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Posted - 2006.06.26 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 11:02:52
Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 11:00:57
Agony Unleashed PvP University continues to offer PvP training services for those new to PvP in Eve. Feel the adrenaline. Enroll now and learn how to fight back.
On Saturday, July 1 at 1800 Eve Time we will be holding another PVP-BASIC seminar. The same seminar that over 350 students have attended with 100% suctomer satisfaction. Go ahead and ask them what they think. You will never have had so much fun in Eve.
Enroll now by clicking here. and stop being a victim to the scum of Eve.
This course covers how to move in fleets, Make instas, create and use safe spots, reconnaissance and much more. You will learn the basics of how to tackle, coordinate your attacks, jam your opponents and basic pvp fitting. In addition, you will learn how to set up your overview to make sure that you can fight effectively without stupid mistakes made be pilots new to PvP. Finally, You will learn how to prioritize your skill training to make you more capable in PvP. At the enf of the course you will be able to effectively fight as a member of a tech 1 frigate fleet wolfpack, some of the most fun pvp in the game. During the course we will be flying in a PvP capacity in lowsec space as well as potentially 0.0 space in one of two pirate infested regions.
- Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
- Required Skills:
- Propulsion Jamming 1
- Afterburner 1
- Racial Frigate 3
- Sensor Linking 1
- Warp Drive Operation 3
- Target Painting 1
- Weapon Disruption 1
- Electronic Warfare 1
Required Equipment: Detailed in PVP-BASIC forum
Cost: 5m isk Per pilot. Each pilot can bring up to 2 friends with them for 2.5m isk each. That is three people for the price of two, a perfect chance to get your corp mates involved. Please note that your buddy must also register and post here and you must declare them to be your buddy in your enrollment post!
Duration: Estimated 3 hours instruction plus undefined amount of flight time putting what you have learned to use!
Instructor: Rasql
Location: Stacmon
Minimum Enrollment: 15 Students
Enrollment Cap: 35 Students
Send ISK To: Kesro
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Can pirates join up? Yes, its a serious question.
If they can get to Stacmon V, Impro Factory and observe the cease fire which forbids combat between students during the seminar and for 2 jumps around it, during the class, yes.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Jenny Spitfire fully endorse this thread. Rells is a good teacher. This is the place to be when you want to try PvP for the first time. You can come to me after graduation. 
Rells, contact me when you are going to do an Agony IPO.
Thanks Jenny; as always I appreciate your support. Contact me by Eve Mail when you get a chance.
-- Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is one of the big scams in eve and its still working...
Our students are our record and we have 100% customer satisfaction. Dont ask me, ask them.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!
Blow your lying butt out of space.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 12:52:31
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). If they are the loss of that BS + time invested by the teacher and the whole thing behind it, 5 mil doesn't sound much. If these lessons keep you alive 2 times in your whole EVE experience it's a good deal.
But yeah, for real new players 5 mil is a lot.
The wolfpack is actual combat not simulated. Have your clone up to date, you could get podded. But then learning not to fear being podded is important. 
Any newbie that needs help raising funds for the course is welcome to come along when Im doing level 3 or 4 missions and loot everything. Im only interested in the bounties and LP at the moment. Other AGONY pilots will invite you as well. Just join our public channel and chat us up.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Caleb Paine
My guess is that they'll provide a BS to test it on (not sure tho). .
lol, they'll roam around syndicate and looking for other noobs and ocasionaly they find mining bs or something wich they jamm with 100jammers
The killmails are on the enrollment thread. At least some of them. Some of our students dont post their killmails.
And I would highly doubt there are many noobs in syndicate. But I see why you are so angry? Is your main the driver of that geddon from the June 24th class? 
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Shouldn't this be in the recruitment-thread?
Negative. Students dont join AGONY to attend the classes, they stay in their original corps. AGONY is invite-only.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 13:05:43
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
this is my only char, and I'm not agnry , I'm iritated some some1 scam noobs by pretending to teach them PvP, when they have no idea what they are doing them self
If this is your only char then you have not taken the course and therefore could have NO IDEA what happens inside that course. Therefore you are talking out an orafice other than your mouth.
Again, I ask prospective students to browse the enrollment threads and even contact an old student and ask them. Dont take our word for us. We live on our reputation and not one player has ever been dissatisfied.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 26/06/2006 14:17:29
There is a distinct pattern here. Idiot flamers who have never taken the class talking smack and trash and those that have taken the class or are intending to talking like adults.
