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Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:46:00 - [1] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/1mRjW2N.jpg GO TO THAT LINK. In before: "If this change is implemented on a certain day, then something will have changed from the previous day on the day on which the change took place, therefore: Bad." (Read: I'm autistic, and cannot handle change of any kind, unless I didn't know the change was coming, or I knew at least 3 months in advance that a change was coming, or "I'm a forum troll who never logs in, except when I do, just to spin my ship, and I fully support any change which, with my vocal forum support, will make me look like a hardcore EVE gamer/manly man with huge muscles and a very large ***** and balls and I will unfailingly flame any idea that gives a player more options, more security, more content, etc...") Also in before: "Oh, great make it another WOW clone." Because WOW has a market in which players can buy and sell. So does EVE, which, obviously, makes EVE a WOW clone. Also, in WOW, players have avatars, just as they do in EVE, which means, yea, you guessed it: EVE is a WOW clone. Also, WOW has a in-game currency. So does EVE, therefore: WOW clone. Because any idea to add anything into EVE that is in WOW, or anything remotely similar to WOW, means that EVE is being made into a WOW clone. Also, WOW clone. because I can type WOW clone. And whenever I do, I win every argument instantly. No matter what the topic. It's a great tool I use when discussing abortion rights, whether or not to raise the minimum wage, etc. I just approach the person, get as close to their face as possible, and shout at the top of my lungs: WOW clone. Then, I pull a microphone out of my ass, drop it, and walk away. Works every time. EVE needs new players, but no new players want to play EVE because they know it will be at least 3 months before they're viable at anything. And presently, there's not a damn thing they can do about it. If you received skill points to spend by doing missions, it would be an incentive to actually undock and do something, probabl y with other players (which CCP may actually not want people to do, because managing the servers when everyone is sitting in a station and chat room is probably a lot easier) and they get a faster pathway to do what they want and do it better. Thank you. Also, not once did I say remove time training. Do this in addition to time training.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 7824	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:59:00 - [2] - Quote Reported for closure. Don't repost the same crap that got locked the first time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 2318	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:20:00 - [3] - Quote Well gosh. I spent so much time reading OP's extremely long-winded "let me make myself look like a complete *******" speech that I forgot to go to his silly link.
Dave Stark 6591	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:22:00 - [4] - Quote this idea is that bad, i can't actually form a coherent response due to how stunned i am that an idea this bad is seriously being considered by anyone. i mean, if nothing else it runs face first in to malcanis' law.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5714	Posted - 2014.07.13 06:20:00 - [5] - Quote One of, if not the, greatest thing about EVE is that there is no "XP grind." In addition (copy pasting from an old thread) - it will encourage grinding (you are currently not forced to grind up anything in EVE except for standings... even ISK can be gained quite easily if you know what to do). - "active training" rewards certain "tangible" gameplay while completely ignoring "intangible" gameplay (in this case, mission runners. It does not reward corp leaders, spies, logistics, managers, scouts, or anyone else who does not do missions). - if you make the amount of SP gained per mission too small... it will not be worthwhile to even code in. - if you make the amount of SP gained high enough... it will become a tangible enough advantage that it becomes "mandatory" to grind up skills... otherwise you'll be "left behind." ------- this means people will be more preoccupied with getting "max skills" rather than actually playing the actual game (whatever that means for each particular person). - Malcanis' Law: Anything done for the benefit of younger, poorer players will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer players. edit: as for "waiting for 3 months"... utter lies. You do not need to "wait" to try anything in EVE. Just go out and do it. Even with terrible skills. You may fall on your face while doing it... but you are doing it nonetheless... and failing on your face early in the game is rather the point behind the system itself (so you learn what not to do and rise to the challenge of finding a way to get around it). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 452	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:02:00 - [6] - Quote do you ,op, have anything to hook up non-mission runners to you know....have this standout from the other times its been brought up. Or were you just wating to see how many bites this gets before lock since you lack the creativity to find new bait. Not eveyone in eve runs missions. Even low sp noobs. Some spam sites, mine, go industrial side working hauling/buidling. Basically no agent saying here is some sp for you. As there is no agent. And before you answer yes to a solution for non-mission runners if you have one.....can your solution NOT be abused to death.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2806	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:20:00 - [7] - Quote I live in deep Nullsec. there are no missions here for me to run. Your idea would force me to leave nullsec and move to highsec in order to stay competitive. That's bad.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 195	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:23:00 - [8] - Quote See, player corps are no barrier to shiptoasting
Dave Stark 6595	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:27:00 - [9] - Quote afkalt wrote: See, player corps are no barrier to shiptoasting no, but you can wardec a player corp for their terrible shiptoasting.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 195	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:30:00 - [10] - Quote I live in null, wardecs have no meaning to me so I rarely consider them an effective threat. Actually I tend to forget they exist. Anyway point being, wardec 'threat' is only going to affect a small subset.
