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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.09.30 10:57:00 -
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I had a good run before the patch and got half the implants I wanted, but still needed memory, so I went and bought one for 14.5mill.
After the sale was completed I chatted to the seller for a short time and one of his comments was, and I quote, "cool, now I can get my first cruiser".
This got me thinking, anyone can start a new char, do agent missions and within a very short time have 100mill+ in the bank.
I know the implant market is very unstable at the moment, but I think it will settle at around 6-10mill each, in a couple of weeks.
I'm not saying this is a problem, just an observation.
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:01:00 -
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"After the sale was completed I chatted to the seller for a short time and one of his comments was, and I quote, "cool, now I can get my first cruiser"."
OMG, that must be one tough noob.
The level 3 agent missions that give implants send you up against 50k pirates.
Either he had help, or he was less than truthful, ehehehe! 
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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:05:00 -
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ah, maybe the missions have changed again then, because I could do all my missions in an executioner frigate (although I ended up doing them in a maller), and the hardest was 20k pirate.
Plus you can leave the kill mission for an hour as they don't dromp implants.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:18:00 -
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So what of it?
If players in this game from days long past had bothered with missions there wouldn't have been such a lucrative market for this 'noob'. More power to him.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:20:00 -
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he must be a noob with alot of spare cash I mean 3million for one superconducter some people are really making a mockery of the trade system.
" Stay Frosty "
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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:26:00 -
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So what of it?
Jeez, Like I said in my original post "just an observation"
I really don't have a problem with it, I got my implant so I'm happy.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:28:00 -
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3M!! I'm selling mine for 350k, I'm calling my broker now to retract! ....Wait a minute, where's my broker?   
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:40:00 -
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I think it's adequate payback for people like myself, and a few other who actually put the effort into their agents in the first place.
Because I spent my first several weeks running agent missions for what, then, was terrible money, and no reward.
Now these implants came along, and the only people who really made on them, are the people who already *had* lvl 3 agents.
the price gouge didn't hit until everybody else started getting up to speed.
I made just under 100M from implants. I could have made much more than that trading or mining over the same period of time. So I don't see the beef.
The money isn't that important to me. As long as I can go out and buy me a nicely kitted cruiser when I lose them (all too often atm, it seems) then I'm a happy puppy.
As for the noobs making a mint: Just forget about it. some people get lucky, just like in real life. When retail hit, most of the beta guys were out ninja-mining ark. A few noobs caught on to what they were doing, and made a mint that way. Of course, the people who missed the boat complained like a motherfather. But that's to be expected. I pretty much missed out myself, only managing to get 2 days of ninja mining in before it was patched. But I'm not the type to complain aboot it.
Anyway, I've lost track of what I was saying, so I'll stop now.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:44:00 -
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It just makes up for the fact they never got to ninja mine ark. n00bs are a few million skill points behind anyway. But I don't care if n00bs get some sort of boost. Each n00b we get replaces someone we lost.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:21:00 -
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Put a noob in a battleship and all you have is a well armed noob thats going to loose a lot more when he gets killed.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:23:00 -
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It just makes up for the fact they never got to ninja mine ark. n00bs are a few million skill points behind anyway. But I don't care if n00bs get some sort of boost. Each n00b we get replaces someone we lost.
yeah.
It also makes up for them not being able to hunt the super-loot cruiser pirates of old. (ahh, fond memories of 15 CU vaps a night)
Also makes up for them not being able to 'easy-spawn' NPC's..
And probably some other cashcows that have been fixed.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:27:00 -
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"After the sale was completed I chatted to the seller for a short time and one of his comments was, and I quote, "cool, now I can get my first cruiser".
This got me thinking, anyone can start a new char, do agent missions and within a very short time have 100mill+ in the bank."
... When you think of it, you'll realize if the person in question was mining instead of running low level agent missions to move up the agent ladder, by this time they'd have enough money for their 'first cruiser' as well.
It's just alternate route, doesn't make things any 'easier' from how they already are.
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Commander Jones
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Jones on 30/09/2003 12:46:47
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This got me thinking, anyone can start a new char, do agent missions and within a very short time have 100mill+ in the bank.
It seems to me that a person that worked all the way to a lvl3 agent is hardly a noob...
"You end up paying good money for the sort of treatment you ancestors spent their short, brutal lives trying to avoid. That's progress"
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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:11:00 -
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This is why I hardly ever bother posting, because people always take whatever you say arse about face, and you end up having to defend your opinions
All this was all along was an observation.
However just because money cows existed in the past doesn't mean they should do now.
