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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:09:00 -
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EVE is dying since 2003. Or maybe not.
Lately not a day goes by on the forums without an EVE health exam. Funny thing is, pessimists and optimists draw opposite conclusions from exactly the same data. Subs, PCU, ACU, PLEX prices, suicide gank frequency, nullsec carnage (or lack of it)... so much information, but so little agreement.
Enter the EVE Death-o-meter.
The Economist calculates the Recession index, simply by counting how often the ugly 'R-word' appears on leading newspapers. It seems to be surprisingly accurate at predicting recessions.
So I think somebody should count how often people say 'EVE is dying' on the forums and make some fancy graphs like this one!
Lots of grim posts --> we should start looking for another timesink.
Few of them --> all is well, back to the usual forum bs.
I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu? Or is there a sociology student looking for a good excuse to play EVE while 'carrying out innovative research'?
What do you think the EVE Death-o-meter would look like, from 2003 to now? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2549
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:17:00 -
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Everything dies, but I'm not particularly concerned about Eve atm.
My guess is if you look at the long term, the graph would be pretty flat, with spikes whenever CCP cocks up something big like boot.ini or Incarna, or lays off some people like a normal business.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
281
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:18:00 -
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Ask Chribba, he can help with this!
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:24:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Everything dies, but I'm not particularly concerned about Eve atm.
My guess is if you look at the long term, the graph would be pretty flat, with spikes whenever CCP cocks up something big like boot.ini or Incarna, or lays off some people like a normal business.
Yet with strange aeons even death may die.
So since capsuleers got clones, that means EVE will live forever! \o/ |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7203
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:31:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:EVE is dying since 2003. Or maybe not. Lately not a day goes by on the forums without an EVE health exam. Funny thing is, pessimists and optimists draw opposite conclusions from exactly the same data. Subs, PCU, ACU, PLEX prices, suicide gank frequency, nullsec carnage (or lack of it)... so much information, but so little agreement. Enter the EVE Death-o-meter. The Economist calculates the Recession index, simply by counting how often the ugly 'R-word' appears on leading newspapers. It seems to be surprisingly accurate at predicting recessions. So I think somebody should count how often people say 'EVE is dying' on the forums and make some fancy graphs like this one! Lots of grim posts --> we should start looking for another timesink. Few of them --> all is well, back to the usual forum bs. I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu? Or is there a sociology student looking for a good excuse to play EVE while 'carrying out innovative research'? What do you think the EVE Death-o-meter would look like, from 2003 to now?
Doomsday thinking is just people giving into to the natural anxieties that come from being mortal lol.
It's no different in game than out, you think "EVE dying since 2003" is funny? The real world has been ending for way way longer than that. lol.
The anxiety comes not only from fear of death, but also because of the discomfort associated with not being in control. That's why so many people try to "sound an alarm" to stave off death, it's a way of exerting (false) control over the situation.
Not trying to make light of death, but one of the most hilarious things I saw recently is how this doomsday preacher (Camping) predicted the end or the world, then the time came and the world didn't end, he revised the time, and when the world didn't end again, he finally admitted that no one knows when the world will end....then he died. The world did end....but just for him lol.
"EVE is dying" comes from the fear that the thing we love and have invested so much time and money and interest in will go away, at least for most of us. Some people dislike EVE (but cant' stop playing it) so they hope it dies (or comes close to dying) so that someone else will come in and 'fix' the game in a way that they will enjoy.
Me personally, I'm having to much fun actually playing EVE too worry about such things. I don't want EVE to die (and i don't think it will any time soon) or ccp to fold, but if that happens, life goes on and I will enjoy the great memories the game gave me. It would be funny as all hell if EVE was around in 50 years when most of us are actually dead (well, most of you guys, I'll be a robot by then). |
Da Dom
Wii R
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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"REPENT! THE END IS NEAR!"
Yeah... whatever
:)(: |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The world did end....but just for him lol. This made me LOL. 