Vurt Konne Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:56:00 - [11] - Quote In after: He, who is not of my opinion, has to be an autistic. Also in after: I have no job. I have no life. At least I want to be the roxxxor in eve. People seem to undock and run missions. So I guess, there is incentive to do that already. No need for xp-grind. Proposition rejected.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1360	Posted - 2014.07.13 08:19:00 - [12] - Quote No. Now biomass. The Tears Must Flow
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 09:49:00 - [13] - Quote - "active training" rewards certain "tangible" gameplay while completely ignoring "intangible" gameplay (in this case, mission runners. It does not reward corp leaders, spies, logistics, managers, scouts, or anyone else who does not do missions). Who cares? People who do incursions make more ISK than players who don't. People who play the market make more ISk than players who don't. People who sub instead of PLEX probably make more ISk than players who don't. Are you saying every player is equal in all things to every other player. THEY AREN'T, so why act like they are? - if you make the amount of SP gained high enough... it will become a tangible enough advantage that it becomes "mandatory" to grind up skills... otherwise you'll be "left behind." ------- this means people will be more preoccupied with getting "max skills" rather than actually playing the actual game (whatever that means for each particular person). Already newer players are "left behind" compared to older players, but every older player wants it that way. They, and you, obviously, don't want to allow ANYTHING which might make a younger player catch up to you, because you're short-sighted, greedy, and ignorant. - Malcanis' Law: Anything done for the benefit of younger, poorer players will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer players. Good for them.
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:01:00 - [14] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: I live in deep Nullsec. there are no missions here for me to run. Your idea would force me to leave nullsec and move to highsec in order to stay competitive. That's bad. You make more ISK in nullsec than I do in hi-sec. Is that bad? Oh, of course not! Because it benefits you! But we must poopoo ANYTHING that will benefit a player other than ourselves, right? Thank god you people aren't in charge of making MMOs.
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:02:00 - [15] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: No. Now biomass. So brave.
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:06:00 - [16] - Quote Zan Shiro wrote: do you ,op, have anything to hook up non-mission runners to you know....have this standout from the other times its been brought up. Or were you just wating to see how many bites this gets before lock since you lack the creativity to find new bait. Not eveyone in eve runs missions. Even low sp noobs. Some spam sites, mine, go industrial side working hauling/buidling. Basically no agent saying here is some sp for you. As there is no agent. And before you answer yes to a solution for non-mission runners if you have one.....can your solution NOT be abused to death. Basically what you're saying is "I don't do missions, so I don't want missions to be worth doing." There's a lot of things I don't do in game, and I don't get the rewards for doing them in game. I don't play the market, so I don't make a lot of ISK that way. I don't do incursions, so I don't make a lot of ISK that way. I don't live in nullsec, so I don't make ISK that way. I don't do industry, so I don't make ISK that way. Does this make me think that all of those things shouldn't be in game because I happen to not use them to make ISK? No, because I'm not a dumbass. I understand that certain rewards come from certain actions. That every EVE player is not equal, and never has been, and never will be, so I don't pretend that they are.
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:09:00 - [17] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Reported for closure. Don't repost the same crap that got locked the first time. You mean that thread that was randomly locked for no reason by some Barney Fife mod? Some mod who probably just read the title, and locked it? Who may not even know how to read? That power tripping mod? Ok.
Goti fase Faulcon de Lazy 39	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:47:00 - [18] - Quote I reckon if the sp mission reward thing was implemented as a set of tutorial missions that are one time only it could be made to work.
Goti fase Faulcon de Lazy 39	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:48:00 - [19] - Quote I reckon if the sp mission reward thing was implemented as a set of tutorial missions that are one time only it could be made to work.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Hello-There 612	Posted - 2014.07.13 11:10:00 - [20] - Quote How exactly would those players who do not want to mission gain sp with this proposal? I hit anomolies, mine, manufacture, invent, explore and trade. None of these activities involve missions which bore me (other than the storyline ones). Would a plyer like myself now have to run missions to gain skills? Ed: i just noticed the last line of the op that I didn't see before (guess i read before it was edited in) so i will clarify. Why should a player who partakes of one element i.e. missions gain sp faster than a player like myself who enjoys at least six other elements of the game? By that logic I should be gaining six times the sp bonus that the missioner does. Not a good idea...