Originally by: cytomatrix
No wonder why you ships are heavy stabbed. I guess he did a good job teaching you his ship setups.
If you put a stab on a frig you are wasting a low slot.
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
I'v been on your TS when you were out PvPing, and all I can say is LOL!!!!
Fascenating since we use ventrilo. Furthermore, we use secure channels that are password protected when out pvping. So I think you might want to come up with a lie that is at least halfway believable.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xan Riden
Quote:
vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
 WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Happydayz
Originally by: Bentguru
Originally by: Rells
[[list]Course Code: BASIC-0107061800
Required Skills:[list]
Propulsion Jamming 1
Afterburner 1
Racial Frigate 3
Sensor Linking 1
Warp Drive Operation 3
Target Painting 1
Weapon Disruption 1
[*] Electronic Warfare 1
It's this part that makes me laugh. Course Code : BASIC-0107061800??
Is rells doing so much work he has to make up 10 digit randomized numbers now? I mean comeon... thats just funny stuff right there.
Evidently you aren't bright enough to realize that was a date-time-group, not a list of random numbers.
Exactly.
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Xan Riden
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vertrillto /ts I just call it ts, I dont care and I was discuised like one of your corp m8's and had no problem getting there and they was you command your gang is like LOL
WTF does this mean?
It means he lies a lot. What he is talking about is essentially impossible -- every corpmate has a reserved account with a password preventing anyone from logging in as them.
Originally by: Xan Riden
Personally I have never used Rells academy however I am seriously thinking about it. I have heard many people talk about his services and say they are more then worth it.
We will make it well worth your isk as well.
if you say so
Since I rent the vent server from a provider, pay for it with my own money and admin it -- and since I am the only admin of the server, I do say so.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
as I said, I'v been under name of your corp m8 who was offline, and you moved me yourself to your pvp channel, I'v told you in vert chat that I was at wrok, and theirfor couldnt speak, rings a bell?
Nope. As I said before, all AGONY members have reserved passwords and we do pvp operations in secure channels. You are simply lieing your buns off. What you say you did is fundamentally impossible. Troll elsewhere.
I see everyone who has taken the course advocating it and the only people flaming are dweebs like you who lie through their teeth at the drop of a pin and never have taken the course.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Henry Bessemer
Isn't this the guy who wanted game mechanics changed because his 19 man gang couldn't kill a BS?
And the same one who lost 4 Frigates and a Destroyer to a single Nemesis, and came to the forums to brag about it?
Yeah, sounds like the guy I want teaching me to PvP. How do I sign up?
I don't see what's wrong with coming to the forums and being proud of how some newbies just did in PVP, even if they did lose. Some people play EVE for *gasp* FUN!
I think the school's nice, maybe he should get a few helpers, up the class limit and maybe lower the fee though. Him and 2-3 others could teach maybe 50+ people and have even more fun.
In practicality the class limit of 30 people is the max you can feasibly control and hope to go out with without constant interruptions from people needingto AFK and so on. However, its quite a bit of fun.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Bessemer
You shouldn't take my word for it. You'd be stupid if you did. You should take Rells' word for it though.
Rells asking for change to game mechanics because his 19-man gang couldn't kill a BS before it jumped out.
AGONY vs. Nemesis
There you go.
The actuality is that the gate aggro timer is too low and the post wasnt about CURRENT situation, it was about the future with the promised increases in combat time. So few read the thread completely an just take out the flame thrower without thinking.
The fact is that if combat time is trippled, you will get almost no one that can be killed because of the gate aggro timer.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Anyways, I'm off. Best of luck to the OP, and I still pledge help to 2 newbies who want to take this course, mail me if I'm not in game.
You are a gentleman. Thanks for your support. Thoughtful and well reasoned posts restore my faith in the players of this game. Let me know if you get those two people and I will give you both at buddy discount rate. (2.5 mil each).
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Posted - 2006.06.27 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bentguru
Personally, and this is me, I have no problem and in fact morally support stuff like this. The more people pvping in eve the better. I do however think that almost all of Rells' posts have an abnormal amount of e-peen waving in them (like using a super special code instead of saying "The course is on july 1st at 1800 EVE time".)
