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Abyssum Invocat
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:33:00 -
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The price dropped pretty notably in Dodixie. Do you guys think this is the end of the bubble? |
Evil Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.07.12 01:38:00 -
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No |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
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Posted - 2014.07.12 02:05:00 -
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Abyssum Invocat wrote:The price dropped pretty notably in Dodixie. Do you guys think this is the end of the bubble?
There is no bubble, you are dumb. |
Nemah Xadi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.12 03:05:00 -
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Are you the guy who sold off your stock to crash the price, and now you're starting threads like this to crash it even further because you don't care?
You bastard.
I still have 50b in plex.
Please lets get back to the threads about how the price is rising and always will. |
Erin Crawford
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Posted - 2014.07.12 09:51:00 -
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yes!
This is the end! |
Obunagawe
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Posted - 2014.07.12 10:00:00 -
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Rising again as people wake up to the lower prices and buy bulk PLEX. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.07.12 14:01:00 -
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no, plex isn't crashing. we're just going back to business as usual. after everyone plexed their new accounts. |
Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:48:00 -
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Yes!!
It is crashing right into my buy orders. |
Colonel Napalm
Muthim
Slightly Sexual
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Posted - 2014.07.13 02:57:00 -
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Yes it is ! Go sell all your plex before it falls to loow !  |
Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no, plex isn't crashing. we're just going back to business as usual. after everyone plexed their new accounts.
Why so serieus brohan? |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:05:00 -
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I think the short-term price hike caused by Power of Two is probably over.
That doesn't mean the long term factors that increase PLEX prices have changed at all - mainly, that the number of medium skillpoint players capable of efficiently generating ISK (via a variety of measures) has increased faster than the number of people looking to spend RL cash for ISK in an EULA-compliant fashion.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:50:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I think the short-term price hike caused by Power of Two is probably over.
That doesn't mean the long term factors that increase PLEX prices have changed at all - mainly, that the number of medium skillpoint players capable of efficiently generating ISK (via a variety of measures) has increased faster than the number of people looking to spend RL cash for ISK in an EULA-compliant fashion.
Dunno.... eventually it's going to crash. It's starting to be offset by the number of players moving away from plexing accounts and back to paying subscriptions instead and cancelling accounts they rarely need due to the stupidly high prices of plex.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.-á He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:48:00 -
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It will burst when CCP fixes sov. Then people will reactivate accounts and liquidate their investment plex for isk to spend. Plex price will keep rising until the number of online users (not active accounts) starts to increase again.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Elbie Klep
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:02:00 -
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Abyssum Invocat wrote:The price dropped pretty notably in Dodixie. Do you guys think this is the end of the bubble?
The ultimate source of plex is new players who desperately need ISK and use their credit cards to get it. I've been away for 18 months, but the first thing I noticed on returning was that the player login level was the same as it was two years ago. Essentially the growth has stopped. That is most likely because new players don't stick around anymore.
EVE is no longer a friendly place for those interested in the RPG part unless they have mature positions with lots of ISK. The gap between mature positions and noob positions is huge. The traditional stepstone after mining for noobs is manufacturing, but they can't make money with T1 stuff because it is a seller's market and the Dance Of The Cents over nine years has driven it to mineral value. (CCP really needs to fix the way overlapping buy/sell orders are resolved.) It is too easy to war decl small corps and PvP corps are making that into an industry. What noob wants to hide in a station for one week out of three? CCP seems to be actively supporting ganking, even pure griefing. I can afford to lose the odd freighter out of petty cash, but to a noob that Obelisk, Orca, Hulk, or faction L4 runner is a huge investment that took them a long time to get. (1/3 of the value per month for insurance? How many noobs can afford that for large ships?) That's severe frustration.
The bottom line is that the only noobs who stick around are the ones who like to blow things up rather than build things. That influx isn't enough to support the internal demand for plex from mature accounts, so there is no place for the price to go but up. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:40:00 -
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I'm a new player. Can you explain to me why am I supposed to be buying plex to generate isk for myself? That would suggest that the market is inflated to the point where new players can't properly fund themselves with their ingame activities, and in turn offers little incentive for them to stick around. In my experience, this has not been the case.
Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1218
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:49:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:I'm a new player. Can you explain to me why am I supposed to be buying plex to generate isk for myself? That would suggest that the market is inflated to the point where new players can't properly fund themselves with their ingame activities, and in turn offers little incentive for them to stick around. In my experience, this has not been the case.
