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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:30:00 -
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Just received this mission for the first time in months!
So is this doable solo in a Raven?
I have heard mixed reports that the spawns aggro you immediately. If so at what distance are they in relation to your vessel?
Thanks.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:37:00 -
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One spawn aggro's you as you come in. If you can handle that spawn *without* a buddy or drones, you have a chance. Anybody else warps in, or any drone launches, will attract the aggro of everybody else.
It's doable, but it's not easy. ________________________________________________
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Caerleus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:38:00 -
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It differs depnding on which version you get.
I was unlucky enough to get my first Wolrds Collide as a BLood/Gisti mix.. Because I couldnt find it on the various mission sites I opted to go and scout in in a shuttle ..Big Mistake.. Both groups agro'd and headed towards the gate.. Now..when I jumped in with my domi with smarties ready to kill all the frigs..everything was pretty much on the warp in point. I cleared the frigs and warped out ready to get the damage dealer. Unfortunately...everything was now on top of the gate when I warped back in..:( got out alive and called some friends.
In the end, 3 of us tried to complete the first level but couldnt.. We were running a Domi with 26k of armor, a second domi fitted with 6 medium remote armor reps and a damage raven.
We lost the Tanakadomi and raven to respawns of warp jamming frigs.
The spawns were attacking everyone, switching targets at will, even when noone was using drones and the support domi was purely assisting the TAnk.
Its a nasty mission..But I played it wrong and so we paid the price.
Ive read on other forums here that some of the spawns dont agro you together, and some only use 3 damage types, which helps. Anyways..best of luck.
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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2006.06.27 11:44:00 -
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Joy!
OK thanks chaps for the intel. I may just cancel this one for now as really do not have 6 fecking hours to mooch about.
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D2O LightWater
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:05:00 -
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I did this mission just after the new patch. I was using 1 caldari navy raven & 1 standard raven, both ravens fitted with t2 launchers, t2 shield hardners, t2 large shield boosters, named boost amp & t2 ballistic mods. Oh and 2 x named heavy nos. Drone bays I had t2 med hammerheads. I did lvl 1 with no probs warped in both groups aggroed me but i tanked em and popped em as i always do. However 2nd stage I warped in, got aggroed by every ship on my cnr webbed, warp scamed. With both my nos going all hardners on and shield boosting I lasted around a minute before I popped. I think I managed to take out 3 of the frigs that had me scammed. Petitioned it but very much doubt Ill get my cnr back. It may just be bad luck but the mission I had was pretty much impossible to do with my 2 ravens. Too much aggro at once, I think I had something like 30+ ships all firing on me all orbiting within 20k. TBH its put me off doing missions again im thinking about going pvp instead.
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Shonsu
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:07:00 -
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it's possible to do it in raven solo, certainly from u skills. i have do both version: guristas/serpentis & gisti/imperial without big problem. only on serpentis way, second stage make one rewarp all times.
for serpentis/guristas mission use serpentis way, for gisti/imperial use gisti way. importan on sin in all cases on second stage get maximum distans to npc. on gisti mission, npc do not atackt after war in second stage, u have time to get distance. on serpentis u must be have gut tank, becose u get agro. but dont user smartbomb on second stage in near from battlestation!!
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Fliewatuet
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus It differs depnding on which version you get.
Both groups agro'd and headed towards the gate.. Now..when I jumped in with my domi with smarties ready to kill all the frigs..everything was pretty much on the warp in point.
Sounds like you played sitting duck for some minutes since it takes a while until everything moved from the 100km distance to the warpin point...
Quote: In the end, 3 of us tried to complete the first level but couldnt..We were running a Domi with 26k of armor, a second domi fitted with 6 medium remote armor reps and a damage raven.
You went in with three bs - into the very first stage - and you still had problems with it? Your fittings must have been great and thats not said only by reading about a 26k armor dominix. oO
Quote: Its a nasty mission..But I played it wrong and so we paid the price.
Thats right, i think you did some major mistakes in fitting and tactics here. Ok, i give you that its a bit difficult to harden against those different damage types. But why didn't you just split the aggro in the first stage? One takes the first spawn, the next bs hardens and takes the second spawn.
Regards, Fliewatuet -- If i win your auction, please be so kind and send me an evemail to remind me :-) |
Zafon
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:53:00 -
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I solo both sides of the Serp Gurista WC without any problems. Only bit that is remotely challenging is the Gurista base. The fact that I can't bring my hauler alt along with me to pick up all the loot is a shame - I know somebody who fits a cargo expander to their Raven because of this!
Flying a CNR with T2 hardeners and cruise missiles.
