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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:09:00 -
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EVE is dying since 2003. Or maybe not.
Lately not a day goes by on the forums without an EVE health exam. Funny thing is, pessimists and optimists draw opposite conclusions from exactly the same data. Subs, PCU, ACU, PLEX prices, suicide gank frequency, nullsec carnage (or lack of it)... so much information, but so little agreement.
Enter the EVE Death-o-meter.
The Economist calculates the Recession index, simply by counting how often the ugly 'R-word' appears on leading newspapers. It seems to be surprisingly accurate at predicting recessions.
So I think somebody should count how often people say 'EVE is dying' on the forums and make some fancy graphs like this one!
Lots of grim posts --> we should start looking for another timesink.
Few of them --> all is well, back to the usual forum bs.
I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu? Or is there a sociology student looking for a good excuse to play EVE while 'carrying out innovative research'?
What do you think the EVE Death-o-meter would look like, from 2003 to now? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2549
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:17:00 -
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Everything dies, but I'm not particularly concerned about Eve atm.
My guess is if you look at the long term, the graph would be pretty flat, with spikes whenever CCP cocks up something big like boot.ini or Incarna, or lays off some people like a normal business.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
281
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:18:00 -
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Ask Chribba, he can help with this!
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1443
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:24:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Everything dies, but I'm not particularly concerned about Eve atm.
My guess is if you look at the long term, the graph would be pretty flat, with spikes whenever CCP cocks up something big like boot.ini or Incarna, or lays off some people like a normal business.
Yet with strange aeons even death may die.
So since capsuleers got clones, that means EVE will live forever! \o/ |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7203
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:31:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:EVE is dying since 2003. Or maybe not. Lately not a day goes by on the forums without an EVE health exam. Funny thing is, pessimists and optimists draw opposite conclusions from exactly the same data. Subs, PCU, ACU, PLEX prices, suicide gank frequency, nullsec carnage (or lack of it)... so much information, but so little agreement. Enter the EVE Death-o-meter. The Economist calculates the Recession index, simply by counting how often the ugly 'R-word' appears on leading newspapers. It seems to be surprisingly accurate at predicting recessions. So I think somebody should count how often people say 'EVE is dying' on the forums and make some fancy graphs like this one! Lots of grim posts --> we should start looking for another timesink. Few of them --> all is well, back to the usual forum bs. I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu? Or is there a sociology student looking for a good excuse to play EVE while 'carrying out innovative research'? What do you think the EVE Death-o-meter would look like, from 2003 to now?
Doomsday thinking is just people giving into to the natural anxieties that come from being mortal lol.
It's no different in game than out, you think "EVE dying since 2003" is funny? The real world has been ending for way way longer than that. lol.
The anxiety comes not only from fear of death, but also because of the discomfort associated with not being in control. That's why so many people try to "sound an alarm" to stave off death, it's a way of exerting (false) control over the situation.
Not trying to make light of death, but one of the most hilarious things I saw recently is how this doomsday preacher (Camping) predicted the end or the world, then the time came and the world didn't end, he revised the time, and when the world didn't end again, he finally admitted that no one knows when the world will end....then he died. The world did end....but just for him lol.
"EVE is dying" comes from the fear that the thing we love and have invested so much time and money and interest in will go away, at least for most of us. Some people dislike EVE (but cant' stop playing it) so they hope it dies (or comes close to dying) so that someone else will come in and 'fix' the game in a way that they will enjoy.
Me personally, I'm having to much fun actually playing EVE too worry about such things. I don't want EVE to die (and i don't think it will any time soon) or ccp to fold, but if that happens, life goes on and I will enjoy the great memories the game gave me. It would be funny as all hell if EVE was around in 50 years when most of us are actually dead (well, most of you guys, I'll be a robot by then). |
Da Dom
Wii R
93
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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"REPENT! THE END IS NEAR!"
Yeah... whatever
:)(: |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1210
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The world did end....but just for him lol. This made me LOL. 
Quote:It would be funny as all hell if EVE was around in 50 years when most of us are actually dead (well, most of you guys, I'll be a robot by then). This made me touch my own balls.  |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2610
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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http://themittani.com/features/graphing-eve-online-history-retribution-kronos
Some interesting analysis here.
tl;dr World Cup or TEST is killing EVE.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
380
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:51:00 -
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I see where you're going with this, however, if you've been around long enough you'll know the word "recession" replaced another word, which replaced another word, which replaced another word so the public won't be upset. The phenomena that keeps recurring to which these many words referred is the same phenom every time it occurs. And, it'll happen again. I figure it's due a name change, again. What's funny about this phenom is, when it's over the rich have gotten richer, and the poor poorer.
