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Tinneosa
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:27:00 -
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is there a good configuration for being a sniper rax at max distance??
this is gang PvP-ing.
i used to have a setup for one a year ago. it wont work anymore.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.28 15:29:00 -
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tbh anythink works in gang ...
for pvp sniping rax is totaly usseles
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Tinneosa
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Posted - 2006.06.28 19:38:00 -
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i was told a long range rax is needed. sniper config would be best. i would also like to rat with a good sniper config
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:30:00 -
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Two easy steps:
1) Sell the thorax
2) Buy a Moa.
Thorax can't snipe to save it's life - Moa, however, can.
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Dethis
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Zekk Pacus
Two easy steps:
1) Sell the thorax
2) Buy a Moa.
Thorax can't snipe to save it's life - Moa, however, can.
Pretty much, Even the ships bonus's favor thorax coming in close asap
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Kill em all and let god sort em out
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 28/06/2006 20:39:32
ignore these heathens, you can snipe in one.
speak to poisoner orbious (spell?)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zekk Pacus
Two easy steps:
1) Sell the thorax
2) Buy a Moa.
Thorax can't snipe to save it's life - Moa, however, can.
/signed
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tinneosa
i was told a long range rax is needed. sniper config would be best. i would also like to rat with a good sniper config
well long time i expermented with rax at longer ranges
tbh even with 5x 200mm rails II its hard to get descent setup
realy buy moa..
moa is way better for this
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:50:00 -
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For the record, if you really wanted to...
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 1 | 35] Tracking Computer II
> [ 1 | 10] Sensor Booster II
> [ 1 | 10] Sensor Booster II
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 0 | 18] Reactor Control Unit II
> [ 1 | 15] Tracking Enhancer II
> [ 1 | 15] Tracking Enhancer II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
The RCU is needed, otherwise I can't even fit all five rails. Optimal is 80km, DPS is pathetic (60-70).
Whereas the Moa...
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 225 | 27] 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [40xIron Charge M]
> [ 50 | 24] 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher
> [ 50 | 24] 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 1 | 10] Sensor Booster II
> [ 1 | 10] Sensor Booster II
> [ 1 | 35] Tracking Computer II
> [ 1 | 35] Tracking Computer II
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 0 | 18] Power Diagnostic System II
> [ 1 | 15] Tracking Enhancer II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
DPS is better at around 80-100, and optimal is over 100km. I've fit t1 guns just to keep quickfit quiet. But you'll see the same with t2 guns.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 28/06/2006 20:54:44
250 2's
sensor booster 2, 2 tracking comp 2's
rcu, tracking enhancer 2, 3 mag stabs 2's
Base range of ~51k with max skills, so ~102 optimal with Spike(? .. don't use rails ;s). Lock range of ~106k with Long Range Targeting 4, which should be fine considering the optimal.
edit - Moa's max optimal might be higher, but you get ~56% more damage with the same ammo on a rax from the extra gun and ship bonus.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 28/06/2006 20:54:28
Originally by: Zekk Pacus
your moa setups is bad tbh
4x 250 mm rails II 2x whatever
3x sencor boosters, 1x tracking cpu
2x mag stabs II 2x Tracking Enhancer II
with spike ~ 140 km range
or semi tanked ( if i remmeber it corect)
hight: same
1xsencor booster 2x hardeners ( em and thermic), med sb ( well not sure :))
low: same ( i think )
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 20:56:00 -
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Given that even though I'm caldari I very rarely, if ever, fly the Moa, that's not surprising. I'm a Ferox junkie, although with rails.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zekk Pacus
Given that even though I'm caldari I very rarely, if ever, fly the Moa, that's not surprising. I'm a Ferox junkie, although with rails.
well u loss alot
moa is soo good ship
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:20:00 -
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I just ran this through quickfit:
Thorax
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Tracking Computer II
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Optimal of 101km, falloff of 15km, lock range of 160km. 188 DPS.
All with maxed skills.
Ofc, by exchanging a TE for an MFS, you could trade a little range for a little damage.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zekk Pacus
DPS is better at around 80-100, and optimal is over 100km. I've fit t1 guns just to keep quickfit quiet. But you'll see the same with t2 guns.
along with what was posted, that is ridiculous. The only way 4 guns without a damage bonus outdamage 5 with a damage bonus at optimal with the same skills and ammo is if you included the assault launchers as well in the DPS. It might have escaped your attention, but assault launchers aren't really a sniper weapon
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:24:00 -
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Meh, that's not too bad a setup. It's an academic exercise, of course. If you are going to fit rails on a Thorax you're better setting up to track fast, hard, and close. In which case you might as well give up and fit Heavy Ions.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:34:00 -
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In contrast, for the Moa, I put in:
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
250mm Railgun II [40xSpike M]
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
135 DPS, 152km optimal, 15km falloff, 167km lock range
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:35:00 -
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Considering T2 ammo and assuming you don't really need a whole lot of range, the thorax is probably a better choice overall, but it's still a crazy idea (IMHO).
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:52:00 -
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Using setups stated above I created a graph using NB's spreadsheet. I also put Rupture sniper and caracal in there for comparison.
Thorax v Moa v Rupture v Caracal
It shows that with T2 ranged ammo the Thorax outdamages them all but the Moa takes over at about 110km when the Thorax hits max range.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:00:00 -
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^^ whats with the bumps in the caracal line?
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 28/06/2006 21:57:28
Using setups stated above I created a graph using NB's spreadsheet. I also put Rupture sniper and caracal in there for comparison.
Thorax v Moa v Rupture v Caracal
It shows that with T2 ranged ammo the Thorax outdamages them all but the Moa takes over at about 110km when the Thorax hits max range.
Edit: I just notace I failed to put BCU on the Caracal, its damage is then the best...
The caracal in that graph is the only one not using t2 ammunition, I wonder how it compares with t2 missiles
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tinneosa
i was told a long range rax is needed. sniper config would be best. i would also like to rat with a good sniper config
Fire your gangleader. Wow, that was easy.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
^^ whats with the bumps in the caracal line?
Thats what I was thinking to...
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 28/06/2006 21:57:28
Using setups stated above I created a graph using NB's spreadsheet. I also put Rupture sniper and caracal in there for comparison.
Thorax v Moa v Rupture v Caracal
so basically the thorax rules up to 110km whih is all the range he probably wanted.
so moa sucks. well always knew this. still its nice with blasters ;)
It shows that with T2 ranged ammo the Thorax outdamages them all but the Moa takes over at about 110km when the Thorax hits max range.
Edit: I just notace I failed to put BCU on the Caracal, its damage is then the best...
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 28/06/2006 22:09:54
Originally by: HippoKing
^^ whats with the bumps in the caracal line?
Thats what I was thinking to...
EDIT: Maybe something to do with DOT so reloading... I dunno cos other axis is range. One for NB to answer.
The first one is drones, the second one christ knows.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.28 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 28/06/2006 22:24:06
Originally by: Testicular Testes
The first one is drones, the second one christ knows.
ermmm No drones, they would be listed in the bottom.
That isn't the point, this is about sniper Thorax so missile caracal shouldn't take over this thread.
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