Accept your losses, learn from them, and move on. Make plenty of mistakes, and have no regrets, rather just have fun. Being able to laugh at yourself will take you far. EVE is just a game, so don't take it seriously, and make sure you are always doing something you consider fun. Many good suggestions have already been made in this thread. It is up to you how to proceed though. One of my all-time favorite threads is by a rookie asking for help. It is worth reading the entire thread in my opinion. Note his attitude, and the community's response to his attitude. Am I too stupid to play EVE? Another favorite thread is from Reddit: Experiences of a total n00b, barely 4 days into trial. It is epic, because he won EVE so early-on by "getting it". Worth reading the blog he started too (link at the bottom of his post). Seems like he found a fun corp too. There are a lot of corps in EVE. If you don't like your corp, find another! For what it is worth, I've been considering applying to BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP, a member of BRAVE Collective, the second largest non-renter alliance. BOVRIL is known as the "Blood Miners" because they also PvP. They are nulsec based in BUZ-DB, which has an ice field and a Minmatar outpost for reprocessing. [See, I've done my research on them.] EDIT: Another epic Reddit post, Could anyone explain - like I'm five - what Eve is?
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4099	Posted - 2014.07.06 15:55:00 - [42] - Quote What Tau said. I made mistakes FAR worse then yours, yet I'm still here, enjoying myself. Hell, I even laugh how stupid I was and use it as an example to new players who say that vets don't make mistake. As killmails aren't allowed, let's me give you the run down. Here I was, a new player, less then 2 months into EVE and received a nice Xmas bonus from my boss. Thought, let's make EVE easier on the in game wallet, let's buy some PLEX. Redeemed them in Jita but found out a couple of systems over, you could get a better price. Bought a Tayra (then called Badger Mark II) and some cargo expanders, loaded up a dozen skillbooks I needed, a Hulk and Covetor and the 4 PLEX into my badger and undocked. And I died before I even could load the undock grid. Luckily for the killer, all 4 PLEX did drop. Did I got angry, sure, for about 2 hours. But I was angry at myself because I made a stupid mistake. Did I biomass my character, hell no. Why would I, it was ME who made the mistake, not my character. Did I come to the forums complaining about it. Nope, because it wouldn't change the fact that I made a mistake. In EVE any experience, both positive AND negative, are a result of your OWN actions or lack there of. I learned that a wardec means that if you are camped in a station, don't just blindly undock ship after ship. I learned that you should not carry PLEX in any ship, especially an untanked industrial. I learned how to get my POD out of situations where I'm not bubbled (which in itself only happens in null-sec). Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 1435	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:00:00 - [43] - Quote Soo, OP...to save a little time training you spent a lot of time to be able to do that...no wonder you are not enjoying your game time. Also, stop being so sensitive. I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front 1348	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:00:00 - [44] - Quote Kallie Altosoro wrote: Quote: Issue with that statement: Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills. But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards. Ok. I'm not reading the combat logs right then. And now Dexson has showed up. Frankly, the more I go on, the more the ******* I'll be. Fine. Fine, you all win. I'll throw Kallie in to the biomass and start over again since it's obvious I'll never be able to get anywhere now. I'll just accept full responsibility for everything and that I'm a liar on top of it all. You can all laugh now. Bye. There is no need to biomass, since I suspect your winning personality will result in the same sorts of attention regardless of what character you are playing. What I gather from this thread is that you have discovered the most glorious thing about this MMO - that every action has consequences. If you go on public forums or channels and say offensive things to people, they are likely to use in-game means to attack your character. This is fine and normal. My recommendation to you remains the same - join EVE University. If they will still take you after the way you've made an ass of yourself here. If they won't, try RvB or something. Either way, sell all your assets and use the isk to buy a couple hundred Rifters. Then keep your mouth shut and focus on blapping all the things with no regard for your personal safety. Do this for a couple of months and I think you will have a better perspective on things (and the enemies you've made for yourself will likely have forgotten you.) www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 418	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:19:00 - [45] - Quote Don't biomass. EvE is a