What's up with that?
EVE will have died when we no longer have electricity to run it. It's beastly that way.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2820
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:55:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:http://themittani.com/features/graphing-eve-online-history-retribution-kronos
Some interesting analysis here.
tl;dr World Cup or TEST is Boose and pretty lady's in the sun are killing EVE.
I alterd your post somewhat.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Claud Tiberius
52
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:55:00 -
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http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=EVE%20Dying
Does this mean anything?
idk 
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end. |
Sodabro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
726
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:01:00 -
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tl;dr - the number of people who say "eve is dying" is too damn high.
who wants lemon soda? |
Anthar Thebess
590
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:08:00 -
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Oh eve is not dying.
It just having bad days.
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
464
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:20:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu?
He already did: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
You're welcome.
1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
285
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:23:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about.
I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context".
Guess not.
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
464
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:34:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not.
Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter?
Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter.
Providing graphs with user statistics, including the amount of newly created accounts, is a good enough replacement for the answer.
1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
288
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:36:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not. Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter? Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter.
Wow, so much facepalm.
You must be fun at parties.
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
464
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:41:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not. Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter? Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter. Wow, so much facepalm. You must be fun at parties.
Yep... hilarious... but then again, I'm not drunk now. 
1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2029
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:55:00 -
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Here's the poop.
EVE is not dying.
People's interest and patience, however, is being seriously stretched thin.
Personally, I'd be more concerned that CCP is (hypothetically) being prepped for sale (useless product code being written off, downsizing of staff, new production strategy, etc.) than if it's actually "dying".
And if it does, hypothetically, get sold -- you think there's problems now ? Bwhahahahahahaha...
Those magical words from a new employer "Hey folks, it's great to be here and I just want to say it will be 'Business as Usual' and that we're all looking foward to doing great things... blah, blah, blah".
Usually a clear indication that "This Will Not End Well".
So, yeah... EVE ain't dying... but "WOMEN AND CAREBEARS, into the lifeboats ! ! ! " might not be far off the mark, either. 
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2551
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:03:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:
Personally, I'd be more concerned that CCP is (hypothetically) being prepped for sale (useless product code being written off, downsizing of staff, new production strategy, etc.) than if it's actually "dying".
If they stop scheduling Fanfests, I'll worry about it being sold. That's usually the first sign that there's something in the works - company sponsored player events go poof.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
36
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:57:00 -
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"End of The World" predictions do nothing but cause emotional strife.
Keep playing EVE, keep telling people about EVE, keep bashing the crap out of each other in EVE.
End of EVE?... yeah that would be disappointing, but it hasn't happened. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:16:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system Would still be obviously working as intended.
Pok Nibin wrote:EVE will have died when we no longer have electricity to run it. It's beastly that way. Amen, brother. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12221
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:59:00 -
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There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:08:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c Hey thanks for kindly appearing, Your Veldsparness!
Would it be possible to know how many times the phrase 'EVE is dying' was written on the EVE-O forums, for as far back in time as you can go, with monthly (or weekly or daily, whatever is easier) totals?
Something like:
June 2014 - 502 times
May 2014 - 657 times
April 2014 - 432 times
...
...
etc? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2833
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:09:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c
Chribba, what's your favourite eve stat (or grouping of them), and dont copout with "all of them",
are any of them particularly intriguing for you?
