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Ardannes
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Posted - 2006.07.05 01:47:00 -
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I applaude you cally, most wouldnt have the courage to make a post like that.
But I must say, well put forward
Im sorry to say tho cally that our corp actually tested your bank a few weeks back.
Combined our members had almost 22 billion in current accounts and the corp wallet had over 42 billion.
(yes im posting with an alt as to protect our interests, but guess cally is going to know now :P)
We did a mass withdrawal. And guess what..
We got all our isk with no problems, apart from the 3 hour wait we had for you to come online :)
If there is one gripe I have with your bank its the lack of staff you have, altho im aware you have got a few more tellers employed now which is good.
As far as im concerned cally you have our confidence. Looking forward to future bank developments :)
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.07.05 02:15:00 -
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great read ;p
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NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Krane Albright
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Posted - 2006.07.05 04:59:00 -
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What a great story! Wonder how soon it will be forgotten though since he didn't use these forums to build up his reputation ...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:26:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: MOOstradamus
Currin Trading
It's a really nice reading and he is even bashing the forum warriors, who not fail to link his story swiftly -- what a irony.
Whether it is reciprocated or not, I have respect for the scam he pulled. How he justifies bashing the "forum superstars" simply because we were the ones who saw through the scam is a bit hypocritical though. The whole article is written as though the victims were the smart ones and those that were openly sceptical are stupid. 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: MOOstradamus
Currin Trading
It's a really nice reading and he is even bashing the forum warriors, who not fail to link his story swiftly -- what a irony.
Whether it is reciprocated or not, I have respect for the scam he pulled. How he justifies bashing the "forum superstars" simply because we were the ones who saw through the scam is a bit hypocritical though. The whole article is written as though the victims were the smart ones and those that were openly sceptical are stupid.
Well of course.
Evil geniuses don't like those who see straight through their evil plans 
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
gfldex
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:58:00 -
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Isn't it incredible? You can even roleplay a scammed investor in EVE! What other game can give you so many options.
/me tries to hug CCP but fails because he can't reach over to iceland
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$ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Mr M
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:19:00 -
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Currin Trading
If you're reading this please contact me for an interview. You ca find contact info here.
EVEgeek | EVE Tribune |
Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 10:37:00 -
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Well I did some quick sums...
Curren's take is enough to buy a 2003 Ford Focus 2.0.
If the bank chick closes shop today she can buy herself 2 almost almost 3x 2003 Porche 911 Carrera 4 (996)s
Hats off to you both! And ofcourse GHSC! It's this freedom in Eve that keeps me here.
It's truly inspiring! No offence intended or anything bad. I'm simply amazed at what can be achieved in Eve!
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Velsharoon on 05/07/2006 15:59:09
Ahhh double post :(
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.07.05 15:59:00 -
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Owned
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Aria Minasa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:05:00 -
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I think currin is a bit egotystical to think that this is "going to put an end to all scams". That makes him just full of himself. He's just as bad as a macrominer or someone who pays 25 dollars off ebay to get 200M isk. He's just a punk gamer who wants everything at once. In the end people are going to read this and say wow i can get rich to if I rip off my friends. If anything, this story is going to just make things worse. All i can say is, this only directly effected the people in this situation. Now I just don't trust anyone. Friend or Foo with my ISK or things.
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Aria Minasa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Aria Minasa
<--- was due on 6/26...
Have you found out if its a boy or a girl yet?
I think its a female Jovian. I could be wrong though. Just a gut feeling.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:29:00 -
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nicely done - 30b is nothing too special, but you probably did somewhat more then me in that time, with a lot less work.
As for EIB - im glad Cally decided to keep "the scam" going for a while, i would have lost 15-20b (depending on how you value a certain t2 BPO) otherwise ;)
Something of interest: Its "easy" to scam thousands or even millions out of gullible fools, just by saying "trust me" - its "easy" to sneak up to someone and break his skull with a hammer, and it might be "easy" to run away to some distant place, or never get caught otherwise.
But doing so in the broad daylight - all the while being considered "Honorable citizen" / president / radiant example for others - real life tells us that this seems to have an appeal beyond the calling of a couple billion ISK ;)
Anyway currin - try to be paranoid about your RL identity - eve is serious for many people (even without Real value attached to ISK).
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Aria Minasa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 16:41:00 -
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So true. If i were happening along and met this person and we started talking about EVE. Then "he" was like yea i scammed 30 billion out of people. I will break his knees with a sledge hammer. Even if it wasn't Currin. 
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Dread Blah
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:04:00 -
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Maybe Currin was an alt of Cally 
I have always had a weakness for conspiracy theories ...
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Khanias
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:10:00 -
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I doubt Currin Trading scammed 30 billion, sure they were a scam but this reeks of hyperbole.