The code is because there are dozens of transactions hitting the ISK collector and he needs to be able to sort out multiple enrollment threads. The code is a simple date/time composition (using non-usa sequencing). It makes administering enrollments much easier.
Originally by: Bentguru
Though my opinion of him is probably a result of the fights I've had with agony and him in particular, which both resulted in the rather stupid death of his ship.
Agony takes chances. Something that many other corps dont do. How many people have you flown with that do the battleship count -- "They have 6 bs and we have 4, so safespot -- ok now we have 8 and they 6, lets go -- nevermind they safe spotted." Agony pilots have no problem sacrificing if need be and in return we blow up FAR FAR more isk value than we lose. Some 100 to 200 times more.
Case in point, we warped intentionally into a 3FA bubble with 15 tech 1 frigs and killed a tech 2 fitted Harpy and then warped out. 4 ships got destroyed and 1 pod. Who won? You would probably say 3FA but when you count up the isk, we did 50 times more damage to them than they did to us.
Those in the game that qualify a victory by staying alive lead a very booring life of gank or safespot. We take chances and we love it. The last pvp basic class killed an armageddon under the nose of 10 other heavy ships including 3 HACs, 2 BS 2 BC and some frigs and other stuff. The move was very tactical and great. We lost 3 frigates in the engagement.
We take chances, we take risks. Often they work and its awesome rush. Sometimes they dont and we get wiped and try to learn from what went wrong. If you play it safe, if you tell me you havent been podded in months then I have nothing but sympathy for you.
Originally by: Bentguru
I say stupid because well... attacking a dominix in a ferox is just retarded, nevermind the apoc on the other side of the gate, irregardless of wether he could afford the loss or not. And both events where accompanied by lots of whining about "honor" and other linked concepts both on the forums and in local.
Actually the incident you are talkign about is the dominix attacked me and then jumped in a friend to help. I conceeded the point that the friend probably wanted on the killmail but I was annoyed at the time. I didnt smack in local, I merely wondered why he couldnt kill a rox alone with his domi; if that was smack talk then I cant imagine what the FAR more "interesting" things agony hears in local all the time would be qualified as. And even If I did step over the line, no one is perfect. Not even you.
Originally by: Bentguru
But I'm not behind Rells, because I think he's a nub.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am merely me. A person, one that has good and bad day, makes good and bad decisions and simply wants to have fun and see other people have fun. If it is a crime to not be perfect then Im afraid I am guilty as charged. We all have bad days, fits of anger, weak moments and times when we screw up. There are two types of people in the world: those who say they are not perfect, and liars.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Realy Entertaining Learning Lesson Sessions, Surly Under X-man
Yep. He is Bachuss alt or at least has as few working thrusters as Bachuss. Only this guy and Bachuss can say things that so completely make no sense.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:03:00 -
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He is a person with an obsession with me just like you apparently have. I am sorry to tell you this but I'm extremely happily maried and even if I wasnt I like only women. Sorry to let you down but you have to let this obsession go. It will just harm you in the end. You will find someone to love eventually if you just believe in yourself. All this bad temper is just a show that fools no one and I am sorry you are so misearble. The "fatal attraction" act has to end though.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 27/06/2006 17:40:15
Originally by: Bentguru
But again, every time I've fought you you've made very glaring tactical mistakes that result in your death,
Stop bringing up the same battle over and over again as if it happned 50 times. I have looked through killmails and loss mails and as far as I can tell that was our only encounter with you. If you make a decision based on that then I suppose if you got one bad orange you would swear oranges were poisonous? You won a fight. I may have made a mistake. SO BLOODY WHAT???? Get over it and get on with it. I am not so fragile as to shatter like glass at making a mistake.
As to the second incident you refer to in MHC it doesnt ring a bell (ive never seen 3FA flyign with anyone but their own and sometimes goonfleet though I gather relations are strained from conversations with Goonfleet pilots) and the most agony pilots do in local is to _o/. On the other hand I have seen other people say very very nasty things to us and some very very funny things as well. Recently one of the boys from PURE and another from WR3CK were smack talking abotu why we wouldnt warp 25 tech 1 frigs into 5 hacks, 4 battleships, assorted cruisers and frigs. Calling us all sorts of COLORFUL things in local. The fact is that we didnt warp into that fight not because of anything other than it would have been stupid.
