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LaVista
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:39:00 -
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So, basicly i just did, once again, a big mistake.
I bought a retriever for my alt. I set it up on escrow(And yes, i admit it, for 0 isk, and no explicit name, which is VERY stupid by me). Not a SINGLE second after that, it was gone, poof, gone forever.
I have seen a few topics on this. But i do not remember, what CCP is saying about this.
Will CCP reimburst people, if they got pwned by this stupid bots?
I know im gonna get flamed now.. But i really just wanted to now. Not that 12mill is alot, but it makes me 12mill even far away from a tempest 
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:45:00 -
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They certainly are annoying, everytime I want to claim those 0.0 isk escrows the bot was faster n me 
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Domain Diva
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:49:00 -
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Even if they could detect who's using them, its highly doubtful they'll do anything about escrow bots considering they do sod all about people using mining bots these days 
Bots for all, or enforce your eula ccp
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:51:00 -
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1) Silly you
2) Don't do it again
3) You won't get a reimbursment for an act of extreme sillyness
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Valator Uel
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:56:00 -
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Brutor the point is not him doing something silly but rather CCP seemingly doing nothing about Bots and cheaters...
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LaVista
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Posted - 2006.06.26 18:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Brutor Shaun
1) Silly you
2) Don't do it again
3) You won't get a reimbursment for an act of extreme sillyness
You are complete off topic. Go away.
I were asking for CCP's opinion, not YOUR!!
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Vatheric Selenium
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:01:00 -
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if there are actually bots it should be pretty easy for CCP to detect them. They just have to put a few 0 isk items on escrow. If the bots are really smart, they'll need to put something on escrow that actually appears valuable but isn't. If the bots are dumb they can use trash.
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:02:00 -
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It's not allowed, but you won't be reimbursed.
Degeneres animos timor arguit
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:03:00 -
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I agree. If there were no-one else on escrow, I could have claimed your 0 ISK escrows.
I demand re-imbursement for the missed opportunity 
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:22:00 -
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make a few thousand bm copies, select them all and escrow for 0 isk, rinse and repeat at several stations, give the escrow bots a lot to feed on, and when the owner wants to see what they got with their ILLEGAL (ccp law) tool, they will be lagged to death.
let them petition and the GMs will see just how many of the 0 isk escrows they claimed within moments of being placed, and have to explain themselves (or get permabanned).
If escrow was altered to force manual acceptance (graphical letters used that must be typed in to accept the transaction, same as many forums do now)this wouldn't be an issue any longer.
Three alpha numeric symbols would deter the escrow-bots.
FRODO HAS FAILED;
BUSH HAS THE RING!!!
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Ilmonstre
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:53:00 -
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then its a good thing the escrow system is gonna be replaced within a few months
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:55:00 -
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Wire all your Isk into the corp wallet or to an alt.
Filter escrow by affordable offers.
Don't hesitate grabbing any offer.
Lame but it works even without a bot.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:58:00 -
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Do these bots actually exist? I've never heard about it apart from alts on the forum or someone trying to prove it... Poorly.
However I do know many people who escrow snipe..
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:21:00 -
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CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:23:00 -
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theres a video about it on :: a place that i am not going to mention cos im not an evil person ::
i hope the users of the bot get shot in the head multiple times  cheating is bad mmm'kay
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LaVista
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
I thank alot for the answer.
Im gonna wait and see whatever a nice GM wanna give me my retriever back 
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Chaddy
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista
Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
I thank alot for the answer.
Im gonna wait and see whatever a nice GM wanna give me my retriever back
Oh god, i hate those alts. I didn't realise before now that i had been posting on my alt. LMAO!!
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Do these bots actually exist?
Yes, they do. But I'll have to leave that as an unverifiable assertion, because I don't want to break any forum rules.
Myself, I don't see the point. I play EvE to have fun, not cheat my way to more ISK. I get enough of the rat-race at work.
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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
The best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
I'm really glad now that I dont use instas, otherwise I would have been banned right?
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Glassback
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:50:00 -
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I didnt even know they existed.
G.
