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Moghydin	Posted - 2006.06.29 11:52:00 - [91] Edited by: Moghydin on 29/06/2006 11:52:37 OMG, this thread attracts so many trolls To the OP, Eve is an extension of RL, as in RL money gives you all sorts of advantage, so it extends to Eve. This sucks. But it's the nature of things. The whole RL society evolves around money, and no MMORPG operates in vacuum by perfect ppl. Ppl will use any resource they have available to get advantage over you both in Eve and in RL. Can we stop that? Probably no. So, although i think that you are right, your complain won't get you anywhere.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.29 11:54:00 - [92] Originally by: Nev Clavain Originally by: CCP Hammer This thread is awesome. Setting a great example by adding a constructive point to this thread. I'm surprised the entire dev team isnt too busy to post here, what with all the verious bugs the game has, oh and the time it takes to get a petition answered, oh and with all the other bits of the game you havent yet made available for real life currency. Way to look like you're hard at work. Perhaps if you were to post some pictures of Oveur drunk, and then a short post about his bad health - you might round off this PR coup beautifully. :P He's at home dip****. It takes all sorts to make the world go round, but I'm 100% sure the world of eve would still go round without the likes of you.
cytomatrix	Posted - 2006.06.29 11:57:00 - [93] Originally by: CCP Hammer This thread is awesome. lol. Yea CCP is gonna start doing charity work soon.
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:03:00 - [94] Edited by: Nira Li on 29/06/2006 12:05:57 Edited by: Nira Li on 29/06/2006 12:02:59 Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Ok migaarenso answer this please: Should CCP ban TS beacuse some ppl are deaf? Deafnis is part of your personalety. Its the only thing witch makes the diference in the game. I consider it fair if sombody is limeted due to his state in witch he/sche was born. If you dont agree, we should make everybody a fool to equal out the clever and the stupit. For thise reason, TS should be allowed regarding deaf peaple. 1) I am deaf + In PVP I would have no chance against ppl who use TS = Unfair 2) I can't afford a 2nd account + I would not make as much isk as other Industrialists = Unfair The differense please? I don't buy that being deaf is part of your personality and being poor is not. It's up to you to either get more money in rl or use the in game mechanics to gain a 2nd account if you want one. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:05:00 - [95] The difference, the OP isn't deaf, he's just **** poor. So why should he care about the deaf people.
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:09:00 - [96] Edited by: Nira Li on 29/06/2006 12:09:42 Originally by: Gariuys The difference, the OP isn't deaf, he's just **** poor. So why should he care about the deaf people. I want him to understand that just because he got a dissadvantage in rl, the game can't change. He has too. And if he can't, well.. don't play the game if you don't like it. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Whatshername	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:10:00 - [97] I have two accounts because when I created the first one my RL friends that played were all uber-hard long term players, and I had no desire to join them in 0.0 space with 30k sp. I then found a great corp/alliance and have been having great fun with them, even though most of them are on the wrong side of the pond. I created the second account when the nagging of some of my other RL friends payed off and they created eve accounts, and one of my more experienced friends created a corp for us. This way I have the best of both worlds. I play each account separately, but if other people want to pay double money to be able to mine quicker then that's fair enough. I hate to play the adult card here but I spend more money on washing up liquid and kitchen towels than I do on Eve. Having a bit of a disposable income to play 2 accounts is one of the perks of being the person that pays the electricity/broadband bill.
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:11:00 - [98] Edited by: migaaresno on 29/06/2006 12:12:03 Edited by: migaaresno on 29/06/2006 12:11:30 Originally by: spurious signal The problem is that you have a very one-sided understanding of what is fair and what isn't. EVE isn't fair. Everyone is not on the same level playing field. There are countless examples of this that have already been posted in this thread. I'll list a few here and add one of my own for good measure: 1) Some people can afford a better PC than others. That gives them an advantage. Not fair. i agree, not fair. Originally by: spurious signal 2) Some people can play longer than others. Unfair. i agree, not fair. Originally by: spurious signal 3) Some people win BPOs in the T2 lottery. Others don't. Unfair. i agree, not fair. Originally by: spurious signal 4) Some people are deaf and thus can't use TeamSpeak. Unfair. i agre, not fair. Originally by: spurious signal 5) Some people have children at home that distract them from EVE so they can't concentrate as well as childless people. Unfair. i agree, not fair. Originally by: spurious signal 6) Some people are better than others at EVE. Unfair. i disagree, They are better becouse they learned the game. Everybody can learn the game. personalety and everything witch has to do whit yourself are the only out of game influence witch i consider "fair". The other points i totally agree, but they are not linked to the fairnis i talked about multi accounts. They are fairnis of the world or fairnis in the game itself. Those have nothing to do whit fairnis of playing the game. Originally by: spurious signal The last one is importain I have 2 accounts. I play them together. I run missions, one account tanking, one remote-shield boosting and picking up cans. It means I can do missions that I couldn't easily do with one account. The pink text is proof why we should dis-allow multi accounts. Originally by: spurious signal Last week while I was missioning I got jumped by a pirate who'd used probes to find me. He killed both ships, a Raven and a Dominix. He beat me. He only had 1 character, 1 account. To top it off his character was about half the age of both of my 2 and was in a ship that probably cost less than half the total cost of my 2 ships. He beat me not because of outside advantages or more Real Life money but simply because he was better at pvp than me. Unfair? No, that's the way it should be. I tipped my hat to him, congratulated him on his skills and his loot and went about my way having learned a number of useful lessons (and had fun at the same time). You are comparing your abilety to run missions whit a pvp encounter. Its like comparing baby whit a adult. the baby can slip trough that small hole in the wall, while the adult gets truck in it. Does thise automaticly mean whe baby is superior? Originally by: spurious signal Your arguments are nothing to do with fairness but purely about your own sense of inadequacy and your own unwillingness or inability to understand what EVE is about. Change your attitude or find a different game to play, I'd suggest an offline, single-player one. Its easy to blame a other somthing, but its the trick to prove it. Prove my arguments wrong. Give your best post! im ready for it!
