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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:59:00 -
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Low SP player, around 1.5 mil specializing in Amarr boats and beginning exploration. I'm looking for suggestions on an all purpose ship and fit capable of 4/10 plexes. Currently am running with a Harbinger, which works great except for the fact that it can't enter 3/10 and is a little slow. My plan is to eventually delve into low/null exploration, so long term suggestions aren't out of the question, but looking for a solid place to start and efficiently earn a little isk in hi sec. Also, cross training to other ships wouldn't be unreasonable as well, if there's a better lineup of ships that can do the job better with low SP than Amarr.
The obvious route to go seems to be T2 cruisers, but will take a little time to get there.
Thanks in advance for suggestions. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
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Posted - 2014.07.10 04:14:00 -
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Vexor is the classic all in one explo boat. I imagine the arbitrator could pull it off too but you don't have as much fitting room. I have seen all in one rupture fits...ikr...
With a mobile depot you can do anything in anything. I would suggest a cruiser though, if you have your heart set on getting into the smaller sites. |
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.10 05:01:00 -
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Vexor does seem like an excellent choice. It would be a great stepping stone towards an Ishtar, which I imagine is an excellent exploration ship as well.
I've also read very good things about a Curse, which I could alternatively begin in an arby and go from there.
Also, is the Sacrilege a viable choice? Seems it has a great tank and damage capabilities. |
Shitavius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.10 06:05:00 -
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Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3
As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.
To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
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Posted - 2014.07.10 06:35:00 -
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Air filters[Vexor, Poor man's AFKtar] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinfor
Plenty of fitting room left for a probe launcher...train into an ishtar... I'm still 2 weeks out from t2 amarr cruisers so I couldn't speak to them |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.07.10 08:53:00 -
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gila is a good alternative to ishtar. |
Talia Valta
Valta Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.10 11:09:00 -
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Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.
It all depends on what your looking for?
Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?
Combat sites will be done quite quickly in hi sec as everyone will be looking for them.
The same goes for Relic and Data sites, but there are some out there to find.
I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.
I would include running the combat anoms as well, these have a chance to escalate and lead you all over hi sec, and into low sec (Be very Careful), but can reward you with some good loot.
I got a low grade snake implant from a frigate wreck on an escalation and that was worth about 40 million ISK.
As always, only fly what you can afford to loose!!
Fly safe. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
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Posted - 2014.07.10 11:17:00 -
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[Stratios, Exploration] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Microwarpdrive II Relic Analyzer II Data Analyzer II Cargo Scanner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Bouncer II x4 Garde II x4 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x2 Salvage Drone I x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Hobgoblin II x1 Hammerhead II x1
This is what i used when i was in high sec for a while, no boundries, no fit changes.
For 4/10's warp in, pull range, drop sentries, blap fastest rats first as they come towards you.
For a low skill point pilot, fitting becomes esier with meta 4 guns, t1 scanners etc but is still a pretty forgiving ship
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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:22:00 -
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Talia Valta wrote:Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.
It all depends on what your looking for?
Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?
Combat sites will be done quite quickly in hi sec as everyone will be looking for them.
The same goes for Relic and Data sites, but there are some out there to find.
I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.
I would include running the combat anoms as well, these have a chance to escalate and lead you all over hi sec, and into low sec (Be very Careful), but can reward you with some good loot.
I got a low grade snake implant from a frigate wreck on an escalation and that was worth about 40 million ISK.
As always, only fly what you can afford to loose!!
Fly safe.
While i enjoy the relic and data sites, it hasn't seemed incredibly profitable so far. Hi sec i prolly average 10-20 isk an hour. I got ballsy and threw a cloaking device on a Magnate and did about a dozen Low sec sites. Maybe it was just bad luck, but it wasn't any more profitable than the hi sec sites. Maybe null is where its at.
Combat anoms and plexes have been great for me so far. Already found several type A modules that are decent isk for a newer player. That's kinda why im looking for a good all in one. I'd like to focus primarily on anoms and combat sites, but dont want to pass up relic and data sites that I scan down in a system. |
Talia Valta
Valta Industries
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:42:00 -
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Now here's the thing.
Do you train for a Gila, with its huge drone bonus, an Ishtar with good shield resistances, or a Stratios with an excellent probing role?
There is also the Cerberus which is apparently quite good for DED's and anoms.
In the end it's your choice of what you fly, and you might be better off with something designed for what your looking for.
I'm not sure but I think the Gnosis is also a good choice and is capable of multiple bonuses.
Fly safe.
P.S. Yes Null is where it's all at. |
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2014.07.10 19:44:00 -
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Paserak Virtus wrote: Also, is the Sacrilege a viable choice? Seems it has a great tank and damage capabilities.
I've used the Sacrilege when running sites in Minmatar space. It works well there. Overall you'd probably be best off training Gallente cruiser and using the Stratios until you can use the Ishtar.