As long as we are trading opinions I think you are self righteous, arrogant and so sure of your superiority that I fear for you when someday you make a mistake you cant handle and cant blame on someone else. Then again you will probably pass it off as someone else's fault anyway. You sit up there in your self made throne and judge people as if you have never made a mistake in combat, never made the wrong call, never done anything wrong. RIGHT ... tell another one because no one is buying it.
I am just a person, as failable as the next. I have made mistakes and I will make more. I dont have a problem with it because this is a GAME, a fact that many seem to forget -- you for example.
P.S. You already made a public mistake, not realizing the nature or the reason behind the course code when it was as plain as possible; so plain that SEVERAL people corrected you on it. Should I now troll your threads calling you an idiot and incompetent? I wont because I realize that people make mistakes and you, despite your apparent belief, are not a god.
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat
say what you want but rells' class is a great experience ...except when our blob gets out-blobbed by goonfleet =)
keep it up rells!
ps... mind if i tag along on some classes sometime? could use a little friggy refresher
In all the flames I never saw this post.
You are welcome to tag along. All old students are welcome to come so long as we have space on Vent. Of course vent space is reserved for paid students and AGONY members but after that, anyone who has taken the class is welcome.
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard
Originally by: Xtreem
Edited by: Xtreem on 26/06/2006 15:56:46
i fully agree with this service, due to providing me with excellent fun, and they are always friendly (the regulars)
see u in mhc :D
Great service. Rells is a good teacher, you gotta face his class for the first time and the second time you'll see how fast they adapt .
And yeah.. see ya in MHC
Quite a complement Kyguard. Thanks. We appreicate it. You guys are always fun to fight.
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darineah Charach
Seen a lot of people i respect sing the praises of this course, so i for one would love to sign up...if it wasn't at 4 in the morning. Let me know if there will ever be one run at a time more friendly to Australians.
Cheers
What is the difference between your time and eve time?
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Belladonna Nightshade
To the Poor Aussies, downtime arrives at about 10pm.
Ok then its GMT+10 ? Hmm that would be a bit tough without a class early in the morning in the USA I think. The question is would you get enough people in the class to make it worth it?
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:07:00 -
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That might be an option but who is going to run the class? To rasql and I that would be the WEEEEE hours of the morning. Im not sure who would be willing to teach that one and if there would be any action in the wolfpack part. Perhaps when Im done moving to the usa.
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Posted - 2006.06.30 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tityana
I have some awesome fraps of one of Rells training sessions should anyone care to see it.....
Is this sarcasm or honest? If honest I would like to see them.
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Posted - 2006.07.02 10:17:00 -
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Thanks to all the ex-students for their support and kind words!
Originally by: Mineral Inquisitor
I realize the lesson already occurred, but I have 2 questions: 1. Would you accept a miner like myself? and 2. Will you be doing this again? (If so, when?)
I'd like to try it out. Sounds fun.  (Missed the original deadline to due to skill training conflict.)
We have this class every 1 to 2 weeks.
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Posted - 2006.07.03 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Michayel Lyon
This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes.
The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls.
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 03/07/2006 14:45:26
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
This must be the group we spotted in Ostingele yesterday, during my first attempt as commander of a group bigger than 3 pilots. We followed through Harroule and into MHC, hoping to get a fun fight. I actually remembered to fraps it for once, as well.
Please tell me the point of this video? We should have hung around so you could snipe us at 100km? People have strange ideas sometimes.
The PRIMARY and CARDINAL rule of PvP is to fight with your brain, not yoru balls.
Fighting with balls is more fun. You must agree that looks pretty funny though ...
No. It looks like you are ****ed off because we didnt hang around and let you snipe. It looks like you are doing pointless smacktalk that I hear a million times in the game. It looks like you are being unreasonable, think yourself L33T and cant manage to acknowledge what is considered reasonable thought process. It looks like you are trying to measure your "epeen" on the forum.
Sorry, not inteterested. Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War and one of the basic tennants is that you fight the enemy on your terms and not theirs. That is the path to victory. You came in with far more force than we had and you are trying to act like we turned down a fair fight. Im sure very few people would call several HACs and BS + other stuff vs 28 frigs a fair fight.
So basically you are trying to flame for us acting with intelligence. I wonder if the roles had been reversed would you have sat there taking losses? Would you have attacked and gotten the whole gang wiped out?