Quote:It would be funny as all hell if EVE was around in 50 years when most of us are actually dead (well, most of you guys, I'll be a robot by then). This made me touch my own balls.  |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:37:00 -
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http://themittani.com/features/graphing-eve-online-history-retribution-kronos
Some interesting analysis here.
tl;dr World Cup or TEST is killing EVE.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
380
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:51:00 -
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I see where you're going with this, however, if you've been around long enough you'll know the word "recession" replaced another word, which replaced another word, which replaced another word so the public won't be upset. The phenomena that keeps recurring to which these many words referred is the same phenom every time it occurs. And, it'll happen again. I figure it's due a name change, again. What's funny about this phenom is, when it's over the rich have gotten richer, and the poor poorer.
What's up with that?
EVE will have died when we no longer have electricity to run it. It's beastly that way.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2820
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:55:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:http://themittani.com/features/graphing-eve-online-history-retribution-kronos
Some interesting analysis here.
tl;dr World Cup or TEST is Boose and pretty lady's in the sun are killing EVE.
I alterd your post somewhat.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Claud Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:55:00 -
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http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore#q=EVE%20Dying
Does this mean anything?
idk 
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end. |
Sodabro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
726
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:01:00 -
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tl;dr - the number of people who say "eve is dying" is too damn high.
who wants lemon soda? |
Anthar Thebess
590
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:08:00 -
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Oh eve is not dying.
It just having bad days.
Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
464
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:20:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I guess Chribba could easily do this with his epic database-fu?
He already did: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
You're welcome.
1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
285
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:23:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about.
I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context".
Guess not.
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:34:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not.
Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter?
Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter.
Providing graphs with user statistics, including the amount of newly created accounts, is a good enough replacement for the answer.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279 |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:36:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not. Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter? Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter.
Wow, so much facepalm.
You must be fun at parties.
It's funny how she changed her mains portrait,-ábecause all her alts look pretty much like her.
Took her a long while to finally realize.-á(: -álol Phantomime.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
464
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:41:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Christina Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Please point out where he did what we are actually talking about. I wonder if you ever heard of the word "context". Guess not. Isn't "context" a new brand of peanut butter? Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system because it's out of aforementioned brand of peanut butter. Wow, so much facepalm. You must be fun at parties.
Yep... hilarious... but then again, I'm not drunk now. 
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Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2029
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:55:00 -
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Here's the poop.
EVE is not dying.
People's interest and patience, however, is being seriously stretched thin.
Personally, I'd be more concerned that CCP is (hypothetically) being prepped for sale (useless product code being written off, downsizing of staff, new production strategy, etc.) than if it's actually "dying".
And if it does, hypothetically, get sold -- you think there's problems now ? Bwhahahahahahaha...
Those magical words from a new employer "Hey folks, it's great to be here and I just want to say it will be 'Business as Usual' and that we're all looking foward to doing great things... blah, blah, blah".
Usually a clear indication that "This Will Not End Well".
So, yeah... EVE ain't dying... but "WOMEN AND CAREBEARS, into the lifeboats ! ! ! " might not be far off the mark, either. 
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2551
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:03:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:
Personally, I'd be more concerned that CCP is (hypothetically) being prepped for sale (useless product code being written off, downsizing of staff, new production strategy, etc.) than if it's actually "dying".
If they stop scheduling Fanfests, I'll worry about it being sold. That's usually the first sign that there's something in the works - company sponsored player events go poof.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:57:00 -
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"End of The World" predictions do nothing but cause emotional strife.
Keep playing EVE, keep telling people about EVE, keep bashing the crap out of each other in EVE.
End of EVE?... yeah that would be disappointing, but it hasn't happened. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:16:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Anyway, to base any assumptions of the health of the game on how many times "EVE is dying" is being said is ridiculous by itself. More often than not, the phrase is used as sarcasm and will be interpreted wrongly by any automated statistics system Would still be obviously working as intended.