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 1908	Posted - 2014.07.13 11:24:00 - [21] - Quote I clicked on that link. That is the single worst idea I have ever seen on F&I. I gotta congratulate you, because that's a goddam achievement. Of all the festering **** ideas that permeate these boards like an overflowing clogged toilet on all-you-can-eat burrito tuesday, your floating brown loaf of an idea floats to the top. Truly an achievement. The moderator that locked your original post did you a favor. There's a reason re-opening locked threads is against the rules.
Samillian Angry Mustellid Overload Everything 573	Posted - 2014.07.13 11:26:00 - [22] - Quote EvE's skill system is reasonably fair and as far as I know cannot be exploited but you are proposing tying it into an easily botable activity. Not only making it very easily exploitable but also ensuring those of us who cannot stomach EvE's PvE content any more are either forced into doing it or are penalized for not doing so. How is creating SP farming in any way approaching a good idea? Many things may need to be fixed and adjusted in this game the way we gain SP isn't one of them. Not supported. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 487	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:22:00 - [23] - Quote Sweet Jeebus on a stick did this thread really just happen?.... The amount of SP you expect to be rewarded is kind of hilarious too. Knock it down to about 5% of that if you want to sound reasonable. OP.... How many other games do you play that let you do whatever the hell you want to have fun while "grinding"? SP gain isn't linked to anything else in the game. Only SP loss occurs by activities you choose to do such as not upgrading your medical clone and dying or flying a T3 and dying. You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day.... None of your time needs to be invested in menial tasks for the sake of a goddamn arbitrary number. How many other MMO's let you do that? How many other MMO's respect you as a human being and give you the option to do something more rewarding with your time, which I'm sure you value quite highly, than mind-fistingly redundant treadmill tasks? Do you like being treated like a donkey? Is having the promise of a carrot (there is no reward in a progression table, it's a ***** ruse.) offered to you for menial labor more rewarding than achieving goals you set for yourself as an individual? There isn't even a cap on progression. You can progress for free, indefinitely.** CCP gives you the service of leveling up your character when you pay them your monthly fee, so that you can spend your time enjoying the game. You paid for this benefit that, so far as I know, is not offered by any other MMO because they want you logged in for as many hours a day as possible. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2790	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:30:00 - [24] - Quote NGGGeah! No. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:31:00 - [25] - Quote Bohneik Itohn wrote: You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day.... You can progress for free, indefinitely. Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free. Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:34:00 - [26] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: How exactly would those players who do not want to mission gain sp with this proposal? I hit anomolies, mine, manufacture, invent, explore and trade. None of these activities involve missions which bore me (other than the storyline ones). Would a plyer like myself now have to run missions to gain skills? Ed: i just noticed the last line of the op that I didn't see before (guess i read before it was edited in) so i will clarify. Why should a player who partakes of one element i.e. missions gain sp faster than a player like myself who enjoys at least six other elements of the game? By that logic I should be gaining six times the sp bonus that the missioner does. Not a good idea... The same way players who don't do FW get hundres of thousands of LP. They don't. The same way players don't mine all day in null-sec systems get billions worth of ore. They don't. The same way players who don't manufacture capitals get to sell them to other players for billions of isk. They don't. The same way people who don't use the margin trading scams make millions off new players. They don't. Welcome to reality. Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 487	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:40:00 - [27] - Quote Maximum Entropy wrote: Bohneik Itohn wrote: You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day.... You can progress for free, indefinitely. Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free. You pay for access to the servers. That's the only thing you get for your subscription in any MMO. Anything beyond that is gratis. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 201	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:52:00 - [28] - Quote Absolutely silly thread... ISD must be on a birthday party or something or enjoy a good cold one while watching this and warming up the hammer. Cheers mates wave - Gonna fire up the grill too. And to the OP, you realize, that if you have everything all the time without doing anything that there is no progression at all ? Don't try to argue with people that have some idea about what they are actually talking about. Are you just making stuff up now because you feel backed in a corner ? Understandable psychological behavior, but come on, we are not in the 2nd grade school yard. All I see are ad hominum attacks, arguments from ignorance, from personal experience and strawman fallacies, probably could check for some more if you like. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:54:00 - [29] - Quote Bohneik Itohn wrote: Maximum Entropy wrote: Bohneik Itohn wrote: You get to level up for free, 24 hours a day.... You can progress for free, indefinitely. Wrong, and wrong. Did you bold this to show how wrong you were? The game is not free to play, it either costs money, or grinding ISK in game in order to play. (And it is GRINDING.) And you cannot progress for free, because progression requires (eventually) HUGE amounts of ISK, and time. And neither are free. You pay for access to the servers. That's the only thing you get for your subscription in any MMO. Anything beyond that is gratis. Yea, no. I could "ping" the servers for network "access." You pay to play the game, which is why CCP employs GMs, to make sure that can happen. Man I wish EVE forum users had even a modicum of intelligence. Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Bohneik Itohn Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates 488	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:02:00 - [30] - Quote Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Absolutely silly thread... ISD must be on a birthday party or something or enjoy a good cold one while watching this and warming up the hammer. Cheers mates wave - Gonna fire up the grill too. And to the OP, you realize, that if you have everything all the time without doing anything that there is no progression at all ? Don't try to argue with people that have some idea about what they are actually talking about. Are you just making stuff up now because you feel backed in a corner ? Understandable psychological behavior, but come on, we are not in the 2nd grade school yard. All I see are ad hominum attacks, arguments from ignorance, from personal experience and strawman fallacies, probably could check for some more if you like. I mostly do it just to put emphasis on how bad an idea is. You know, just in case anyone decides to use the search function to find any relevant threads to read them over and get a full perspective of all sides of the discussion before posting. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2790	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:06:00 - [31] - Quote Maximum Entropy wrote: Man I wish EVE forum users had even a modicum of intelligence. the irony of this scentance...oh my...i dont think.....no "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Kaerakh Surprisingly Deep Hole 384	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:11:00 - [32] - Quote Maximum Entropy wrote: -snip- I really don't have to change a thing in this post for you. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper - The Fate of Forum Alts - Click me! Click me!