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:15:00 - [99] Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 29/06/2006 10:41:16 The funny part is the question: why do you pick multiple accounts to complain abaout ? The example I gave earlier is just as valid: some people can spedn more time playing their single account then I can playing my double ones, even if you count both of them !. Since time = money (and yes, time potentially is money yes), what is the difference between me playing two accounts for two hours each and you playing one for 4 hours ? (Aside from details like ingame efficiency etc.). Isn't that theoretically more fair then not allowing me the second account even if i can only play half the time due to outside influences ? But, what If I played three hours on both sekritly evil grin ? OMG BANZOR ! Exactly, you cannot enforce it, fairness is not enforceable. Imagine CCP giving you 20m at startup and me 40m just because your IQ was 0.7 point higher when they tested you on signup. And imagine they tell you upfront every day how much you are allowed to play using your one account so that you conform to the server-average ingame time. Imagine them telling you that you now must stop during pvp to take a pee-break since the server average indicates you are twenty-seven minutes late on your last one and not taking it would therefore give you an unfair advantage ... If you enjoy that, ask CCP to start a political correctness sevrer for you, but if they don't, please don't pollute my gameplay with your ridiculous standards of so called "fairness". Money is not the only outside factor to influence gameplay, it would be unfair (rofl), to regulate the effect of money on gameplay beyond reason when you cannot regulate the effects of other OOG influences, like gender, intelligence, social skills, education, refelexes, health, location, connection, pc, romantic status, dependability of a power supply and yes, preference for and availability of brands of beer in your region. Rod for Handicapper General
F'nog	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:17:00 - [101] BAN THEM ALL! I say. Especially all the people who used the Power of 2. That'll teach them not to use CCP-sanctioned offers. Originally by: Panzer Goddess I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
mrg29	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:17:00 - [102] i'm fairly sure the OP started this exact same thread a few months ago. looks like he hasn't learned anything in the intervening period. i have 2 accounts. i very rarely if ever play both at once due to PC limitations. that means in my available time, using one character at a time, i have to generate sufficient isk to pay for 2 sets of skillbooks and 2 sets of ships and mods. therefore i am at a disadvantage over someone who only plays one account as they only have to buy one set. -
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:27:00 - [103] Originally by: Rod Blaine No it's not a valid argument. Witch argument? its getting a bit a mess. please quote me on my arguments. Originally by: Rod Blaine I can't compete with a smarter user, a multi-user, a more social user that has more friends, a user that has more time, a user that has better reflexes, a user that is quicker to make decisions, a user that hasn't got one blind eye, a user that hasn't got a nagging wife, a user that hasn't got a smallish bladder, a user that hasn't got a dog to walk every few hours, nor with a user that can get stella at his local shop. Most of the things you said are part of yourself, your personalety. the thing that make the the diferance of actions you make ingame. if we make all personaleties equal, we would be playing a game were every person is the same. In sports like football, Its not considered unfair to have better reflexes or predict were the ball is falling. That is why thise should be the only out of game influence witch may influence your in-game charecter. Originally by: Rod Blaine Or wait, maybe they shouldn't, maybe you should ? Or maybe we should just live witht he fact that fairness is an impossibility and leave it at that seeing how this is a game after all. Certain fairnis is indeed impossible. Like some of the suggestions who are said earlier about making EVE time delay for dial uppers.