I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about
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Jojin
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:55:00 -
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They exist. After reading this I decided to test it out. I kept putting up 1 unit of ammo and 1/2 the time before I could switch over to see all affordable (only left 1 isk on alt), the item was gone.
I would assume it would not take long to track it, but then again manpower is still manpower.
If you wanted to help the cause just throw up some useless crap all over the galaxy. Eventually it will either tick the botter off or make it plain from the escrow logs just who is doing it.
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Malkavian Spirit
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Posted - 2006.06.26 20:58:00 -
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just add 2000 bms escrow for 0 isk to teach them a lesson
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Malkavian Spirit
just add 2000 bms escrow for 0 isk to teach them a lesson
CCP do this and warn everyone that claims in less then a second. Nothing like an offical GM warning to bring on the cold sweats
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia
theres a video about it on :: a place that i am not going to mention cos im not an evil person ::
i hope the users of the bot get shot in the head multiple times cheating is bad mmm'kay
If it's the video I saw, it's definately not definitive proof (the guy who kept putting ammo on escrow?), but kieron's answer is of course official 
Tho people I know still manage to snipe escrow despite these bots existing.. which is surprising 
[Art of War][- V -] |
Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2006.06.26 21:34:00 -
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What makes you think this case was a bot, though?
I'm in a channel in-game, where every person in the channel checks escrow every 30 seconds for escrow mistakes.
Just because it went away in seconds doesn't mean it was a bot.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2006.06.26 23:28:00 -
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Ok How about an experiment. Everybody at 10pm tonight, create nothing but 0 escrows (thousands) (fill em with bookmarks or 1 piece of ammo or something). Assuming that its people who are picking them up, after the first 3 or 4 they'd stop cause of escrow flood.
The bot will probably take them all. So have everybody create a massive amount of escrows, and see how fast they fly.
If its people, they won't be taken.. If they aren't people, expect them to go bye bye.
Eitherway, all ya need to do is fill up their hangar with 1000+ items.
But smart bots will probably delete bookmarks (but hey, least CCP will have ALOT of good info on who the bots are).
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2006.06.26 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Jones
Ok How about an experiment. Everybody at 10pm tonight, create nothing but 0 escrows (thousands) (fill em with bookmarks or 1 piece of ammo or something). Assuming that its people who are picking them up, after the first 3 or 4 they'd stop cause of escrow flood.
The bot will probably take them all. So have everybody create a massive amount of escrows, and see how fast they fly.
If its people, they won't be taken.. If they aren't people, expect them to go bye bye.
Eitherway, all ya need to do is fill up their hangar with 1000+ items.
But smart bots will probably delete bookmarks (but hey, least CCP will have ALOT of good info on who the bots are).
How about this is a bad idea?
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Defenzer
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Posted - 2006.06.27 01:59:00 -
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I can see how people would be annoyed at themselves (to put it mildly) if they put a valuable item on escrow for 0.00 ISK and found out after it was too late that they made a horrible mistake.
But let's be honest... how big of a problem are macroers or scripters who take advantage of this? Even if they did not exist, there are plenty of players who farm the escrow system so the escrow's creator would likely never get their items back anyway. Exactly what problem would you fix if all of the escrow macroers were removed? People who placed 0.00 ISK escrows would still never see their items again.
To have CCP focus on this problem when there are so many other problems is a poor use of resources. If you must focus on macro users, focus on miners. They are the ones who potentially skew the economy. Escrow macros do nothing but accelerate the transfer of goods from one player (who made a mistake) to another. This isn't creating wealth, it is just transferring it at high speed.
Like I said... People who place 0.00 ISK escrows would likely never see their items again whether or not there were escrow macros.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.06.27 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
nice, did the guy who i sent that petition about my lost stuff was a bot aswell?
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:09:00 -
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Special Thanks goes out the the escrow bot who claimed my rapier for 0.0 isk no no thank you .
Silly me put the name in the description feild :(
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:16:00 -
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Bot or no bot, all 0.00 escrows will get sniped by regualar players unless you are *very very* lucky, stop being so hard done by and blaming bots, peoples own stupidity is the reason for losing their 0.00 escrows.