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus
In the end, 3 of us tried to complete the first level but couldnt.. We were running a Domi with 26k of armor, a second domi fitted with 6 medium remote armor reps and a damage raven.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'll assume you filled your low slots with 1600mm plate to get 26k armor?
Classic mistake. Resistances > Plate. Assuming 35% resistance to a particular damage type, 26k armor (net) is equivalent to 40k armor against that damage type (gross).
Using double hardeners for that damage type, you can easily attain 82.5% resistance, which gives standard ~7k armor (net) an equivalent 40k armor (gross) against that type. For far less slots.
Something to consider before wasting slots.
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Father Weebles
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:21:00 -
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My old corpmate could solo WC, infact thats the only mission he'd do with some exceptions. He flew an Ishtar though, which has insanse Kin/Therm resists. He'd just go in the first room and get aggro from both sides and tank it all. Although he was using a Centum X-Type Medium Armor Rep(about 420mil on escrow)
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:23:00 -
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Did yesterday in a Cerb. No issues whatsoever that I could detect.
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Will Farva
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:50:00 -
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Heard all sorts of things about this mission, but never tried it until yesterday. Me in a Raven and two mates (just be on the safe side), one in a tank Mega with rails and the other in a Domi with armor repper drones and blasters. The Mega was never below 80% armor. On the last stage I drew aggro from 50% of the rats, no problem to tank in my Raven, granted the rats died quick with 3 BS in there I believe its a challenging mission, but absolutely doable - even solo.
We had the Gurista/Serpentis one and respawn was never a problem. We did the Serpentis route and went back to first stage and did Gurista right after. Then we went to station to drop loot and get more ammo to harvest the mission a bit, but only 2 BS and 1 cruiser had respawned in the first room..
Verdict: Bring a buddy or two and you'll be fine ___________________________________________ The truth is in the eye of the be(er)holder |
SK Impolite
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:06:00 -
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Did this last night with a friend of mine. The first time we went in, he was running a raven tanked with gist b-type xl booster, boost amp, and dread guristas hardeners. The damage was coming in faster than his booster at first, which surprised us, but after we dropped a couple ships he was doing ok. He had to jump out when his cap ran low, and I made the mistake of hanging around to try to finish of one alst cruiser. I was in a raven with a dread guristas large booster, boost amp, but only 2 hardeners and no stabilizers. As soon as the ships aggroed me I was scrambled solidly until they popped me. I went back in in another raven and we finished fairly easily.
Bottom line - tough mission, especially if you shield tank, but doable. Bring stabilizers. Probably soloable, but it would take a couple rewarps for a shield tank.
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2006.06.27 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: Stradivarious on 27/06/2006 18:17:47 Ok, this is probably my favorite mission and I'd like to dispell a couple things I see incorrect in the thread so far...
1st lvl, you do NOT need to kill everything, one side agros, the other does not unless you approach it's gate. To top it off, the gates aren't tied to the npcs... Can warp at anytime... Dropping drones does not trigger the other party to agro, I use a carrier and swap from fighters to heavies for frigates, so, yes I am sure... the closer party agros no matter what. Additional warp ins also have nothing to do with the 2nd party agroing.. just stay away from their gate and they will leave you alone... trouble is that 2nd party is usually the easier path Once the 2nd party is agroed, their lock is very erratic, they will mwd back to their spawn point and then lock the closest target, this is probably where that rumor was coming from.
2nd lvl, each gate in the first lvl leads to a separate 2nd lvl, 1 is easier then the other, the hard one has around 20 BSes in the 0.0 lvl 4 version... Trick: The groups come alone if you don't drag them past each other. 6 Machariels with 1400s hurt btw.... No immediate agro on the hard path, don't remember on the easier, I don't go that way often...
3rd lvl, well the version I get is pretty weak, couple 300k BSes, kill the building and you're done, before the patch you would 50% of the time get the completed update just for killing that building, haven't tried this after the patch.
I've done this mission 4 or 5 times in the past 3 days and have one active at home while I'm stuck at work... So I'd say I'm decently experienced in it, also did it a lot prior to the patch... used to be both better and worse before with fast respawns.... more cash, but they could respawn at the worst times :p
I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool.
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Caerleus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:05:00 -
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well..as i said, this was the first time i had run it so took the shuttle in first..this moved the ships close to the gate. Then..I tried to do a 'lets kill all the frigs using smartbombs' trick ive used in Enemies Abound before. What I didnt count on was the fact that the ships didnt reset position after i'd blown the frigs up..that kind of screwed thigs up.