Ivan Kirilenkov	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:28:00 - [104] Thread cleaned, please keep it civil and constructive even if you strongly disagree with the others in the thread.

migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:29:00 - [105] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. PEEP!! FALSE!! Sorry but you diddent won the multi million ISK question. Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over.
Biltic Creen	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:29:00 - [106] Edited by: Biltic Creen on 29/06/2006 12:29:58 Originally by: migaaresno Its easy to blame a other somthing, but its the trick to prove it. Prove my arguments wrong. Give your best post! im ready for it! Well you asked for it: You are wrong because everybody is allowed to have more than one account. ______________________________ This post is not my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single eve-player.
Biltic Creen	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:32:00 - [107] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. PEEP!! FALSE!! Sorry but you diddent won the multi million ISK question. Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over. Well bad luck i would say In other words: You are whining about the people that are wealthier than you ? ______________________________ This post is not my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single eve-player.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:32:00 - [108] Originally by: CCP Hammer This thread is awesome. Ban the Devs! They have multiple accounts! I demand something be done!one11!eleventy!2
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Biltic Creen Edited by: Biltic Creen on 29/06/2006 12:29:58 Originally by: migaaresno Its easy to blame a other somthing, but its the trick to prove it. Prove my arguments wrong. Give your best post! im ready for it! Well you asked for it: You are wrong because everybody is allowed to have more than one account. Untill it is proven otherwise. I have proven otherwise, I said why we should remove the abilety to have more accounts in first post. Not heard a final uncounterble argument witch voids all my arguments yet.
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:32:00 - [110] Edited by: Nira Li on 29/06/2006 12:34:15 Originally by: migaaresno Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over. Then you mine/npc/missions/pirating till you can afford to buy a Game Time Card to pay your 2nd account with. If you say you can't spend that much rl time, it wouldn't be usefull for you to have a 2nd account You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Biltic Creen Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. PEEP!! FALSE!! Sorry but you diddent won the multi million ISK question. Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over. Well bad luck i would say In other words: You are whining about the people that are wealthier than you ? No, i dont care if they are rich in real life. as long as theydont spoil my in-game fun.
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:35:00 - [112] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Biltic Creen Edited by: Biltic Creen on 29/06/2006 12:29:58 Originally by: migaaresno Its easy to blame a other somthing, but its the trick to prove it. Prove my arguments wrong. Give your best post! im ready for it! Well you asked for it: You are wrong because everybody is allowed to have more than one account. Untill it is proven otherwise. I have proven otherwise, I said why we should remove the abilety to have more accounts in first post. Not heard a final uncounterble argument witch voids all my arguments yet. I've edited my latest post, look a few posts up You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:35:00 - [113] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. PEEP!! FALSE!! Sorry but you diddent won the multi million ISK question. Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over. LOL, you are good though... do you want CCP to bring you breakfast as well?
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:36:00 - [114] Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:36:00 - [115] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Biltic Creen Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno Give your best post! im ready for it! Ok here we go. Everyone CAN get more than one account. It's up too YOU how you obtain it. Therefore it is not unfair to have multiple accounts. PEEP!! FALSE!! Sorry but you diddent won the multi million ISK question. Im currectly broke. i can only pay 1 account. show me a way to get another account whitout altering real life and thise descussion is over. Well bad luck i would say In other words: You are whining about the people that are wealthier than you ? No, i dont care if they are rich in real life. as long as theydont spoil my in-game fun. Hey, knowing I'm spoiling your fun... made owning more then 1 account a lot more fun for me... so you can't actually get richer, or it would spoil my fun.... you're fecked.
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:37:00 - [116] Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno The rant Ok I'm just gonna say this once. Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair. Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid. What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get? Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy?
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:38:00 - [117] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno The rant Ok I'm just gonna say this once. Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair. Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid. What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get? Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy? I'm sorry if I offended you, looks like my post wasn't edited this is what it was supposed to say: If you are broke: Then you mine/npc/missions/pirating till you can afford to buy a Game Time Card with your isk to pay your 2nd account with. If you say you can't spend that much rl time, it wouldn't be usefull for you to have a 2nd account You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:39:00 - [118] Originally by: migaaresno Originally by: Nira Li Originally by: migaaresno The rant Ok I'm just gonna say this once. Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair. Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid. What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get? Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy? Cause earning 10 bucks a month is something anyone could do in say 1 hour a week, at most?
migaaresno	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:40:00 - [119] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you? They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore. Evil hu?
Biltic Creen	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:41:00 - [120] Originally by: migaaresno No, i dont care if they are rich in real life. as long as theydont spoil my in-game fun. Well than i demand that you downgrade your PC, cause i only have an old Athlon 600 with a Riva TNT and can run Eve only with 2 FPS. I¦m broke and can't get a new one In case we would meet in PvP, it would spoil my fun if you had a better PC

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