One of the most important things you learn in pvp basic is to take on only the fights you have a chance at and decline the others. The day you underestimate my students is the day you will lose a lot of expensive hardware to a lot of cheap hardware.
Why dont you just play the game and stop the smack talk.
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Michayel Lyon
No, we're not ****ed at all. We just had a good laugh at Vent at the sight of seeing 30 cheap t1 frigs belonging to the group of the self-proclaimed PvP professor of the game turn around and run at first sight of trouble,
Again. Should we have sat there and let you snipe? Approached the gate directly and let you blow the whole fleet? Should we have charged screaming into a certain wipeout of the entire fleet? Would that have been the course you'd have taken? If so then you are a lousy commander. In a command situation, you analyze the situation and then evaluate your options and then execute a plan. You dont say "Oh there is a few targets" (while foaming out the mouth) and scream "CHARGE." Anyone who does should not be either teaching pvp or leading a gang.
Any idiot that takes 32 frigs against 10 BS plus support has no business in pvp. If you fly that way all the time, I hope, for the sake of your friends, that this is your last command.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
and wanted to share the experience. But while we are at the subject, let me ask you this: What were you doing sitting just 80 km off the gate?
I dont have info on the time frame. Likely you jumped in on the end of a battle. At any rate even if I knew exactly when that was, I wouldn't tell you what tactics we were using at the time. Figure it out for yourself.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
You are within sniping distance, so you have to run if you are afraid that your enemy will snipe. And you can't warp on the gate in case an easy target shows up, unless you had a cloaked ship sitting at least another 80 km behind the gate.
It has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with analyzing the tactical situation. With 10 BS there its pretty likely they can hit 80km. At any rate we use lots of tactics in gang. You seem to think the end all-be all of pvp is count up more BS then the other guy and press F1 through F8. If that is the limit of your tactics then Id suggest you get otu of syndicate. There are lots of people there like 3FA, Goonfleet, BoB and VI that will educate you at huge expense.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
Also, isn't Electronic Warfare 1 a requirement for your course? Doesn't this imply that your 28 frigs combined has lots of EW fitted?
Take the class and you will learn the tactics. You dont just shove a Multispec on every frig and fly. Its much more complicated than that.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
28 EW frigs against 10 incapacitated battleships and cruisers (sorry, no HACs in our group, you should get better intel) doesn't sound that impossible to me.
28 frigs against 1 BS is a dead BS with no casualties. Against 2, its 2 dead BS with some casualties. Against 10 battleships at close range is a lot of dead frigs. If you dont know why then you have no business leading a gang.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
And you wonder if we would have taken the fight? Well, probably.
Then you are a fool.
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
And we are playing the game, as I'm sure you've noticed after losing several ships to us. The reason we come here and talk smack is because we feel sad for the students that pay 5 million ISK to learn useless tactics from somebody that from what we've seen hasn't shown any knowledge of PvP whatsoever.
You posted this out of altruistic interest in humanity and the newbies of Eve? Pull the other one, it has bells on it. You came here to smack talk and talk yourself up and boost your ego. In the process you have demonstrated that you have absolutely 0 knowledge of gang command and pvp beyond counting BS guns.
As for the fact that you have killed me (the links), so what ? I have died many times and it doesnt bother me. If you have never been podded in pvp then all you have been doing is Gank or Run and that is bloody booring.
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:38:00 -
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Addendum: After further consideration and looking at some of the the killmails from the course (see page 2), you DID come in at the end of a battle. Not all the KMs have been posted though.
I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why the battle was 80km off the gate.
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Anything that may induce players to try PvP even remotely is welcome, if on top some of them learn something then it's great.
Btw, any chance you may tell in advance the intinerary of your next course ? I think I still have a Flycatcher parked somewhere around Stacmon
Im afraid not. Its variable anyway.
Originally by: John Leitch
I have seen the agony fleets sail through syndicate more often, i say keep up the good work teaching those new to pvp, and give us Syndicate residents some more targets! (Goons get boring after a while)
We like the targes as well.
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Posted - 2006.07.10 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Kyguard
I don't see a need to. You've come to Syndicate along with your GA friends in the past and showed us what you can do.
I've seen enough. I'll be in MHC if you ever want to redeem yourself.
You might want to slow down with the ***** pipe there uncle rupert. What are you talking about? GA Friends?
