Wasn't that mittani post a joke?

I don't agree with the notion that it's easy to get into corps today.

The ability to get into a corp of some sort in high-sec does not mean high-sec recruitment has no issues. That is quite the fallacy. Kaarous and whomever else have had little trouble are only a small sample size.

As a whole there is a sentiment of extreme paranoia in regards to high-sec corps, especially industrial ones. While I am only a small sample size myself, I have lived in several different areas of high-sec and have found the vast majority of corps are small (<30 members) and closed for recruitment.

Removing AWOXing might not make the biggest difference to some corps - E-Uni still recruits fine for instance and RvB don't even care about API checks - but there are many others it would. There are many corps that are closed for recruitment today that would open their doors for recruitment if CONCORD evasion was removed from corp mechanics.

The first corp I joined I stayed in for about 9 months and learned a fair bit about the game. It also took 3 weeks to get accepted. When I applied they were at war, and did not want to risk me being an AWOXer for the aggressors. It took 2.5 weeks for the war to finish, at which point they then took another few days doing in-depth research about me. I was then accepted but only because I was exceptionally patient. Most players would not wait 3 weeks.

Perhaps disabling CONCORD evasion requires an NPC tax, as well as a loss of a few corp benefits. This would help keep it balanced.

I don't agree with the notion that it's easy to get into corps today.

The ability to get into a corp of some sort in high-sec does not mean high-sec recruitment has no issues. That is quite the fallacy. Kaarous and whomever else have had little trouble are only a small sample size.

Perhaps disabling CONCORD evasion requires an NPC tax, as well as a loss of a few corp benefits. This would help keep it balanced.

Several things:
1 - screening can only get you so far. If the person is a repeat offender and you let them in, you deserve the AWOX. But someone with a clean character can AWOX just as well.
2 - Removal of the AWOXing pilot is only possible if they are docked.
3 - The Mechanic for neutral reps and boosts need to change as they are currently "untouchable" without concord intervention on their behalf.

I do not think the ability to AWOX should be removed. Or, for that matter, be a bannable offense. It would be better if the ability for green on green combat to be selectable per player. The CEO would be able to mark certain players as non-combatants such as their industrialists. The CEO would also have the ability to kick someone from corp if they were in space, however, they are not removed until 2 hours after their next log on or 2 hours after being kicked if they are currently logged in.

While there is an appeal to remove mutual combat within corps completely due to dueling to allow fit testing, it fails to allow for other forms of testing outside of dueling. Give the CEO the ability to flag someone as non-combat and they become exempt while you can have your PvP corp members test and train with each other.

This could be expanded to even allow Alliance wide combat training in High Sec without CONCORD issues by allowing them to flag members for PvP combat within the alliance against similarly flagged members.

As a whole there is a sentiment of extreme paranoia in regards to high-sec corps, especially industrial ones. While I am only a small sample size myself, I have lived in several different areas of high-sec and have found the vast majority of corps are small (<30 members) and closed for recruitment.

if you are so afraid of awoxers create an alliance with your mains corp. have an alt create a corp join mains alliance recruit into the second corp. all new players are part of your alliance but you cant shoot them.

Just to give you a ballpark for my numbers. Fifty corp entries last month alone. (not even a third of those were successful awoxes, most of them didn't have anything worth blowing up, I was on an Orca hunt)

And that's on one character. With a godawful obvious killboard and a corp history longer than most five year players. And I still kept getting into new corps.

What does that suggest to you, I ask? Since Christmas of last year, when I bought myself another account as a present, I have done this with no less than eight separate characters, one of whom had a name that was an anagram of "player killer".



Aside from neutral reps being untouchable, I think it's balanced fine just now. I have yet to hear an argument for why it's actually a problem besides tearful emotional appeals and the fallacy that it's somehow harmful to genuine newbies.

But on the other hand we have the hallmark of EVE Online, skullduggery, spying, and all round dirty deeds. Why should this all of a sudden be functionally banned in highsec?

Edited response to my post but retained the quotes to clarify who I am responding to.

because players will lazily adopt the easiest defense, i.e not recruitign new players and that is bad for the game health And that trumphs any good thing that could come form allowing corp awoxing.

Except that this has not actually happened on any scale worthy of remark. New characters don't have a problem getting into corps. So no, it does not "trump" anything.

Your argument however is based on an utter fallacy that removing the bizarre (now we have crimewatch 2.0) exception to standard rules turns highsec into an utterly PvP free zone.

So thus far, you haven't presented any argument to need trumping. Just resorted to emotive appeals based on a fabricated construct of your own imagination.

Problem: Awoxing in high-sec crops discourages corps from recruiting new players (due to trust issues, i.e. awoxers in sheep's clothing) which reduces EVE new player retention.

Proposed Solution: Remove the rule that allows corp members to kill each other without CONCORD, etc., repercussions in high-sec. Corp member on corp member combat can happen via the current dueling mechanics, so intra-corp awoxing is redundant.

No, it relies on it being CCP's design intent that you be able to infiltrate, spy on, and assassinate corporations in EVE. Skullduggery and all that.
You are suggesting removing a piece of intended gameplay to combat purely imaginary harm being done to new players. In other words, you are just trying to advance your agenda of a PvP free zone, one piece at a time.
Coming from a carebear, that is rich. I could argue easily, (and I have) that the side presenting this in the first place has no actual argument. Just an emotional appeal about new players, who engender more sympathy, in an attempt to press your agenda.
All based on the fabricated construct that somehow new players aren't able to get into corps.

People should not be fighting a twisting set of rules, this was the whole premise behind crime watch 2.0 rather than the 1.0 system which was highly confusing for everyone involved and had all sorts of little loop holes.

Either way, there are certainly exploits that need fixing in the current system, no matter which fix gets applied.

Except then we get back to twisting piles of LE timers which destroys the whole point of Crimewatch 2.0 simplifying the system.

Also there is no LE timer when shooting inside corp, which is what causes neutral logi to break. As if there was a LE timer then the logi would turn suspect.

Is it the only loophole that exists because of the inside corp mechanics.

Likely not also, which is why I am in favour of removing the inside corp exception to concord as the simplest method of fixing all possible loop holes.

*snipped* Lots of things to defend his honey pot

You're missing the entire point of this thread. The idea is a change CCP can make to increase the ease in which players can engage in social activities and get out of the NPC corps.

Lets put it this way. High Sec in an NPC corp is the highest security possible. High sec in a Player Corp is semi-low/nullish in that you can get AWOXed and War Dec'd and the aggressor has absolutely no consequence to taking this action in "High Security" space.

So how do you suppose we get players to corp up in high sec with these mechanics still in place?

Don't sacrifice the game because of "Principles". Resisting a change that will increase the health of the game because it will impact your play style is very much that.

"New Players need to HTFU"

Then go play a different game.

This is your answer to how CCP can increase new player retention?
You'd be an amazing Entrepreneur, no doubt....

If you really want to incentivize new players to get out of NPC corps

You're making the mistake of thinking that EVE actually needs the kind of "player" who so rabidly avoids what you call "free kill" (more like any percent possiblity of PvP greater than zero) mechanics.

EVE allows for and encourages non consensual PvP. It is pretty much the lynchpin of the game, one of the core design philosophies of EVE.

If that's a deal breaker for them then those people will leave eventually anyway. People like that quitting is a good thing.

No one is saying that eve needs that.

Also you are avoiding the main issue, it is not the noobs that are afraid of pvp, its the VETERANS that are in their corps and do not accept new players because they fear they might just be awoxers.

So potentially great new players are kept away from corps and get stuck into NPC or self owned single man corps that basically doom them into becoming a carebear.