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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.10 21:51:00 -
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As far as t3 goes, is the tengu the only real choice, or do all the strategic cruisers perform well? |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:11:00 -
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You can get a lot of use out of the other Strategic Cruisers as well. Nerfs to the Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile platforms brought them back in line with the rest. Medium Railguns received a well-needed buff to the same effect. The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts. |
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:22:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:You can get a lot of use out of the other Strategic Cruisers as well. Nerfs to the Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile platforms brought them back in line with the rest. Medium Railguns received a well-needed buff to the same effect.
For boats without a turret bonus, is railgun the preferred platform? Or are artys and ac's performing well? |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:24:00 -
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Talia Valta wrote:I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.
Nullsec sites need V skills to not explode half the cans. 80/20 requires a lot of luck. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:42:00 -
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As others have mentioned, droneboats are generally the best way to go about with an all-in-one exploration boat, with the Ishtar being the best option (IMO). If you're low skilled and skilled into Amarr, start with an Arbitrator, then focus on training Gallente Cruiser, once you have it at IV you can switch to a Vexor Navy Issue. Start training for good heavy/sentry drone skills and eventually get Gallente Cruiser V and go with an Ishtar. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:51:00 -
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I had excellent experiance on high sec all-in-one ship while using Vexor-Navy-Issue. I guess you could use vexor as well.
if you only fly amarr try an arbitrator. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:26:00 -
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Stratios. And don't be afraid to pimp it out a bit, it really pays off.
As a low SP player I used one to great effect and fitted some of the nice stuff I'd find in the DED sites. Because my fitting skills were pretty horrible I just put a smokescreen cloak on it and an expanded probe launcher. I could run data and relic sites in low really easily, and if I saw something that looked baity on D-scan I'd launch some combat probes to chase him off. Combat sites in low didn't work well as a low SP player. They took too long and you can't always get the warp scrambling frigs off of you in time. (If you want an example, go look at my killboard. You'll also find my fitting there. Any seasoned player will tell you it's awful, but it works great for a low SP player)
After all of the money I spent on the ship, it still earned me over 3 billion in a couple months. A pretty decent haul for a noob doing high sec exploration. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
824
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:46:00 -
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If you go for the stratios then don't fit an expanded probe launcher on it, like the guy above me suggested. That is the reason he had fitting problem. CCP made it nearly impossible to put an expanded probe launcher on the SOE ships because it would've made them too powerful as pvp ships. The simple fact of it is that you can make a great fit on the stratios or put an expaned probe launcher on there with a crap fit. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.07.12 00:50:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:If you go for the stratios then don't fit an expanded probe launcher on it, like the guy above me suggested. That is the reason he had fitting problem. CCP made it nearly impossible to put an expanded probe launcher on the SOE ships because it would've made them too powerful as pvp ships. The simple fact of it is that you can make a great fit on the stratios or put an expaned probe launcher on there with a crap fit.
Not something a low SP player is going to be doing in a 300 mil hull. And please note that the expanded probe launcher is on there specifically to deter PvP, and never failed to chase off an uncloaked ship. I should have noted that the expanded launcher is only useful for low sec though, so thank you for saying something. A regular launcher will save him some time using a mobile depot in high sec. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
824
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:58:00 -
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Speaking as the guy in those low sec systems that is hunting for you, I can assure you that your combat probes only scared off competition. When I am hunting and see combats on scan I assume 1 of 2 things, either my prey is trying to scare off competition or there is another hunter in system and I need to be faster.
My point still stands however. You can greatly improve your fit, limiting the amount of time that you spend exposed to danger and at the same time increasing the amount of isk you make over time or you can gimp your fit...
The point about this being a high sec fit is also important here. There is no need to spend that sort of isk on a pirate ship when a t1 cruiser will do the job just as well. If you really feel that a greater investment will help you then go for a navy ship. You can get just as much output for a fraction of the cost.
With all that said... I will not denie the utter coolness of the SOE ships. It may be worth it just to improve your viewing experience |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.07.12 13:57:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Speaking as the guy in those low sec systems that is hunting for you, I can assure you that your combat probes only scared off competition. When I am hunting and see combats on scan I assume 1 of 2 things, either my prey is trying to scare off competition or there is another hunter in system and I need to be faster.
My point still stands however. You can greatly improve your fit, limiting the amount of time that you spend exposed to danger and at the same time increasing the amount of isk you make over time or you can gimp your fit...
The point about this being a high sec fit is also important here. There is no need to spend that sort of isk on a pirate ship when a t1 cruiser will do the job just as well. If you really feel that a greater investment will help you then go for a navy ship. You can get just as much output for a fraction of the cost.