[Art of War][- V -] |
TheAwakening
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:30:00 -
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i'll wet myself laughing if it comes out that it's a ccp bot that claims 0.0isk escrows as an ISK Sink
not that it'd happen 
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Shinca
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
Special Thanks goes out the the escrow bot who claimed my rapier for 0.0 isk no no thank you .
Silly me put the name in the description feild :(
always click search, even if you put in the correct name, unless you are deliberately setting escrow for everyone
clones are people two
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Freya Runestone
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Posted - 2006.06.27 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista
So, basicly i just did, once again, a big mistake.
I bought a retriever for my alt. I set it up on escrow(And yes, i admit it, for 0 isk, and no explicit name, which is VERY stupid by me). Not a SINGLE second after that, it was gone, poof, gone forever.
I have seen a few topics on this. But i do not remember, what CCP is saying about this.
Will CCP reimburst people, if they got pwned by this stupid bots?
I know im gonna get flamed now.. But i really just wanted to now. Not that 12mill is alot, but it makes me 12mill even far away from a tempest
CCP will not reimburse you for it, not unless you couldn't enter the username of the alt, and that you can somehow prove it was a bug.
and even without bots it would be lost, a bot might be able to do it very fast, but you have no chance of claiming this even against real players.
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bubba6666
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Posted - 2006.07.04 23:16:00 -
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I lost about 400 mil by forgetting to put a name; I was stupid I'll get over it. But I did an experiment and created several BM's and put them all on the market at 0.00 isk, not at the same time, I even labelled some of them "worthless BM don't take". All of them were taken in less than 10 seconds of being posted.
Does this mean it's a bot, who knows. It is possible that at any given time someone is scouring escrows and can grab all the 0 isk ones. If it is a bot, that is just lame.
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Kenti Silvistrini
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Posted - 2006.07.05 00:27:00 -
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OK, maybe I'm not getting something here, but why would anyone escrow an item of any worth without using the specified name feature? Or is there a flaw in that system?
Ive used the specified name escrow many times without a hitch, so IMO anyone not using it deserves to lose out, again unless it's bugged.
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bubba6666
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:18:00 -
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In my case it was just a brain fart. I use escrow alot to transfer items back and fourth and with anything you do all the time, the more you use it, the higher your chance of making a mistake.
I lost 400 mil or so, not something I am very proud or happy about. I understand that escrow is an unforgiving tool and things happen. So if some opportunist who scours escrow looking for stuff like managed to grab my items in the >20 seconds it took me to load escrow and try to retrieve them, I can't pout or compain about that. However if someone is using a 3rd party tool to get an unfair advantage, that is just lame and takes away from game play.
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 05/07/2006 15:44:10
I don't mind losing something to stupidity, as long it's to another player spending the time and effort to pwn me.
But I did several tests with 1 trit at 0 ISK, and they were all gone between the time I submitted, and went into the "Show Escrows Issued by me" screen.
Bots annoy me so much I requested that a warning be shown with the new contracts system. 
EDIT: I also did tests up to 100 ISK, and they get snapped up inhumanely quickly as well... 
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Lyra VX
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught.
Sorry - generally? Isn't this sort of thing worth a blanket policy - you get caught, you're banned?
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.
How do you prove these? The speed of reaction? or can you see if they are using a 3rd party progam?
I've claimed lots of 0isk escrows- and would hate to be banned just because of how fast I got them.
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Mrs Miyagi
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:09:00 -
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Theres a way to get the player id of the person who claimed your escrow, using the log server.
Its very fiddly to explain and understand, but you are basically looking for item ownership changes and lots of numbers when you open your wallet journal after an escrow is claimed.
The player id of the character can be turned into a name by doing a 'read last posts of this character' on the forum, and changing the number. If they haven't posted there is supposedly a way to get the name too, but for the purposes of a petition I would imagine character ID number is sufficient evidence for CCP.
Once you have a suspected escrow bot, place several 0.0 isk escrows up and watch them get claimed in nanoseconds. Then report the player ID. I hate these idiots and want them all removed, since it harms legitimate non-bot escrow campers' income streams.