long term game. Patience is very important. Whether it's putting up with an extra day of training because you really can't afford to lose +5s, or sticking it out until your reputation blows over (I give it two weeks before everyone forgets about this thread). I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you, plus you can be beautiful like me. I'm going to echo the advice above. If you don't enjoy being prey, perhaps it's time to consider being the predator. And no, not all combat characters are like the (arguably unsavory) ones you have run into so far. There are plenty of well meaning pew-pewers from low, null, to WH space that just want to blow things up and have a good time, and would be glad to help you get started doing the same. Not sure I would recommend 100 rifters though. Maybe 100 breachers...or tristans. Rifters are so 2010. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7610	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:24:00 - [46] - Quote Hey, turns out if you talk smack on the forums, you might garner attention. Who'd have thunk it? Next time, don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash. Oh, and watchlisted. Been away for a little while, but I might still have a ganker character nearby where it looks like you live. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
gfldex 714	Posted - 2014.07.06 16:45:00 - [47] - Quote Since it's story time, here is mine. Well, one of them anyway. Many many years ago I joined a corp. I picked it on a german forum (my english wasn't that good 10 years ago) by counting the spelling and grammar mistakes. The lowest number was my pick. Surprisingly them germans turned out to be quite nice and very active in game (Browsers didn't have spelling correction back then. Made it a lot easier to spot the jerks.). Just 14 days after I started to play I was in hed-gp and shed some blood. But that's not really where my story begins. It all started when one of us corpnoobs figured that we could mine in lowsec, because it has riches and is only 4 jumps away. Of all systems he picked Ami. Not knowing the dangers but expecting the worst I checked my wallet and the local prices for a new Thorax. Was looking good so of I went. We met up just one jump from Ami and one of us scouted the gate. In his Maller. Surprisingly nothing bad happened, so we proceeded into a belt and started shooting rocks with laz0rs. Just 10 minutes later two gankageddons appeared out of nowhere (because we didn't spam the directional scanner) and unshipped us. Back in the day lag was laggy and sensor boosters had no stacking penalty. Out of the six of us who woke up in the clowning station two where laughing. Those two stayed with EVE for many years to come. My advice is twofold. Firstly, expect the worst and laugh when it happens. Have a smile if you get away. And secondly, spend time on picking your corp. If it takes you less then a week, don't expect great results. In fact that is true for pretty much anything you do in EVE. If there is cut-throat competition -- take the time to get a knife! If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5700	Posted - 2014.07.06 17:58:00 - [48] - Quote "How did you veterans start?" We all have stories to tell. Even us veterans have failed miserably (some of us multiple times) taking the first few steps into the game. The trick is to rise to the challenge and accept that while you are allowed to do anything you want, so can everyone else... for better or worse. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2050	Posted - 2014.07.06 18:57:00 - [49] - Quote i put on an endless loop of yakety sax halfway through this thread. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
gfldex 716	Posted - 2014.07.06 19:07:00 - [50] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: i put on an endless loop of yakety sax halfway through this thread. I counter your link with a counter-link. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front 1349	Posted - 2014.07.06 19:14:00 - [51] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Not sure I would recommend 100 rifters though. Maybe 100 breachers...or tristans. Rifters are so 2010. I was referring to proverbial Rifters, not literal Rifters. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2109	Posted - 2014.07.06 20:38:00 - [52] - Quote Biomass button is there for a reason, use it. Push da button. Push it good... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 1435	Posted - 2014.07.06 20:55:00 - [53] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Biomass button is there for a reason, use it. Push da button. Push it good... I think it's a little "x" on the top of the character pic in the log-in now...not that it effects your sentiment.... I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2110	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:12:00 - [54] - Quote It might be a small button but it's first button you see and can click. Click it, click it now. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
GordonO The Oasis Group 52	Posted - 2014.07.07 00:25:00 - [55] - Quote Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. .