Not to mention, anybody else notice the format, writing style and length is almost IDENTICAL to that fake scam story.(which I wont link to because that seems to kill threads but you all know what Im talking about, go look at it, its identical to this one)
I think the guy behind Currin Trading wanted to beat the GHSC record and now he says he did but all we have is his word, his very trustworthy word... lol.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
nicely done - 30b is nothing too special, but you probably did somewhat more then me in that time, with a lot less work.
it is not the 30billion alone, besides i know people that have pulled such profit in a matter of minutes over corp arguments..
it is the fact it was scammed, and the process behind it.
******* amazing job
fantastic read, very well spoken.
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Ardannes
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:37:00 -
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All this seems to me as an attack on the EIB for reasons unknown.
Time after time, the banks motives and its integrity has been questioned... Cally has always answered honestly and thoroughly.
Ive always found the EIB to be an honest corp, regardless of some of the teething problems they have had in their early days. But lets face it, which corps out there haven't had problems?
I think callys post about "could be a scam" was nothing more than sarcism through an through, and I found it quite honorable that the subject of one scammers claims and that of many of the comunity can come forward and say something as bold.
I expect he/she sees these posts and conspiracy theories as humor now more than anything as if she was intending to scam im sure it would have been done by now, or there would be far more evidence suggesting it.
The publicity probably does more good for the EIB than it does harm :)
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Aria Minasa
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Posted - 2006.07.05 17:46:00 -
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I lost 1/2 Billion. So he is 1/60th of the way there. I find it easy for people to have more money than me.
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.07.05 20:52:00 -
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Just to clarify, "Ardannes" is one of Cally's alts. I know it can become confusing when people don't post with their mains.
And Cally/Ardannes, just for future reference, could you please learn to use apostrophes? Also, watch your capitalization of personal possessive contractions (such as "I've", "I'm", etc.). Your consistent errors rob alt-spotting of any challenge. Here's a sample of what I'm talking about, from this thread:
Post #18, by "Cally" --
An interesting read. That guys [sic] the top candidate responsible for hacking our website.... :)
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Post #20, by "Cally" --
To be completely honest, I think its [sic] probably someone who had an account and tried an insurance scam.
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... the other tried to say he deposited isk with me that he didnt [sic] very early in our initial startup.
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Post #29, by "Cally" --
If I was one day to wake up and think, ive [sic] had enough its [sic] entirely possible for me to walk away with close to 3/4 of a trillion in isk. no [sic] problem, and whats [sic] more nobody could do a thing about it.
But then, if I could do this, then why havent [sic] I already?
<snip>
why [sic] would I had just made all those points if I was intending to scam the community, knowing full well that as more people read this post ive [sic] made (and more paticulary [sic] the sceptical one) begin withdrawing all their isk?
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Post #31, by "Ardannes" --
I applaude [sic] you cally, most wouldnt [sic] have the courage to make a post like that.
But I must say, well put forward
Im [sic] sorry to say tho cally that our corp actually tested your bank a few weeks back.
Combined our members had almost 22 billion in current accounts and the corp wallet had over 42 billion.
(yes [sic] im [sic] posting with an alt as to protect our interests, but guess cally is going to know now :P)
<snip>
If there is one gripe I have with your bank its [sic] the lack of staff you have, altho im [sic] aware you have got a few more tellers employed now which is good.
As far as im [sic] concerned cally you have our confidence. Looking forward to future bank developments :)
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Post #48, by "Ardannes" --
Ive [sic] always found the EIB to be an honest corp, regardless of some of the teething problems they have had in their early days. But lets [sic] face it, which corps out there haven't had problems?
I think callys [sic] post about "could be a scam" was nothing more than sarcism [sic] through an [sic] through, and I found it quite honorable that the subject of one scammers [sic] claims and that of many of the comunity [sic] can come forward and say something as bold.
I expect he/she sees these posts and conspiracy theories as humor now more than anything as if she was intending to scam im [sic] sure it would have been done by now, or there would be far more evidence suggesting it.
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Just for the record, I have nothing personal against Cally. But I feel that by revealing this scam and enabling people to save their isk from it, I am giving back to the community a little of what I took from it.
I stole thirty billion isk, but everyone who lost isk to the scam I created had to choose to invest in it. Likewise, anyone who wishes to save their isk from the scam I unmasked has to choose to withdraw from it.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. |
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Kareltje
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:20:00 -
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I'm sorry, but if someone leaves out the ' from its and ive is conclusive evidence that it's an alt of Cally, he must have way too much cash to sustain about 15.000 accounts.
If you are going to accuse someone based on an analisys of writing style, you might as well do a proper analisys...