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15230
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:16:00 -
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Eve is the ultimate undead creature which can never die and feasts upon both the free time and relationships of the living.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12226
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:44:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c Hey thanks for kindly appearing, Your Veldsparness! Would it be possible to know how many times the phrase 'EVE is dying' was written on the EVE-O forums, for as far back in time as you can go, with monthly (or weekly or daily, whatever is easier) totals? Something like: June 2014 - 502 times May 2014 - 657 times April 2014 - 432 times ... ... etc? 2003-07: 2
2003-08: 2
2003-11: 1
2003-12: 1
2004-01: 4
2004-08: 2
2004-12: 2
2005-03: 1
2005-09: 1
2005-10: 1
2006-08: 6
2006-11: 2
2006-12: 28
2007-01: 1
2007-05: 2
2007-06: 7
2007-08: 4
2007-09: 1
2007-10: 6
2007-11: 3
2007-12: 47
2008-01: 11
2008-02: 1
2008-03: 2
2008-04: 9
2008-05: 14
2008-06: 17
2008-07: 23
2008-08: 40
2008-09: 18
2008-10: 29
2008-11: 29
2008-12: 30
2009-01: 68
2009-02: 84
2009-03: 59
2009-04: 23
2009-05: 23
2009-06: 28
2009-07: 24
2009-08: 55
2009-09: 36
2009-10: 33
2009-11: 21
2009-12: 47
2010-01: 58
2010-02: 16
2010-03: 26
2010-04: 28
2010-05: 26
2010-06: 64
2010-07: 101
2010-08: 301
2010-09: 247
2010-10: 218
2010-11: 46
2010-12: 54
2011-01: 44
2011-02: 30
2011-03: 74
2011-04: 65
2011-05: 93
2011-06: 142
2011-07: 62
2011-08: 59
2011-09: 82
2011-10: 64
2011-11: 13
2011-12: 28
2012-01: 12
2012-02: 31
2012-03: 51
2012-04: 19
2012-05: 56
2012-06: 57
2012-07: 23
2012-08: 29
2012-09: 44
2012-10: 97
2012-11: 58
2012-12: 47
2013-01: 74
2013-02: 102
2013-03: 58
2013-04: 80
2013-05: 60
2013-06: 49
2013-07: 55
2013-08: 46
2013-09: 103
2013-10: 81
2013-11: 57
2013-12: 54
2014-01: 36
2014-02: 34
2014-03: 57
2014-04: 76
2014-05: 87
2014-06: 80
2014-07: 40
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Chribba, what's your favourite eve stat (or grouping of them), and dont copout with "all of them",
are any of them particularly intriguing for you? Well, I do absolutely love the player numbers. But I am particularly fond of the Jita-spam-bots numbers (or the numbers before CCP started to take action, haven't done any checks in a few months now).
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:48:00 -
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Chribba, that is so awesome I'm crying!
Thank you so much! |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
248
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:49:00 -
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So lets see the graph then Gully :) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2833
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:52:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:So lets see the graph then Gully :)
hes had the numbers like 10 mins, give the man some time.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12226
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:54:00 -
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Also... behold the, ever first "eve is dying" post... http://eve-search.com/thread/22860-0#8 (post 8 - which was lame...)
Would call this one the first one ever - http://eve-search.com/thread/24103-0#16 (post 16)
/c
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Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
248
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:55:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yarda Black wrote:So lets see the graph then Gully :) hes had the numbers like 10 mins, give the man some time.
Yeah true. I'll keep my curiosity in check for another 10 |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1220
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:56:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yarda Black wrote:So lets see the graph then Gully :) hes had the numbers like 10 mins, give the man some time. :)
I'm also eating atm and, while I do have some excel-fu, I have no idea how to share the results... :(
But I'll do my best, if anyone beats me to it it's fine with me.
I'll give a first comment: EVE is dying since 2008, apparently, NOT since 2003!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7209
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:02:00 -
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Chribba wrote:
2010-07: 101
2010-08: 301
2010-09: 247
2010-10: 218
These guys seemed pissed. 48 months later, EVE still here, they must still be pissed.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1157
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:14:00 -
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Chribba wrote:
2011-06: 142
Incarna.
I vote for a Chribbometer, which calculates the likelihood of Chribba appearing in a thread after his name has been mentioned.
My lord. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7213
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:20:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Chribba wrote:
2011-06: 142
Incarna. I vote for a Chribbometer, which calculates the likelihood of Chribba appearing in a thread after his name has been mentioned.
Nice.
How about a name for a graph that Gully makes and Chribba supplies the Data for?
Chribbo-Gullometer?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12236
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:30:00 -
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The likelihood of me appearing in a thread increases by 1 simply by mentioning my name 
/c
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2556
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:00:00 -
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Chribba wrote:
2010-08: 301
2010-09: 247
2010-10: 218
Ok, what did CCP screw up in late '10? Was that Incarna?
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7215
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:02:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Chribba wrote:
2010-08: 301
2010-09: 247
2010-10: 218
Ok, what did CCP screw up in late '10? Was that Incarna?
http://www.eveonline.com/expansions/incursion
Those 3 months were the months before Incursion. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2557
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:07:00 -
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Huh. When was monocle gate?
Edit
That wasn't until 2011, according to Google.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7216
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:08:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Huh. When was monocle gate?
6 months later. |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
5
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:13:00 -
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Eve is like a 2003 Grand Caravan. Eventhough, it was one of the worst cars build in 2003, I still see some when I am driving. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2557
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:14:00 -
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Ok, a couple of possibilities:
Shader Model III support became mandatory around that time.
The new character creator was announced, which I think coincided with everyone finding about WoD.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1226
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:14:00 -
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The EVE Death-o-meter is now available for your shiptoasting pleasure!
OP has been edited, too. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
698
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:14:00 -
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Nice graph, so based on that, we can see that eve is in fact not drying lol.