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front 1350	Posted - 2014.07.07 09:46:00 - [56] - Quote GordonO wrote: Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. This is a misconception. I've found EVE to be very new player friendly and that it gets more so all the time. Note that "new player friendly" is not the same thing as "easy", although by that measure too, it has a much softer learning curve than it once did. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Soylent Jade New Order Logistics CODE. 124	Posted - 2014.07.07 14:09:00 - [57] - Quote If you insist on mining, for God's sake quit flying Retrievers. Procurers are as cheap and have a crap ton more EHP (effective hit points). You'll have to make more trips back to station, but those trips won't be in pods (much). Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time minerbumping.com
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2554	Posted - 2014.07.07 15:28:00 - [58] - Quote Haedonism Bot wrote: GordonO wrote: Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. This is a misconception. I've found EVE to be very new player friendly and that it gets more so all the time. Note that "new player friendly" is not the same thing as "easy", although by that measure too, it has a much softer learning curve than it once did. This is pretty true, my partner was beating helpful people back with a stick the last time she tried. However hated the gameplay so didn't stay( though she adamantly refused to try anything els till she "mastered" exploring...pre odyssey....yeah). "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Keno Skir Frankenmouse Inc 695	Posted - 2014.07.07 17:31:00 - [59] - Quote Its a dangerous game, thats what we like about it (most of us anyway). There is a well known rule of EvE that basically states "Don't use equipment you cannot easily afford to replace unless you can handle the inevitable loss". You aren't expected to know that to start with, but as you have discovered it's a rule many players are happy to explain with force. Remember the lesson you learned, it's a valuable one. If you have your wits about you EvE is extremely new player friendly, most older pilots are happy to show new players the ropes. Everything in EvE is a trade off between risk and reward. You want the reward of a huge cargo hold and high mining yeild, you sacrifice things like HP (defences). Lastly i'd point out (unsure if it's already been said) the person who killed you repeatedly must have not been in the same corp as you, since you mentioned Concord destroyed his ship. Corp mates are allowed to shoot you without concord interferance. Hope things improve, but the risk you take by undocking a ship will remain. EvE is all about risks and consequences, and hand holding is kept to a minimum for good reasons. Drop me an EvE-Mail and i'll be happy to help out further. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :)
Keno Skir Frankenmouse Inc 695	Posted - 2014.07.07 17:33:00 - [60] - Quote GordonO wrote: Find a decent new player friendly corp and join. EVE is not new player friendly and it gets less so every day.. Your second point is quite simply incorrect, EvE gets more new player friendly with every patch. That is all. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :)
Keno Skir Frankenmouse Inc 697	Posted - 2014.07.07 18:14:00 - [61] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you This is pointless, your avatar makes near 0 difference to anything and should be largely ignored forever. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3838	Posted - 2014.07.08 00:59:00 - [62] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Cara Forelli wrote: I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you This is pointless, your avatar makes near 0 difference to anything and should be largely ignored forever. I think Cara Forelli was attempting to inject some humour. At least I hope so.
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 419	Posted - 2014.07.08 02:53:00 - [63] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Keno Skir wrote: Cara Forelli wrote: I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you This is pointless, your avatar makes near 0 difference to anything and should be largely ignored forever. I think Cara Forelli was attempting to inject some humour. At least I hope so. Yes. I'm hilarious. And beautiful. But really, some people have visual memories. I often recognize people's portraits rather than their names. I honestly have no idea what OPs name is of the top of my head, but I could pick out her portrait from a lineup. But yeah. It's not gonna help if someone really wants to mess up your day. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2585	Posted - 2014.07.08 14:06:00 - [64] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: Keno Skir wrote: Cara Forelli wrote: I would recommend a resculp though. People might not recognize you This is pointless, your avatar makes near 0 difference to anything and should be largely ignored forever. I think Cara Forelli was attempting to inject some humour. At least I hope so. Yes. I'm hilarious. And beautiful. But really, some people have visual memories. I often recognize people's portraits rather than their names. I honestly have no idea what OPs name is of the top of my head, but I could pick out her portrait from a lineup. But yeah. It's not gonna help if someone really wants to mess up your day. pretty much this, i wouldn't retain the names of a lot of regulars here barring the rather distinctive ones (J'poll ,Tau,Haedonism Bot and so on) but ill remember the avatar and the associated attitudes of the player. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything

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