Of course you don't have to. In game ways to make ISK haven't changed, plex is just a shortcut option.
Cost of subscription via plex is another matter. But I don't see why CCP would want to make that easier.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:26:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:I'm a new player. Can you explain to me why am I supposed to be buying plex to generate isk for myself? That would suggest that the market is inflated to the point where new players can't properly fund themselves with their ingame activities, and in turn offers little incentive for them to stick around. In my experience, this has not been the case. Of course you don't have to. In game ways to make ISK haven't changed, plex is just a shortcut option. Cost of subscription via plex is another matter. But I don't see why CCP would want to make that easier.
By funding myself I meant ships, mods etc. I've seen other people say that new players should be converting plex to isk too, so it got me wondering.
Consuming plex for subscription purposes is an entirely different subject that I wasn't touching on.
Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:25:00 -
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It depends how you play., for someone who wants a head start to trade, or someone with less time to play, PLEX can give them the ISK to continue advancing without having to wait even longer in order to grind the ISK. On the other hands you get clueless people dropping $3000 on missioning ships and then losing them in pitiful ways.
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Tulber
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:56:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
By funding myself I meant ships, mods etc. I've seen other people say that new players should be converting plex to isk too, so it got me wondering.
*Should* is inappropriate verbiage for anyone to be using. Value is subjective. You cannot derive an ought (eg. should) from an is. Because PLEX buys X amount of isk does not mean you should sell or buy PLEX. What people mean when they say this, unless they're idiots, is that they value their time more than the cash they're spending on PLEX vis a vi what time they would spend grinding isk manually. As an example, a surgeon might be good at mowing lawns, he might even be better than his neighborhood kid who mows the lawn for him; however, he doesn't mow his lawn because he makes way more doing surgery and in the little off time he has he'd just like to enjoy himself and not perform the work of mowing the lawn. The option to pay his neighbor kid to do it doesn't mean he shouldn't mow his lawn, but he can and does chose not to do so because he values his free time more highly than doing it himself.
To relate this back to EVE, and more appropriately to narrow it a bit to the newbies situation: Assuming you had cash that you didn't mind spending on PLEX, you can make an order of magnitude more isk simply selling a PLEX per month or every other month even, than simply plugging away at low level missions or some other typical newbie task. That being said, as a newbie you also incur far less cost to operate (by which I mean, pvp and losing ships) than your vet counterparts, so it really comes down to a wash based on your own opinions.
Currently, on this character I have an alpha clone and can only fly t1 fitted t1 frigates. That means a weekend of pvp costs me on the order of a few million isk which I can easily recoup during the week by doing a few hours of exploration a night, which I also enjoy. I do also have the option of selling a PLEX and being good on frigate replacements for months, but I've yet to take it because I don't really see the point in skipping content while I still like it. Perhaps later I'll take that option, but for now I'm satisfied.
Summarily, there's absolutely nothing compelling you to purchase and sell PLEX. It's simply an outlet for those with little time to play the game who want to make sure every moment of their game time is specifically tailored to their desired content and does not have to include any grinding, which they're essentially paying someone else' subscription time to do for them. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1220
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:57:00 -
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Yes, entirely up to you. If you want to mission, faction warfare, wormhole, trade, whatever for isk then you are welcome to. If you choose not to spend your time earning isk but prefer to just sell a plex for spending isk then you can do that too. No pressure either way - just a question of how much time vs isk you have to spend.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:05:00 -
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PLEX have swung up 2-3% in the last 48 hours, quick, someone make a new thread about it, this one is out of date!
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2014.07.17 08:08:00 -
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my feelings about plex.
The tears of the many, outweigh the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
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Sh0plifter
Underworld Initiative
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Posted - 2014.07.17 10:38:00 -
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"Crashing" is often thrown around when a price drops 2% on ships/mods too. You should start a topic about the Brutix drop in lowsec too.
Buying Plex with RL money to sell, is just a means of giving ones self a boost. It is and has always still been profitable to trade around low-end items. Station trading or even cross-region trading is still viable. People do not need to buy plex. If they have no interest in trading than hopefully they run alot of missions. Manufacturing is meh, little margins if a user is new to the game and new to it. Even then they are better off just trading instead of manufacturing because that is essentially all they are doing, but for more time and he same margins or slightly worse. They have to watch the drops and rises of things to even make manufacturing worth it. So same effort, more time, same profit as trading in low-end items. |
Fulbert
wws Corp.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:02:00 -
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Someone (EVE Central Bank?) sold off many PLEXes on a short period (07/10 to 07/12 ). This is over. The price is now increasing, again, on its former channel... |
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:12:00 -
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Its because 3/4 of null is napped and the isk is being optained easyer than before. EVE is dying
(edit: souce: circumstances chineese server) |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
337
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Posted - 2014.07.17 17:09:00 -
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Fulbert wrote:Someone (EVE Central Bank?) sold off many PLEXes on a short period (07/10 to 07/12 ). This is over. The price is now increasing, again, on its former channel...