But to what point I am going to make, the first graph you have with the average PCU doesn't really mean anything. The problem is that graph is trying to link random ingame activities with out of game activities. For example, test announces its going to low sec followed by a long dip in PCU. Then test loses last sov and it gets a bump. The issue with that is you can not make a causation from it. "Oh the player count started moving up after test lost its last sov... so that must be the cause of the dip." No, Oct is a good month for students to be settled in at school and getting there classes organized, in some business its also a lul period before the insanity that is the holidays. That's the issue with these type of threads, the eve is dying ones, you have base information:
the pcu is lower then last year, eve is dying
plexes are way up.. must mean people are not buying plex so less players.. eve is dying
ccp did not announce the subs this year... they must be super low.. eve is dying
ccp laid off some employees when they killed a project... ccp/eve is dying
ccp lost 20m... and i'll ignore that fact that they made 10m more in profit over last year, and the fact they did layoff in a restructure... eve is dying.
But no real reason to understand the base info. Its like if I told you the sun is hot. You could take that and go 'that tree is dying because the sun is hot' ignoring the fact that you have not watered it, or trimed it, or a million other things. There is no causation.
That's the issue. You have no real reason why things are as they are. EvE will die when ccp announces it on the dev blogs. till then, why worry? shut up, and play the damn game we all like. And if you don't like eve then why are you still here?
10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2839
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:26:00 -
[46] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:The EVE Death-o-meter is now available for your shiptoasting pleasure! OP has been edited, too.
Cheers dude, tha should come in handy
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1235
|
Posted - 2014.07.14 20:31:00 -
[47] - Quote
DaReaper wrote:That's the issue. You have no real reason why things are as they are. EvE will die when ccp announces it on the dev blogs. till then, why worry? shut up, and play the damn game we all like. And if you don't like eve then why are you still here? Hey, don't shoot me, I'm just counting words here.
Matter of fact, with your post you just added 6 units of 'eve is dying' to the July Death-o-meter. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies! |
Carmen Electra
602
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
I just added "eve is dying" to my sig.
rip in pieces eve death-o-meter
eve is dying |
rogue Aldebaran
Rogue Fleet
6
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:38:00 -
[49] - Quote
The flaw with this tool that I see. You are basing yourself on the Recession word theory and trying to apply it to Eve's forums. In RL, nobody can really escape the economy (good or bad) so the economists will always comment on it. In Eve, people that no longer play the game cannot come on the forums to say the magic "Eve is dying" words. You cannot post when you are unsubbed, so for sure your numbers wont mean much. Specially if you have a few thousand people that left the game like it feels atm.
When you no longer play a game, you don't really care about it anyways and most ex-players wont bother comment about it!
Here you go, I just ganked your new toy !! Next time be aligned and fit a tank! |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1238
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:33:00 -
[50] - Quote
rogue Aldebaran wrote:The flaw with this tool that I see. You are basing yourself on the Recession word theory and trying to apply it to Eve's forums. In RL, nobody can really escape the economy (good or bad) so the economists will always comment on it. In Eve, people that no longer play the game cannot come on the forums to say the magic "Eve is dying" words. You cannot post when you are unsubbed, so for sure your numbers wont mean much. Specially if you have a few thousand people that left the game like it feels atm. When you no longer play a game, you don't really care about it anyways and most ex-players wont bother comment about it! Here you go, I just ganked your new toy !! Next time be aligned and fit a tank! (Just kidding bro...no hard feelings) Wouldn't that be equivalent to a business journalist ragequitting the New York Times to start a bar in Playa del Carmen? His opinion would be no longer noteworthy, except regarding margaritas. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
848
|
Posted - 2014.07.14 21:43:00 -
[51] - Quote
I motion that we should declare July 30th an official holiday in honor of the first "Eve is Dying" post nearly eleven years ago! Please submit suggestions for the holiday name in this thread.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2843
|
Posted - 2014.07.14 22:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:I motion that we should declare July 30th an official holiday in honor of the first "Eve is Dying" post nearly eleven years ago! Please submit suggestions for the holiday name in this thread.
+1
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
1240
|
Posted - 2014.07.14 22:34:00 -
[53] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:I motion that we should declare July 30th an official holiday in honor of the first "Eve is Dying" post nearly eleven years ago! Please submit suggestions for the holiday name in this thread. Starving Madox Day?
On I side note, I regret not being around 11 years ago, the forums were quite spunky. A few select quotes from that thread:
a single sticky message on the forum saying we apologise for the 4 hour downtime and maybe an explination of why it took twice as long as advertised, would not go amiss. People can generally forgive mistakes, but only if an apology is made.
