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Taaii
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Posted - 2006.06.29 03:56:00 -
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Im lazy and just like to out regen rat damage so was thinking about this set up instead of the standard shield booster/amp set up.
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Launchers and stuff
-Medium-
3 x T2 Large Shield Extenders
3 x Hardeners
-Low-
2 x T2 BCU
3 x Shield Power Relay
Im sure you have noticed its an expanded ferox setup. Would this work on lvl 4 missions and belt rats (1M+)?
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Alt Troll
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Posted - 2006.06.29 05:32:00 -
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i find that for 0.0 ratting my raven works fine with an active tank and NOS. also i dont know if 3 shield power relay will mess up your cap badly enough so that you cant run 3 hardners continuously, but its a possibility
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2006.06.29 07:01:00 -
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that should work just for 0,0 rats
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.29 08:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar
Passive Tanks on BS/capital ships are the s-h-i-t-e.... Active tanks are the way to go for you sir.... You can try this Active setup which will run 24/7
I concur.
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Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2006.06.29 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taaii
Im lazy and just like to out regen rat damage so was thinking about this set up instead of the standard shield booster/amp set up.
-High-
Launchers and stuff
-Medium-
3 x T2 Large Shield Extenders
3 x Hardeners
-Low-
2 x T2 BCU
3 x Shield Power Relay
Im sure you have noticed its an expanded ferox setup. Would this work on lvl 4 missions and belt rats (1M+)?
Passive Tanks on BS/capital ships are the s-h-i-t-e.... Active tanks are the way to go for you sir.... You can try this Active setup which will run 24/7:
6x Cruise (Siege launcher II fit too!!!)
2x Heavy dim nos
2x Kin hards II
2x Therm hards II
1x Best named shield boost amp
1x Large shield Booster II
4x PDS II
1x BCS II
tanks near to 600 raw DPS with Shield recharge taken into account 
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St'oto
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Posted - 2006.06.29 08:57:00 -
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This setup will work well for any 0.0 gurista spawn, maybe serpentis, but not agaisnt angels/sanshas.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:04:00 -
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You can passive tank a raven, and the way you suggest will work.
However for anything other than basic PvE, passive tanked large ships aren't all that effective - their shield recharge isn't really all that hot to start off with, and your capacitor remains a valuable asset that... well you really don't want to be ignoring.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:55:00 -
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ôPassive Tanks on BS/capital ships are the s-h-i-t-e.... Active tanks are the way to go for you sir.... You can try this Active setup which will run 24/7:ö
ThatÆs not always true for battleships there are some real nice passive tank battleships out there. My Domi can hit 160hp+ regen sustainable though mostly I go for 140 ish with better resistance. I know setups on other battleships that hit 200+HP regen sustainable.
There are some nasty PvP setups as well that cannot be done as an active tank.
Passive shield tanking guide, click here. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.06.29 11:10:00 -
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It is true on a capital ship though.
Can get close to a 1000 DPS tank on a carrier with 85+ to all resists.
No passive can get close to that.
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Taaii
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:52:00 -
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Thats a shame. I liked my old ferox and how easy it was to maintain its shields and just park it up and sit there :)
Thanks for the advice
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:03:00 -
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Here's my half-assed NPCing passive setup. I find it works quite well.
6 siege II
1 medium nos
1 tractor beam
1 shield recharger
2 invulnerability field II
3 large shield extender II
2 shield power relays
3 PDU II's
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Sevyc
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:10:00 -
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I recently moved from a passive tanked Ferox to an active tanked Raven. I think the biggest reason you can't set up a decent passive tank on the battleships is that there is no extra large shield extender. Passive setups work because you can fit an 'oversized' shield extender on your ship. If there was an extra large shield extender that gave something like 5-6 thousand additional shield hps, then it might be viable to set up a passive tank on a battleship (20,000+ shields anyone?). That's my theory anyway.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 29/06/2006 10:28:31
ôPassive Tanks on BS/capital ships are the s-h-i-t-e.... Active tanks are the way to go for you sir.... You can try this Active setup which will run 24/7:ö
ThatÆs not always true for battleships there are some real nice passive tank battleships out there. My Domi can hit 160hp+ regen sustainable though mostly I go for 140 ish with better resistance. I know setups on other battleships that hit 200+HP regen sustainable.
There are some nasty PvP setups as well that cannot be done as an active tank.
Back to the Raven
Highs: 6 x cruise + 2 x 250mm TII
Meds: 4 x Large TII extenders + 1 Shield Recharger II + 1 x Kinetic active hardener (perhaps replace with a invul feild or diffrent hardener)
Lows: 1 x Ballistic Control + 4 x Shield Relays
Pottesey how can that ever compare with an active set up with 3BCUIIs in the lows. It will kill stuff much faster and allow you to tank equally (or probably better) for the time it takes to kill off the enemy DPS (in stages).
Also the active tank can be effective enough with 3-4 midslot mods allowing you to put AB-Sensor booster-ECM-scram-ECCM in your other two mids.
I see the point of novelty as well as boredom of tanking ok-ish and doing acceptable damage (for example you want to see the game and load FOF and just click them and go back after 5 mins to see whats happening) but in practical terms even for PVE you are A LOT more time efficient using an active tank&gank set up.
The same obiously applies to pvp where you need often to tank HUGE amounts of DPS for a very sghort time, though I take your point that a ship that doesnt use cap for either guns or tank (like your passive tank Domi) can be very effective using many NOSs and Neuts in particular circumstances...