M.
GME gank or flee. Thats about it. Kyguard, Xtreem and several in 3FA have fought evnly matched engagements with us and we win sometimes and they win sometimes. GME fights only if thea have 50 to 1 odds and then if you decline to engage one of their Domis with 10 frigs they smack talk like no tomorrow (nevermind that engaging a domi with 10 frigs is suicide).
The first experience I ever had with GME is that they set up a truce with standings for fighting some people in Syndicate and then promptly broke the truce and fired on agony pilots, without warning, including myself while under a flag of truce. That is what I call dishonorable.
Now please get out of this thread and stop trolling it. AU PvP University has had over 400 students and every single one of them has been satisfied, several to the extent of taking the second course. I advise prospective students to contact former students and ask them about their experiences and ignore all the trolls and flamers in this forum. Ask our customers.
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Posted - 2006.07.10 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Druid R
whats your loss rate on these ops. must admit we do enjoy seeing agony roll into mhc, my sniper does often need using :)
is amusing to see and the players in agony's gang do seem to have a lot of fun, remember if u engage them to kill the ppl in agony first, then the rest all get scared and dont know what to do :)
keep at it rells i need more kill points on my board :)
We kill about 60 times the isk we loose on average.
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
With the current love in this thread, soon or later a smartass will send an alt "to take a course" just to have enough intel to set a camp on the first 0.0 jump with his merry mates and pop the poor sods before they even start their class...
Been tried. Resulted in a 5 mil isk gain for us and nothing much more. There are lots of entrances to syndicate and AGONY intel is top notch. If you feel like wasting your time, give it a try.
Originally by: Semkhet
Teaching PvP's basics to noobs while hardly making a living is a commendable mission. Sincerely, how many among us would be patient enough ? Furthermore, critizicing something who brings potential targets to the game is certainly not coherent when done by supposed PvP'ers.
If you see them as potential targets only then it will be you that is the target. Never underestimate your opponent. PvP Basic has killed thousands of times the ISK it has lost and many HACs, BSes and so on. Six pilots have had the idea of showing up in smart bombing BS and five of them have died without us taking more than 2 or 3 casualties. We train people to do more than do F1 through F8. Far more. The day you see a PvP basic class in your area and laugh at their noobishness is likely the day you will lose you HAC, BS or other ship.
Originally by: Semkhet
Unless I'am mistaken, Rells never pretended to be on the level of ...
Rells is just Rells. He doesnt need to compare himself to anyone else. He just is who he is and tries to have fun adn get better all the time. Those that think they know it all are mistaken. Furthermore, at any single moment your 30 mil SP char might become a victim to players much younger. This is not the average MMOG where three years in equals invulnerability.
Originally by: Semkhet
Instead he humbly attempts to instill some fundamental concepts.
Hmm ... well I dont know how humbly. . As I said im just me. As for what we teach, we specialize in frigate warfare and its not just tackling or blobbing. There is a lot more to it. We have an encylcopedia of small ship tactics and skills and only part of it is able to be taught in the time of our courses. We also dotn teach all our tricks. However, if you think frigs are just tacklers you are mistaken.
Originally by: Semkhet
Blobs are as exciting as watching drying paint, that's why I seldom join them, and even if I do, it's in ships like ceptors, dictors or recons which render that boring exercise somewhat more tactical.
A fleet is not a blob. There is a significant difference.
Originally by: Semkhet
Instead of simply laughing at noobs (which we all were), why not adapting ? Those who find themselves so good could use ships equivalent to the ones these noobs fly and meet them on a less unbalanced ground.
Oh but blowing up the BSes, HACs and tech 2 ships is so much fun.
Originally by: Semkhet
From a PvP perspective, few things give so much fun like a melee of 30 frigs buzzing around. But I can understand that some peeps aren't interested in that. Specially those who are better at winning on the forums than ingame
Well the average PvP basic is over 40 ships actually.
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 17/07/2006 15:20:15
Originally by: Xtreem
oh and can i come as an advisor :P
1) That might be uncomfortable when we open up on 3FA pilots.
2) If you warned them that wouldnt be cool.
3) You do a completely different kind of warfare than we do.
It would be like a bear advising a wolverine on how to fight. No use in that at all. PVP is not all equal, frigate warfare is quite different than BS warfare.
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