I sold off about 400 at 810-840. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5455
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:03:00 -
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At the moment I am not playing (only got 1 RL life and it's currently full  ) so I can't check.
But if price is dipping it's good, because it proves EvE economy is still healthy.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:04:00 -
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Meep Meep |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:34:00 -
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Elbie Klep wrote: I can afford to lose the odd freighter out of petty cash, but to a noob that Obelisk, Orca, Hulk, or faction L4 runner is a huge investment that took them a long time to get. (1/3 of the value per month for insurance? How many noobs can afford that for large ships?) That's severe frustration.
When i started playing eve i started as most people with mining.You started mining in a frig , then a cruiser to eventually end up in the ulitmate mining ship , the apoc.So after having spend many many months i finally got myself the thing i started for , a raven , and i lost that ship within the time span of max 4 hours ''hello ecp and beybey ecp '' .
My mind was blown and i was gazing at the screen for minutes wich seemed hours ... and then it hit me , the frustration was higher then i had experienced in any other mmorpg/game i had ever played and eve got me hooked for years and years to come.
Why this story?Because that is how ''vets'' got hooked into eve but today's ''players'' mostly do the opposite.Any game that can give you a downfeeling is thrown in the corner because of it being '' too frustrating'' as you play to relax from rl stuff where as the oldschool/and to some extent the exeptional newbro plays to get the thrills wich rl lacks.
Take away the frustration from backstabbing / ganking / steeling asshats you meet in your eve carreer and you end up with a game as blend as the other mmorpgs.All of the former are playstyles i haven't done myself and i doubt i ever would because of ''eve-bushido'' but if it was ever removed from the game i would immediatly cancel all my accounts.
But then i'm sure that one day that will happen and CCP will be ''forced'' to adapt to the general boredom that is mmorpg's these days.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:12:00 -
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DEATH to standard MMORPG gameplay 
Well I have also sold my personal pile of PLEX, if even a little smaller than yours X ATM092 
PLEX are "crashing" for a bit at the moment, but will be back stronger than before. I have it from good sources, and own data that PLEX are going to go to a much high level before the year is out, and that will only be the beginning 
If this will be good or bad for the game - time will tell 
Don't think it will change much in the end, if China's server is anything to go by 
Any typos, spelling errors and bad grammer found, are free and yours to keep
Current bond : PFA05 500b / Total 825b |
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.07.17 22:29:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Elbie Klep wrote: I can afford to lose the odd freighter out of petty cash, but to a noob that Obelisk, Orca, Hulk, or faction L4 runner is a huge investment that took them a long time to get. (1/3 of the value per month for insurance? How many noobs can afford that for large ships?) That's severe frustration.
When i started playing eve i started as most people with mining.You started mining in a frig , then a cruiser to eventually end up in the ulitmate mining ship , the apoc.So after having spend many many months i finally got myself the thing i started for , a raven , and i lost that ship within the time span of max 4 hours ''hello ecp and beybey ecp '' . My mind was blown and i was gazing at the screen for minutes wich seemed hours ... and then it hit me , the frustration was higher then i had experienced in any other mmorpg/game i had ever played and eve got me hooked for years and years to come. Why this story?Because that is how ''vets'' got hooked into eve but today's ''players'' mostly do the opposite.Any game that can give you a downfeeling is thrown in the corner because of it being '' too frustrating'' as you play to relax from rl stuff where as the oldschool/and to some extent the exeptional newbro plays to get the thrills wich rl lacks. Take away the frustration from backstabbing / ganking / steeling asshats you meet in your eve carreer and you end up with a game as blend as the other mmorpgs.All of the former are playstyles i haven't done myself and i doubt i ever would because of ''eve-bushido'' but if it was ever removed from the game i would immediatly cancel all my accounts. But then i'm sure that one day that will happen and CCP will be ''forced'' to adapt to the general boredom that is mmorpg's these days.
To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help.
Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
Tulber
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:47:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help.
Eh... that first bit is a rather tiresome cliche. I've been around a while and i'm starting from scratch for the second time here. The mechanics are certainly rough around the edges and in some places worse than others, but the market and interconnection of the content is way ahead of every other game I've seen or heard of. I don't follow a lot of mmo's lately, but I've never seen one yet that essentially requires your interaction with the player marketplace like EVE does. Doing it all yourself in most mmos is a popular way to play. Doing it all yourself in EVE would require dozens of alts, a colition of players to give you access to all the necessary moons, and the latter essentially precludes the "do it yourself," scenario.
Really, when you get down to brass tacks, the interactions are the game, but those intereactions only take place in the context of the game. This isn't reddit with a skillqueue. It's a spaceship game with a whole lot of ways to participate in or generate unique meta content. |
Sh0plifter
Underworld Initiative
38
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:31:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote: To be honest, considering base gameplay mechanics, EvE is worse than other gaming products on the markets be it MMOs or other types of games.
When you consider the interactions that you can have with other players in EvE, however... take this subforum for example, with all the loans and bonds and such... it's stuff like that that makes me play. Well, that and the skillqueue. Please help.
Absolutely not. Eve is not your 1 thru = MMO. You dont have 30 abilities to use in a certain order. Eve is not your 1-6 MMO either. Eve is in its own field. An entire economy completely user ran. Multiple possibilities to range for active and semi-active players. You can do many things under the tense of "Do-it-yourself" but why? Most people do not play computer (internet) video games to play by themselves. They play for the interaction. The biggest problem new people see when they start up is the effort that goes into starting. You are talking getting money with cheap or free ships. Buying your basic skills and training them. Without a mentor in this game, or people to play with. Starting up sucks. You could not ultimately simplify the mechanics for this game, if they did it would draw new people as it would push people away as well. People play for the diversity and complexity of this game. Everything now, for the most part requires more than yourself. Sure you can run missions solo, you can have an arsenal of alts for production/industrial stuff. Sure you can have an alt army for hauling, trading, etc. However the bigger picture of this game is not single-player friend. People are figuring this out and getting groups together to go run through lowsec. People are figuring this out as they go base out of low-sec or nullsec systems to enjoy a riskier PVE environment. Could you solo-do it all? Absolutely, I have done it. Boring as all hell though.
For PVP, you play against new people all the time. Always a new face to be shot at.
For Industrialists you have entire corporations that work together to help build stuff. Mining operations where people sit and chat while dumping ore into orcas. What else is there to do while mining other than interact with people there?
For mission runners, alot of new people start off in corps that run missions with them. They may be salvaging stuff as they go. But they have people to play with, to help guide them.
The users who most of the time do not stick around do not put the effort into the MMO portion of the game. They try to do single-player while figuring it out. Which ultimately leads to most also uninstalling after a week or the trial.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
268
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:39:00 -
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There are few constants in life, but one of them is that every time I come back to EVE after a few months off, I can guarantee that there will be a Bad Bobby thread and a "Is PLEX crashing" thread. I love you all.
/would like pledge 20b |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.19 07:38:00 -
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The bubble is very real. The only people saying that it is not are the ones who invested deeply in plex. Just like all the morons who bought apple stock at it's highest prices right before iphone 5 came out only to have that bubble burst with in days.
The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5455
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Posted - 2014.07.19 08:15:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:The bubble is very real. The only people saying that it is not are the ones who invested deeply in plex. Just like all the morons who bought apple stock at it's highest prices right before iphone 5 came out only to have that bubble burst with in days.
The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment.
Markets are made by money and facts.
Let talk those who talk, they are irrelevant, exactly like the many mouthpieces that pretend to be relevant in RL economy.
They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money).
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2320
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:25:00 -
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OllieNorth wrote:There are few constants in life, but one of them is that every time I come back to EVE after a few months off, I can guarantee that there will be a Bad Bobby thread and a "Is PLEX crashing" thread. I love you all.
/would like pledge 20b
Bobby is too much busy with making tea these days it seems .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Nemah Xadi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:55:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:The plex bubble will in deed burst anyone who says otherwise is only trying not to lose there ass on the plex they bought as investment.
And I suppose anyone who says what you're saying is only hoping to create a temporary dip so they can pick up more PLEX cheap? Maybe because you feel you didn't get in the game early enough?