Still, in conclusion, the passive tank belt ratting Raven sucks 
You will need 5 mins to down a single Cherubeim and they will be inexorably eating away your tank at the same time. The active tank might only last 150 secs or so with mediocre skills but in that time (with 3 bcuIIs) you have killed 2 of the Cherubeims and you are taking very little damage. Wait for your cap to regen while the poor 3rd BS is shooting of shied hp. If they are not all dead by the time your cap gets back to 40% you can start boosting again...
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korrey
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:37:00 -
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I like active.
6x Seige Launcher II
2x Med Diminishing Nos
2x Invul field 1x Large Shield Booster II
2x Specific Hardener 1x Shield Boost Amp
3x BCU 2x Shield Power Relay **
Works good for almost anything.
**(Or swapped for Cap Power Relays)
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.06.29 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
I like active.
6x Seige Launcher II
2x Med Diminishing Nos
2x Invul field 1x Large Shield Booster II
2x Specific Hardener 1x Shield Boost Amp
3x BCU 2x Shield Power Relay **
Works good for almost anything.
**(Or swapped for Cap Power Relays)
noob!!!!
shield power relays on a active.... cap power relays on a shield tank.....
HAHAHAHAHA
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.29 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 29/06/2006 15:58:19
Originally by: korrey
I like active.
6x Seige Launcher II
2x Med Diminishing Nos
2x Invul field 1x Large Shield Booster II
2x Specific Hardener 1x Shield Boost Amp
3x BCU 2x Shield Power Relay **
Works good for almost anything.
**(Or swapped for Cap Power Relays)
pduIIx2 or pduII and dcu(best named)***
In pvp 2 low slot ECCM or 1 low slot and 1 high slot ECCM might yet prove f.o.m.
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.06.29 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar
2x Kin hards II
2x Therm hards II
1x Best named shield boost amp
1x Large shield Booster II
4x PDS II
1x BCS II
tanks near to 600 raw DPS with Shield recharge taken into account
By comparison
OP's passive Raven setup
150 DPS
Passive Ferox
220 DPS
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 29/06/2006 17:39:36
Edited by: Pottsey on 29/06/2006 17:37:36
"Pottesey how can that ever compare with an active set up with 3BCUIIs in the lows."
The first poster asked if it was doable not better. Sometimes people just like a change or to try something different. Passive tanking might be weaker then some setups but its still useable and itÆs a lot cheaper. Not everyone wants or needs to go around with the best setup.
DonÆt forget you also have that large hitpoint pool so if you want you can fit 2 or 3 BCUÆs and kill the enemy without worrying about your own regen. No idea if thatÆs better or worse then an active tank as I fly a Domi with drones. But I know the high hitpoin pool over high regen works on my Domi. So I assume if the Raven is killing faster form the BCU's the high hitpoints might be all it needs.
Passive shield tanking guide, click here. |
Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:54:00 -
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Hay Pottsey, couldnt you do me a favor?
- Tell me how much damage your Domi tanks after resist taken into account
- How much shield your domi got + Recharge time
btw. for Group pvp the current pwn setup is something like...
6x Cruise
2x heavy nos
4x Racial jammers, 1 sensor booster/ECCM, 1x 20km scram
3x plates, damage control, rep (whatever that fits) /some BCU mixed in ect. ect.
Sry for derailing....
Ps. you rock Pottsey look at my Signature text lol 
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Marcus Alkhaar > so you're saying that I got the Pottsey-stamp?
Pottsey > first class stamp Collector edition.
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Taaii
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:37:00 -
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Is the active set up designed to be run with the booster running majority of the time or just there to keep shields around 40% or so?
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:00:00 -
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That really depends on who you are fighting. For example.
When you are fighting a gank fitted demios with t2 neuts and VOID ammo. The momment that first shell hits hit that shield booster you are gonna need it. (t2 XL shield booster with boost amp and 2 t2 invul field on a raven and the ammount of shield I had kept going down pretty darn quickly.)
Where as if you are tanking slightly less DPS that that monster you can pulse it to keep it around 40 % shield. Just be very very careful It can easily blow up in your face.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: korrey
I like active.
6x Seige Launcher II
2x Med Diminishing Nos
2x Invul field 1x Large Shield Booster II
2x Specific Hardener 1x Shield Boost Amp
3x BCU 2x Shield Power Relay **
Works good for almost anything.
**(Or swapped for Cap Power Relays)
Why the hell would you fit cap relays on a shield tank?
PDU IIs ffs.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:33:00 -
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I'm sure you could passive tank a Raven.
The question is why? Unless you're flying with some strange setup like 4 torps and 4 heavy neutralizers, why not use the cap for a more effective tanking setup?
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:40:00 -
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What's wrong with
6 siege
1 large booster, 2 amps, 3 invuln
2 bcu and 3 pdu
Done every Angel spawn in it, I'm sure with 4 hards 1 amp 1 booster you can do other "easier" rats with it....
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Dnol Arendale
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:42:00 -
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I'm guessing so he could walk away and go outside..lead a normal life, and still make isk? haha. But, that doesn't work because you have to reload.
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Taaii
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dnol Arendale
I'm guessing so he could walk away and go outside..lead a normal life, and still make isk? haha. But, that doesn't work because you have to reload.
Lol QFT. I loved how i could chill with my passive ferox while missioning/ratting.
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