Pok Nibin wrote:EVE will have died when we no longer have electricity to run it. It's beastly that way. Amen, brother. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:59:00 -
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There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:08:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c Hey thanks for kindly appearing, Your Veldsparness!
Would it be possible to know how many times the phrase 'EVE is dying' was written on the EVE-O forums, for as far back in time as you can go, with monthly (or weekly or daily, whatever is easier) totals?
Something like:
June 2014 - 502 times
May 2014 - 657 times
April 2014 - 432 times
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etc? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2833
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:09:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c
Chribba, what's your favourite eve stat (or grouping of them), and dont copout with "all of them",
are any of them particularly intriguing for you?
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15230
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:16:00 -
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Eve is the ultimate undead creature which can never die and feasts upon both the free time and relationships of the living.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:44:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Chribba wrote:There's so much poking (indirect) of me in this thread I don't know what's going on - but if there's request for data that I have, feel free to do so, a bit more specified as to what data you wish to see and I will do my best to provide it.
/c Hey thanks for kindly appearing, Your Veldsparness! Would it be possible to know how many times the phrase 'EVE is dying' was written on the EVE-O forums, for as far back in time as you can go, with monthly (or weekly or daily, whatever is easier) totals? Something like: June 2014 - 502 times May 2014 - 657 times April 2014 - 432 times ... ... etc? 2003-07: 2
2003-08: 2
2003-11: 1
2003-12: 1
2004-01: 4
2004-08: 2
2004-12: 2
2005-03: 1
2005-09: 1
2005-10: 1
2006-08: 6
2006-11: 2
2006-12: 28
2007-01: 1
2007-05: 2
2007-06: 7
2007-08: 4
2007-09: 1
2007-10: 6
2007-11: 3
2007-12: 47
2008-01: 11
2008-02: 1
2008-03: 2
2008-04: 9
2008-05: 14
2008-06: 17
2008-07: 23
2008-08: 40
2008-09: 18
2008-10: 29
2008-11: 29
2008-12: 30
2009-01: 68
2009-02: 84
2009-03: 59
2009-04: 23
2009-05: 23
2009-06: 28
2009-07: 24
2009-08: 55
2009-09: 36
2009-10: 33
2009-11: 21
2009-12: 47
2010-01: 58
2010-02: 16
2010-03: 26
2010-04: 28
2010-05: 26
2010-06: 64
2010-07: 101
2010-08: 301
2010-09: 247
2010-10: 218
2010-11: 46
2010-12: 54
2011-01: 44
2011-02: 30
2011-03: 74
2011-04: 65
2011-05: 93
2011-06: 142
2011-07: 62
2011-08: 59
2011-09: 82
2011-10: 64
2011-11: 13
2011-12: 28
2012-01: 12
2012-02: 31
2012-03: 51
2012-04: 19
2012-05: 56
2012-06: 57
2012-07: 23
2012-08: 29
2012-09: 44
2012-10: 97
2012-11: 58
2012-12: 47
2013-01: 74
2013-02: 102
2013-03: 58
2013-04: 80
2013-05: 60
2013-06: 49
2013-07: 55
2013-08: 46
2013-09: 103
2013-10: 81
2013-11: 57
2013-12: 54
2014-01: 36
2014-02: 34
2014-03: 57
2014-04: 76
2014-05: 87
2014-06: 80
2014-07: 40
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Chribba, what's your favourite eve stat (or grouping of them), and dont copout with "all of them",
are any of them particularly intriguing for you? Well, I do absolutely love the player numbers. But I am particularly fond of the Jita-spam-bots numbers (or the numbers before CCP started to take action, haven't done any checks in a few months now).
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:48:00 -
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Chribba, that is so awesome I'm crying!
Thank you so much! |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Nulli Secunda
248
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:49:00 -
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So lets see the graph then Gully :) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2833
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:52:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:So lets see the graph then Gully :)
hes had the numbers like 10 mins, give the man some time.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
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