With all that said... I will not denie the utter coolness of the SOE ships. It may be worth it just to improve your viewing experience
It's not just about the coolness. The Stratios is just straight up OP and you can get away with having bad core skills for a very long time piloting it. The huge drone bay and cargo bay mean that you can carry all of your tools with you and you don't have to spend time hunting resources because you moved from Serpentis to Sansha territory for example. Being able to fit both guns and sentries means that you can kite tank (which is incredibly effective in DED sites) the 30+ targets on grid without accidentally flying into the middle of one group or another trying to stay close to your sentries, and that you can use your sentries to remove stuff that slips under your tracking. Etc and so on.... It's just a really forgiving ship and it doesn't take much to keep it alive, but most importantly it saves you a huge amount of downtime so that you can scan down as many sites as possible in as many systems as possible.
Oh, and if someone is doing exploration sites in lowsec system where there is already more than 1 hunter, they didn't want to keep their ship. Now assume that you are the lone hunter in a system deep in low, and a cloaky drone ship pops combat probes on you...
How long are you going to sit around guessing how many of his friends are next door, waiting for him to get on grid with you? Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Aine Morchet
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:21:00 -
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Paserak Virtus wrote:Talia Valta wrote:Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.
It all depends on what your looking for?
Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?
While i enjoy the relic and data sites, it hasn't seemed incredibly profitable so far. Hi sec i prolly average 10-20m isk an hour. I got ballsy and threw a cloaking device on a Magnate and did about a dozen Low sec sites. Maybe it was just bad luck, but it wasn't any more profitable than the hi sec sites. Maybe null is where its at. Combat anoms and plexes have been great for me so far. Already found several type A modules that are decent isk for a newer player. That's kinda why im looking for a good all in one. I'd like to focus primarily on anoms and combat sites, but dont want to pass up relic and data sites that I scan down in a system.
I currently make most of my money doing hisec combats and datas, (mediocre income at 40-50m isk/hr, but it is relaxing, safe, and doesn't glue you to your computer like a group activity).
IMO yeah relic sites in hisec are not worth doing. Ignoring them will save you unprofitable running time and refitting time. Data sites however are consistently ok enough that I still do them. I have 2 fits I swap between: an MWD/data analyzer fit that does Datas and the easy combat sites (ex. 3/10s), and an AB fit with a tank mod instead of the Analyzer for the harder sites (4/10s, Vigils and such).
Vexor is a good choice and the Ishtar is excessively good atm so training towards that is a big bonus (unless CCP nerfs it somehow). There is one hisec data sig you will not be able to scan down with an unbonused ship, but its not important. The Stratios is definitely going to be the best if you can afford one, and you aren't likely to lose it in hisec.
Good luck out there! And learn to blitz the combat sites, with low skills it might not be possible but you'll ideally want fits that can tank enough to just hit the triggers, kill the boss with the loot, and leave.
Last thing, on your question of non-tengu T3s, only the Loki truly sucks at PvE, the Legion and Proteus are ok. |
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:12:00 -
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Shitavius wrote:Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3
As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.
To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot.
I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question.
Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites.
And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking.
Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:35:00 -
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Paserak Virtus wrote:Shitavius wrote:Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3
As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.
To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot. I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question. Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites. And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking. Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be.
Theres nothing "wrong" with any of them, there are just better ships for the job. They all have either comparativly low dps or tank, or start losing utility. For highsec nearly any combat cruiser can run combat sites (tho to different degrees) but you start sacrifising that combat ability if you start adding probes, scanners etc.
In null without a T3 you wont be able to handle combat sites AND be able to get through inevitale gangs/camps. For exploration a T2 scanning frig will be safer than a recon, quicker (speed and at sites), and cheeper.
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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.15 07:52:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Paserak Virtus wrote:Shitavius wrote:Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3
As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.
To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot. I certainly don't have any experience with t2 amarr cruisers but I'll ask the question. Why wouldn't a Sacrilege do well for hi sec exploration? Seems, based on tank and missiles, it would do well in combat sites. And the curse and pilgrim seem like they could do well for low/null sec exploration, with the ability to fit a cloak, being a drone boat, and with the bonus to nuet it seems like a boat you'd think twice about ganking. Maybe I'm reading outdated information, and missing something that only experience can teach you. Just curious what the issues with those boats would be. Theres nothing "wrong" with any of them, there are just better ships for the job. They all have either comparativly low dps or tank, or start losing utility. For highsec nearly any combat cruiser can run combat sites (tho to different degrees) but you start sacrifising that combat ability if you start adding probes, scanners etc. In null without a T3 you wont be able to handle combat sites AND be able to get through inevitale gangs/camps. For exploration a T2 scanning frig will be safer than a recon, quicker (speed and at sites), and cheeper.
I assumed it was something along these lines, just wanted some clarification. I really like amarr ships and am looking for an excuse to use them for what I'm trying to do. Oh we'll there's always pvp and missions. :)
So it seems the general consensus for hi sec is vexor to Ishtar , and then a stratios once I can fit it really well.
Once I delve into low/null with all in one fits still be viable, or will a scan bonused ship be necessary to scan down sites?
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