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 201	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:15:00 - [33] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why. Oh no, You brought Doreen into this ... and I tried to avoid it so hard. (@dit: I saw what you did there - you sleeky sneaky editor) And the reply of 'I can ping the server any time' as a counter argument to 'that you pay for the server access' being false is a new monument of the Mount Olympus of troll mentality and 'I haz zhe lasd w+¦rd' Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?!
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1798	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:55:00 - [34] - Quote Pretty obvious no. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Karak Bol Low-Sec Survival Ltd. 192	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:06:00 - [35] - Quote This idea was now posted about 500 times and its still horrible. You say that missions should be the only way to grind SP? Seriously? I am trading and training newbies, when not FCing or herding my cats (corpmember). So you should be SP rewarded for your useless Missionrunning, where no one else in the community has an improvement of live, while someone like me who sacrifices his Eve time willingly so that other people can have fun will get nothing? Seriously? Dumb idea, zero points, sit down.
Komi Toran Paragon Trust The Bastion 132	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:11:00 - [36] - Quote OP, in the future, please post these ideas in the proper thread.
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:12:00 - [37] - Quote Karak Bol wrote: This idea was now posted about 500 times and its still horrible. You say that missions should be the only way to grind SP? Seriously? I am trading and training newbies, when not FCing or herding my cats (corpmember). So you should be SP rewarded for your useless Missionrunning, where no one else in the community has an improvement of live, while someone like me who sacrifices his Eve time willingly so that other people can have fun will get nothing? Seriously? Dumb idea, zero points, sit down. Learn to read. I'm not advocating taking away timed training. But you got your +1 post so I guess that's all that matters. Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Maximum Entropy Entropic Principal 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:16:00 - [38] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: Maximum Entropy wrote: -snip- This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why. I've read every single one of those reasons. They're all completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason not to do this. I'm not saying take away timed training. I'm saying add more options for advancement, which is going to KEEP NEW PLAYERS SUBBED AND PLAYING. I realize that forum users don't give a **** about whether or not new players keep playing. But I play the game, not the forums, so I do care. CCP makes money from more subs, so they care. Why is the total number of "likes received" a poster has inversely proportional to the quality of posts one makes?
Da Dom Wii R 90	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:35:00 - [39] - Quote Maximum Entropy wrote: Kaerakh wrote: Maximum Entropy wrote: -snip- This is not a new idea. There are a slew of reasons why this is not done and others have already iterated on those reasons for why. I've read every single one of those reasons. They're all completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason not to do this. I'm not saying take away timed training. I'm saying add more options for advancement, which is going to KEEP NEW PLAYERS SUBBED AND PLAYING. I realize that forum users don't give a **** about whether or not new players keep playing. But I play the game, not the forums, so I do care. CCP makes money from more subs, so they care. I was a new player once and I am still going to say no Reason: Its completely wrong, illogical, nonfactual, inconsistent, or just plan stupid. I have yet to be provided with a good reason to do this (see how silly I look saying that ) :)(:

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1860	Posted - 2014.07.13 16:23:00 - [40] - Quote ...Must...refrain...from...... Ok, where were we, oh yes: Thread locked. The Rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited. The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 25. Re-opening locked topics is prohibited. Recreating or re-opening a thread that has been closed by a moderator is prohibited. Threads that have been closed by a moderator have been closed for the benefit of the community. Re-opening a locked thread will result in its removal. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


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