I am sorry. I will not manhandle your girlfriend again while drunk. Though she did snog me first !!!!!!!!
Yes, they should bow down to your feet, kiss them, and then move up to your ass.. What kind of richious stick do you have up your butt?
we are the customers here. we are paying for a service. we have every right to question what is going on. now granted, isk refunds for missed productivity and asking for some sort of public appology that all the devs signed is just plain silly. however, a dev CAN take 35 seconds out of their busy schedule and make a small post on the devblog letting the paying customers know what is going on. *eve is dying*
I can only assume that since you actually noticed or care how long the downtime is that you are either A) a REALLY dediated trader who gets up in the pre-dawn hours to be on when downtime is done or B) Live in europe and dont have a job (why else would you be home in the middle of the day to notice the downtime was extended).
if you really miss the 2 hours send me your bank account and I'll reward you personally for your lost 2 hours which makes 13$/30day/24h*2h=0.0361 CENT wow, thats a big one, make it 4 cents, I'll gladly pay, now shut up and stop whing about a normal thing like server maintainance.
Once school is back in session alot of these whining elementary kids will not be noticing the downtime as they will be learing how to do long division.
I wonder if Farting could be a viable form of space travel ??????
EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:13:00 -
[54] - Quote
Unfortunately, merely by posting an eve is dying thread, the eve is dying death-o-meter will return a biased amount of eve is dying posts for this month because people in this thread may very well use the phrase "eve is dying" which could throw off the total monthly eve is dying count.
Not to mention that threads could be start to oppose your death-o-meter which could also use "eve is dying" in a non-"eve is dying" way. |
Badden Powell
Future Dynamics
13
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
EDIT: thanks to Chribba, here is the EVE Death-o-meter![/quote]
I'm guessing that large spike was the incarna expansion and the rapidly following "Jita riots"... |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
Claud Tiberius wrote:http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=EVE%20Dying Does this mean anything? idk
Yep, it does, the give away is this:
Quote:Not enough search volume to show results.
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2564
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 00:55:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm guessing that large spike was the incarna expansion and the rapidly following "Jita riots"...[/quote]
Actually we looked at that - Incarna was six months later.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
851
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 16:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
According to this meter, this thread will kill eve.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
642
|
Posted - 2014.07.15 18:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:I just added "eve is dying" to my sig.
rip in pieces eve death-o-meter
Yep, saw this coming...
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Jeremy Fischer1
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
1
|
Posted - 2014.07.16 09:38:00 -
[60] - Quote
I haven't been around long enough to really comment but, nullsec is always busy. There's constant pvp, and pve in between when it's safe. The only downtimes are late at night, and even then we have fleets and gangs flying through our system and all around catch. The only difference is that we don't have people on to fight them. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
28692
|
Posted - 2014.07.31 00:07:00 -
[61] - Quote
After browsing the old forums - General Discussion - it seems during that time frame the rage was centered mainly on in-game Lag.
Lag so bad it wasn't just affecting Null Sec Fleet Battles, it was everywhere making the game almost unplayable. In no particular order of listing there was a rash of extended downtimes, nodes crashing, server reboots, client disconnects, players experiencing inability to log in or getting 'Black Screen' after log in, game freeze and excessive wait times at Jumpgates to access various systems, etc.
Not to mention a multitude of bugs active in game, existing content being left unfinished, bug fixes causing other working content to become broken, etc.
Also Planetary Interaction was just recently added which was a massive clickfest, a hell of a lot more than it currently is. Along with that there were constant reports of increased Macro-mining / Bots happening in game.
One thing is for sure, players didn't like the idea / news of CCP announcing 18 months for new content (Incarna) as a priority instead of fixing current issues in the game, not to mention allocating a lot of resources to Dust, WoD, Eve Gate, etc..
Plus CCP was asking the playerbase to vote Eve Online as game of the year in the first ever European Games Award or something like that. Anyway that basically turned into a rage thread.
By the way, Eve Online actually won that contest.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Vicky Powers
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2014.07.31 00:40:00 -
[62] - Quote
After carefully examining the presented data I have drawn the conclusion that it's... a big squiggly line. |
Kelaian Stareine
Alpha Strategy
The Unthinkables
0
|
Posted - 2014.07.31 06:35:00 -
[63] - Quote
When I started this game, at least for my most recent iteration of playing it, I remember on the login screen that there were more like 30000-40000 people on pretty much any given day. Now its more like 20k all the time. Is this really surprising that some of our chief content creators are being driven out of the game for helping to improve game mechanics? |
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