There was a slight crash and now prices are heading back up again. People did not panic sell en masse, because there is no reason to. PLEX lasts forever, and the people who hold PLEX tend to be thinking long term and do not need to sell off their stash in order to get some ISK.
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely. |
Tulber
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:28:00 -
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Nemah Xadi wrote:People did not panic sell en masse, because there is no reason to. PLEX lasts forever, and the people who hold PLEX tend to be thinking long term and do not need to sell off their stash in order to get some ISK.
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
TIL the market for PLEX is perfectly inelastic. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.07.20 07:41:00 -
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Nemah Xadi wrote:
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
Right until is burst. People invested to much into plex now they are trying to undermine the fact that there is a bubble and it can and will burst.
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2014.07.20 08:20:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Nemah Xadi wrote:
This is why the "bubble" can keep inflating indefinitely.
Right until is burst. People invested to much into plex now they are trying to undermine the fact that there is a bubble and it can and will burst.
If people "invested too much" they can just sell some plex.
You can have a trillion in plex and turn it into ISK in a week without crashing the market. That's just another advantage of putting your spare ISK into plex.
But please do keep shouting BUBBLE from the sidelines if you like stagnating wealth. |
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money).
Power comes after money unless you live in some backwater 3rd world dump. First you get the money. Then you get the power. Then you get the women. Tony Montana: head and shoulders above the rest and telling it like it is since 1983. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5455
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:28:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They themselves are after something else which is not money but power by proxy (which later also allows to get money). Power comes after money unless you live in some backwater 3rd world dump. First you get the money. Then you get the power. Then you get the women. Tony Montana: head and shoulders above the rest and telling it like it is since 1983.
It depends on country. In my old one, people would all go into politics FIRST, then boast of their high connections and slowly "bubble up" in society till they become important enough to start becoming visible. Once visible they accept lots of money to steer government decisions (aka corruption, but there it's the ways things go).
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Erin Crawford
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:17:00 -
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going slightly to; but I would go so far to say that in todays world wealth buys information and information provides access to more wealth which in turn provides power/influence. Power/influence then again opens doors to even more information which again leads to more wealth and so on...
wealth - information - power... repeat...
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TedStriker
The Scope
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:34:00 -
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Plex crashing? Its up 80Mil in June alone....a small dip of 20mil for 1 day is nothing.
Call me when we are back at 500Mil, you know, when you guys (its always the same ones) cryed for the crash...because it has to happen somday right?...blub.
Learn what PLEX is and you will understand why it moves diametrically to the market (the market is nearly deflating right now, PLEX heavely inflating...thats a hint). |
Lebraid Leusten
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:35:00 -
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Erin Crawford wrote:going slightly to; but I would go so far to say that in todays world wealth buys information and information provides access to more wealth which in turn provides power/influence. Power/influence then again opens doors to even more information which again leads to more wealth and so on...
wealth - information - power... repeat...
Political power is the only means to get wealth in a fascist system like Europe and the united states. |
Nemah Xadi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:43:00 -
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Lebraid Leusten wrote:Political power is the only means to get wealth in a fascist system like Europe and the united states.
Yeah, everyone knows Bill Gates and Steve Jobs' best qualities were their social skills. |
Kuri Kurvora
Black VooDoo Asassins
The Kadeshi
3
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:10:00 -
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I don't think it will ever crash. It will consistently raising to a point where demand and supply will be in balance. And currently, where businessmen earns several plex worth of isk per day, demand is much bigger.
When it get's to a point, when the ISK grinders can't afford that 50-60 or more game hours to farm out it, and just buy with real money, then demand will start to fall a bit, but price won't crash, just stay at a constant level.
That level in my opinion will be more than 2.000.000.000 isk for sure.
Please tell me that I am wrong, but in that case also tell an explanation too.
Looking for uncollateralized and collateralized loans. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
1230
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:45:00 -
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Kuri Kurvora wrote:Please tell me that I am wrong, but in that case also tell an explanation too.
OK. The increased demand you correctly speak of is not based on any fundamental change in plex usage. It is not based on inflation because the economy actually deflated over the last year. It is not, to any meaningful extent, based on the plex for [service] features CCP offers. The fanfest economy presentation made this clear.
The increased demand is driven by speculation. This is not 'real' demand. There was similar demand for tulips once upon a time. And dot com shares.
I believe that plex will eventually reach well over a billion. It might even reach it in the current surge. But I doubt it will be sustained in the current surge because the demand is not based on a fundamental increase in the value of a plex.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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