The domi was basically a kind of experiment. it had 5 x 1600mm plates plus 2 x explosive t2 hardeners..The other domi was being my armor repper. What we didnt count on were the jamming frigs respawning, and the NPC's changing their targets when other people came in.. That knd of laid the grave stone.
We knew we had done it wrong, but having said that, it was also one of the funiest, most exciting times we have had doing a lvl4..
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comrade captain
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Posted - 2006.06.28 00:31:00 -
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ive just walked this mission easily in a quite average raven, 2x heat tech2 hards 2x kinetic t2 hards, 1 shield boost amp 1 gist b type xl (ker ching 400 mill ouch but its the only way to get by easily) 2 pdu 2s and 2 tech 2 bcus, 1 wcs as it was my 1st attempt and didnt want to risk death, xt -9000 cruisex 6( cheap but decent named) with wrath (kinetic cruise)
took ages to do but i was never in any trouble, just aggro 1 group at a time and drones seemed fine for the frigs. The silly thing is i have a fully gist x type fitted caldari navy raven with 2x dread guristas ballistic controls in my hangar, i darent use it so i tried normal raven, if id brought the cnr it would have taken far less time and been a walk in the park.
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Caerleus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 01:01:00 -
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There does seem to be very different behaviour patterns for each 'pair' of NPC's.
As I said..in my Blood / Gisti, both groups agro'd immediately. I was in a shuttle, so there was no chance of fire or drones causing the second group to lock..they just did. Also, non of the ships, from either race reset their position.
Guess I'll be dumping the Blood/Gisti one next time and waiting for the easier variants.
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Magnus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2006.06.28 12:41:00 -
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World Collide is one of my favourite missions. I warp in with my shield tanked domi with 6*425 rails, drop my 50km warden sentry drones and just kill the rats as they approach (the rats die really fast this way).
Then I use scanner to check if one of the pocket has a commander spawn, else I just pick one of the pockets, clears it and continues to the last pocket to get the crew.
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Capt Fox
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Posted - 2006.06.28 23:44:00 -
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Yes this is very dooable - And fairly simple if you ask me.
1) Warp into the first area, head towards the serpentis base gate. Whilst on your way there, attack the frigates that try to webify you. Nosferatu everything else within range and dont try and kill anything else.
2) Once your at the gate to the serpentis base, jump on through
3) When you arrive, one group will aggro you. Immediately head towards the next jump gate. NOS the close orbiting battleships and take out the frigates first. Warp through the second gate
4) When you arrive at the last stage, NOS the two battleships of the spawn that aggro you and kill them. Once you have killed that inital aggro (NOT the other two groups) you can pick up the people from the heron and warp out.
I've done this mission in 28 minutes before, It takes me just over 2 hours if I want to farm and kill everything.
DONT USE DRONES AT ALL - They will aggro
Setup =====
6 x Arby Cruise Launchers 2 x Heavy Diminishing NOS 4 x Specific Hardners 1 x XL Booster (Gist type) 1 x Shield boost amp 2 x Ballistic Control Unit II 3 x Power diagnostic system II
Hope this helps
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.29 07:24:00 -
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I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
I use a Raven with 6 Arb Siege, 2 T2 small blasters for frigs. 1 T2 XL SBooster, 2 x T2 Thermal, 2 times T2 Ballistic, 1 Amp. 4 T2 PDU and 1 BCU. 15 hornets for frigs.
Dont use drones until you kill the serps. Dont use a wingman. Can use drones in both of the 2nd stages but you must watch your drones at all times because they occasionally change targets and fly off to kill non-aggroed ships.
You must also be aware that if certain repops spawn while you are there they will automatically aggro you where before they didnt aggro till you shot them. This may have the effect of aggroing the whole place but usually that happens if I have accidentally left drones laying around.
NOTE: I make no apologies for farming this mission, its one of the very few ways that soloers like myself are able to kill battleships and overseers without having to join an alliance or play target for one. Stop the nonsensical NBSI and I'll consider NPC'ing there instead.
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2006.06.29 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
How the heck do you get 1 bil from this mission? What sort of loot drops in there? |
Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sabahl
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
How the heck do you get 1 bil from this mission? What sort of loot drops in there?
Apperantly, she doesnt or is just making baseless claims (like the ones she made about doing infiltrated outposts in her caracal *ahem* with full loots in under 30 minutes) in her futile attempts to get missions nerfed further. Have fun picking up loots in a Raven with no tractor beams nor afterburner and apperantly the few overseers I encountered now orbits at 40km and drops no can.