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solidshot
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista
Im gonna wait and see whatever a nice GM wanna give me my retriever back
why should they? bots may exist but without your stupidity they would be useless and have nothing to claim
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Erfnam
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:22:00 -
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I've had escrow oops on me before, where it ignored all of the input fields. That is irritating.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra VX
Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught.
Sorry - generally? Isn't this sort of thing worth a blanket policy - you get caught, you're banned?
Bans are levied on those that are caught, but not all of those bans will be permanent. Duration of the ban is dependent upon the severity of the infraction, past conduct and other factors.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Tobias Sjodin
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Pepperami
Do these bots actually exist?
Yes, they do. But I'll have to leave that as an unverifiable assertion, because I don't want to break any forum rules.
Myself, I don't see the point. I play EvE to have fun, not cheat my way to more ISK. I get enough of the rat-race at work.
Who are you trying protect here?
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:06:00 -
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you can have some fun with the 0-isk escrow bot users;
Make a few (100)thousand bms (all useless, such as bms to a station in Jita).
escrow them at 0 isk in batches of 1000 each, and repeat.
I did this and between the time of clicking the submit and then refresh the screen to see the "new" escrow, it was gone, each time.
If this causes lag on the servers, DO NOT DO IT. I did it as a test. IF the servers would not suffer, I say spam them 0-isk escrow bots with crap, lots and lots of crap.
FRODO HAS FAILED;
BUSH HAS THE RING!!!
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Poison Dwarf
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Posted - 2006.07.05 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Miyagi
The player id of the character can be turned into a name by doing a 'read last posts of this character' on the forum, and changing the number. If they haven't posted there is supposedly a way to get the name too, but for the purposes of a petition I would imagine character ID number is sufficient evidence for CCP.
Once you have a player id, you can do a showinfo ingame by putting the following text in a webpage, then opening the page using the ingame browser:
<A HREF="showinfo:1378//xxxxxxxx">mystery person</A>
Replace xxxxxxxx with the player id. Click on the link that is produced, and there you go... |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.07.05 20:30:00 -
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There was a video a while back of some guy advertising a mining bot too... so it can be done (worringly easily too!).
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.07.05 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Andargor theWise
also did tests up to 100 ISK, and they get snapped up inhumanely quickly as well...
Well now. Maybe someone should see how high the bot trollers auto-pick limit goes up to?
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.07.06 10:54:00 -
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lemmie see, I could put all my trash on escrow, and someone will _pay_ me for it?
I'm there.
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:07:00 -
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Why doesn't EVE give a confirmation dialog when a 0.0 escrow is set with no reciever? It should and it's so easy to make life better for people that make this mistake.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:36:00 -
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Like the idea on the bookmark thing.
100,000 bookmarks will ruin someones day.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
Why doesn't EVE give a confirmation dialog when a 0.0 escrow is set with no reciever? It should and it's so easy to make life better for people that make this mistake.
It does tell you.. You want a second dialog?
[Art of War][- V -] |
Gunship
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:19:00 -
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One of my corp mate had it happen to him (Lost 100mill at least).
It's an exploit imho, the simple fix is to not allow you to escrow to all for 0 isk. A little pop up windows saying:
Quote:
You can't create an escrow for anyone at 0 isk value, please amend
Would do the trick.
And while we are at it, could we please identify BPO from BPC with either a different back ground color or "BPO" tag in the buttom left corner (a bit like how T2 are identified).
This game is a grifers paradise and there are easy ways of dealing with it, it's just that CCP don't find it important for some strange reason. Surely the cure's above are better than the overhead of petitions and the customers frustration of unintented game mecanics
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gunship
One of my corp mate had it happen to him (Lost 100mill at least).
It's an exploit imho, the simple fix is to not allow you to escrow to all for 0 isk. A little pop up windows saying:
The only thing getting exploited is your corpmate's stupidity.
Sorry to be blunt, but that is the plain truth of it.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Rovol
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Posted - 2006.07.06 14:14:00 -
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tbh I don't see the problem here apart from the fact that some people are using bots to beat players to the 0 isk escrows.
If a player puts an escrow up with something valuable in it without a cost or restricting to a player - and presses the confirm dialog without checking it then there is no way CCP should be replacing these 'lost' items.
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