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Lisa Payne
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:40:00 -
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Given that honor is at play, i suggest a duel, like in the 15th century...
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kareltje
I'm sorry, but if someone leaves out the ' from its and ive is conclusive evidence that it's an alt of Cally, he must have way too much cash to sustain about 15.000 accounts.
If you are going to accuse someone based on an analisys of writing style, you might as well do a proper analisys...
You're right, Kareltje. I have been far too hasty in my accusations. Cally couldn't possibly be behind all of the people who make the exact same typing errors as each other. Why, were I to accuse Cally of being all of those people, I would need to add to his list of alts additional people from this very thread.
For example, I would need to add Argenton Sayvers, a corp-less alt whose contribution to this thread was to support Cally's program, and who spends most of his time making auction threads and bumping Cally/Ardannes' auction threads.
I would also need to add to my list Khanias, a corp-less alt whose first post to the forums was in this thread.
Ridiculous.
By the way, Kareltje, it's nice to meet you. I notice you're a corp-less alt whose first post to the forums was in this thread.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kareltje
is conclusive evidence that it's an alt of Cally
Doubt it was meant of as conclusive that would hold in any courtroom. Just anecdotal (or what ever is the term) evidence that increases the likehood and justifices the suspicion.
For Ardannes (with little help from http://www.eve-search.com) you could also spot:
- He is rather new to forums, and almost all of his post are related to EIB, and are of extremely supportive nature. Even after he sold his shares
- He is fond of 'whilst' construct, which although not that rare isn't too common either
- Has claimed that he and his mates banked some 22B to EIB, and his corp some 42B, and they all did succesfully withdraw them. Without any proof other than 'I am an alt for secrecy'.
Seriously, compare Cally's and Currin's ops; is there any fundamental different (other than Cally not be running totally solo op).
Cally not having already run off with money is not a proof of his loyalty; doesn't make sense to run till you've obtained the maximum amount.
In other tune; of course he might be true and loyal (and have some genuine explanation for all those shady aspect). If so, some of us being over-skeptic doesn't really matter. EIB doesn't make profit because of creditablity. Even if 90% of Eve considered EIB as a scam op, it still should get the same profits/dividends as it does now.
-Lasse
P.S. Dark Shiikari, would you be interested in one or two billion bet on EIB being a scam? Your post would suggest 8:1 odds, but we could agree on something more equal.
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Cally
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:51:00 -
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Apparently half of the eve subscribers are my alts... 
Currin, your not the first person to accuse me of having a scamming intent, and im certain you wont be the last.
If you have any concrete evidence of my intentions to scam then please provide it for the whole community to see.
Your conspiracy theories are everything someone has brought up before.
Financial Services for the Citizens of Eve
The EIB
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:59:00 -
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Very interesting read. Since you are present in this thread, Currin: How come you failed to mention the SVE scam (sales thread) in your account of EvE scams? Was it because it brought in 25 bil with just a week or two of work making your own hard work seem like a waste of effort?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
P.S. Dark Shiikari, would you be interested in one or two billion bet on EIB being a scam? Your post would suggest 8:1 odds, but we could agree on something more equal.
Nope. I don't trust my odds enough to do such a bet, and I'm not a gambling man anyways.
I know for a fact that not all EIBI employees is a Cally alt, as at least one of them is confirmed 100% to not be.
Ardannes' posts are suspicious, however.
--Proud member of the [23]--
-WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II- |
Ardannes
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:09:00 -
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Yes im the alt of another character, but soz guys.. it aint cally.
I do have the intelligence to not cross post my mains threads simply because
i dont... thats all you need to know :)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cally
Apparently half of the eve subscribers are my alts...
now you know how the devs feels in BoB threads
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EMFi Manager
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: EMFi Manager on 05/07/2006 23:26:26
What I see is a lot of circumstantial evidence, whilst I knew most of it already and discussed it before I dont buy the Ardannes bit. Cally is too smart to post in her own threads with an alt whilst not alternating her writing style.
Anyways. Material evidence presented, why wont you give me a motive next.
Dont you think that with 400b+ of public that Cally would put in less effort because raising 400b to 430b doesnt really do much....
Already more isk then you can spend, already biggest scam for infamy purposes, etc.. what is there to gain :)
Anyways, it is very amusing, I went through the same motions 2 months ago with Cally, it smells a bit like an attempt at sabotage still. Though the circumstantial evidence found is worthy of a grade-a conspiracy theorist.
Cally, I really would like to see your plans unfold, whilst I am not sure if these plans will be affected by a slight drop in confidence these allegations might cause. I offer my services for an private audit where I will keep all sensitive information in escrow so a lot of minds can be put at ease :)
Alt of Naphtalia
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