-Sar
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sabahl
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
How the heck do you get 1 bil from this mission? What sort of loot drops in there?
Loot wasnt that good considering how many npcs I killed but the best was a Dread Guristas Amp which I sold for 100 million, got some Dread Guristas Hardners as well, also got 6 prototype rails, lots of Compressed Rails and Scouts, Arbie Seige and Cruise but the bounties were the nice things, each level gives about 10 million in bounties and there are 3 levels to farm so 30 million per round and they respawn quite quickly so by the time you finish they're just about to repop.
The highest NPCS were 5.8 million bounties, lowest about 100k but most were in 1 million range.
So I just spent a few hours each night killing them repeatedly like chaining npcs in 0.0.
Infinity Ziona
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Sabahl
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
How the heck do you get 1 bil from this mission? What sort of loot drops in there?
Apperantly, she doesnt or is just making baseless claims (like the ones she made about doing infiltrated outposts in her caracal *ahem* with full loots in under 30 minutes) in her futile attempts to get missions nerfed further. Have fun picking up loots in a Raven with no tractor beams nor afterburner and apperantly the few overseers I encountered now orbits at 40km and drops no can.
-Sar
Heh I can still do IO in a caracal. Want me to fraps it for you? 100 million isk bet?
Loots in a Raven was easy for me. Once the spawns were wiped out I would change my loadout to:
4 Seige, 2 Cruise, 1 small blaster T2, 1 tractor beam. 1 XL T2 Booster, 1 T2 Heat, 1 T2 Ballistic, 1 T2 Shield Therm passive, I cargo scanner. I Quad Lif AB. 5 PDU 2
With only single repops it was very easy to loot, read the forums, kill the NPCS that respawned.
Also the Overseers I discovered work like this:
They can pop at any time, sometimes they pop 5 times in 2 hours. Sometimes they pop only 1 time in 24. Sometimes they are Dread or Shadow but low bounty and dont drop any decent faction loot but other times they are not dread and shadow and drop nothing. But occasionally they will be 4.8 or 5.8 million bountied Dread or Shadow and will drop nice named items.
I killed about 30 Overseers all up and only got 3 faction drops. But decent bounties and fun.
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Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The highest NPCS were 5.8 million bounties, lowest about 100k but most were in 1 million range.
uhhh, have you even done this mission post patch? if so, what is the name of the 5.8 million isk bounty npc and which version of worlds collide did you get?? |
Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
They can pop at any time, sometimes they pop 5 times in 2 hours. Sometimes they pop only 1 time in 24. Sometimes they are Dread or Shadow but low bounty and dont drop any decent faction loot but other times they are not dread and shadow and drop nothing. But occasionally they will be 4.8 or 5.8 million bountied Dread or Shadow and will drop nice named items.
I killed about 30 Overseers all up and only got 3 faction drops. But decent bounties and fun.
uhh, you got faction drops post patch ?? or you talking about the good old days ?? |
Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Sabahl
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I have just finished farming the serps / guristas one. Made 1 billion + quite a few good modules playing 6 hours a night since I got the mission.
How the heck do you get 1 bil from this mission? What sort of loot drops in there?
Apperantly, she doesnt or is just making baseless claims (like the ones she made about doing infiltrated outposts in her caracal *ahem* with full loots in under 30 minutes) in her futile attempts to get missions nerfed further. Have fun picking up loots in a Raven with no tractor beams nor afterburner and apperantly the few overseers I encountered now orbits at 40km and drops no can.
-Sar
Heh I can still do IO in a caracal. Want me to fraps it for you? 100 million isk bet?
With full loots in a caracal in under 30 minutes? I dont think so. Sorry I dont gamble, but youre welcomed to make a video out of it to show that you have any credibilty whatsoever.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
The highest NPCS were 5.8 million bounties, lowest about 100k but most were in 1 million range.
uhhh, have you even done this mission post patch? if so, what is the name of the 5.8 million isk bounty npc and which version of worlds collide did you get??
They were all called Serpentis Overseer or Guristas Overseer. I didnt scan them until after I had killed the high bounty ones but I noticed after that when I scanned to see if any were up that in the scanner Type column they had nameds like Dread Guristas Usurper or Shadow Core High Admiral etc.
Yeah this was post patch Saryn, just need to keep killing them or if they're not up wait for them to pop, they will eventually.
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RangerXT
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:59:00 -
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Even if a caracal could complete IO there is no way it could collect the loot. It's max cargo is far below what is needed to suck all those cans up.
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Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:23:00 -
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so, enlighten us with your video please and no fast forwarding either.
(cant wait to turn this into another missiles are overpowered thread)
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