A new player can easily be getting implants within 1 week of starting, you cannot make a comparable amount of money mining or hunting, or even trading because you have to wait for skills, or capital, missions don't rely on anything.
I have nothing against anyone doing this whatsoever, infact I'm pleased they are because it meant I could get my implant, and more that do it means the market will stabilise quicker.
Having said that I think one of the main reasons I'm still playing is becase it was so bloody hard to get where I am now, and I'm quite attached to my char, whereas new players might not get that sense of achievement.
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Dominion Alaris
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Posted - 2003.09.30 13:20:00 -
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The price of SuperConductors have dramaticly dropped over the last 2 days. You can get them at the highway system for 140k-200k... so stop complaining about high prices. You will get after all 19-25 million isk profit of geting a memory implant and selling it..:P
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.30 14:17:00 -
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OMG !! OMG !! NOOBS CAN MAKE MONEY !!! OMG !! AND WITHOUT TO BE MINING SLAVE OF A MEGA CORP !!! OMG !!
THATS AN EXPLOIT !! THATS A BUG !!! CCP FIX IT !!
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Blondie
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Posted - 2003.09.30 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Blondie on 30/09/2003 14:42:49
Edited by: Blondie on 30/09/2003 14:42:18
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OMG !! OMG !! NOOBS CAN MAKE MONEY !!! OMG !! AND WITHOUT TO BE MINING SLAVE OF A MEGA CORP !!! OMG !!
THATS AN EXPLOIT !! THATS A BUG !!! CCP FIX IT !!
what drugs are you on can i have some
what drugs are you on can i have some plz
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.30 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Blondie on 30/09/2003 14:42:49
Edited by: Blondie on 30/09/2003 14:42:18
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OMG !! OMG !! NOOBS CAN MAKE MONEY !!! OMG !! AND WITHOUT TO BE MINING SLAVE OF A MEGA CORP !!! OMG !!
THATS AN EXPLOIT !! THATS A BUG !!! CCP FIX IT !!
what drugs are you on can i have some
what drugs are you on can i have some plz
i am on Caldemai ....
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.30 16:05:00 -
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Took me a week from doing my first level 1 agent mission to getting an implant.
Approx. 48 hours play.
I'd hardly call that easy.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Deadflip2
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Posted - 2003.09.30 16:37:00 -
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I had a good run before the patch and got half the implants I wanted, but still needed memory, so I went and bought one for 14.5mill.
After the sale was completed I chatted to the seller for a short time and one of his comments was, and I quote, "cool, now I can get my first cruiser".
This got me thinking, anyone can start a new char, do agent missions and within a very short time have 100mill+ in the bank.
I know the implant market is very unstable at the moment, but I think it will settle at around 6-10mill each, in a couple of weeks.
I'm not saying this is a problem, just an observation.
u actually payed 14.5 mil for a stupid implant u can get for wayy less
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.30 16:41:00 -
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listen, implants are a royal pain to obtain, a noob in a frigate needs some MASSIVE hauling skillz to get past some lev 3 missions, take it form me I have done in excess of 120.
With the frequency with which implants drop now, its just another profitable venture, like NPC farming and mining.
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Rinji
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Posted - 2003.09.30 17:02:00 -
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With the frequency with which implants drop now, its just another profitable venture, like NPC farming and mining.
Amen. I get about one a night now (several hours playing), so this is hardly the hand-over-fist method it was before the patch. Besides, it takes a good long time to get a level 3 agent.
Vice Admiral Rinji Morisato
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.30 17:32:00 -
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ah, maybe the missions have changed again then, because I could do all my missions in an executioner frigate (although I ended up doing them in a maller), and the hardest was 20k pirate.
Plus you can leave the kill mission for an hour as they don't dromp implants.
You can leave the mission for an hour, true.
But do you realize how much work is involved in obtaining a L3 agent, and then getting an implant from one?
It's not like that "noob" had 14.5mill handed to him for free. If he'd been mining, he could've obtained a cruiser much more quickly.
Running L3 missions without a cruiser is quite hard due to cargo space limitations - You can get the cargo to run the big missions with cheaper ships, but not with nearly the same speed and agility as a cruiser. (Cruiser? Agile? Hell yes compared to an industrial or a frigate kitted out completely with expanders for cargo space.)
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Manora
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Posted - 2003.09.30 17:34:00 -
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The level 3 agent missions that give implants send you up against 50k pirates.
Either he had help, or he was less than truthful, ehehehe!
lol, i never killed 1 pirate to have implants (and my agents gave me 10-15 implants)
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.30 19:07:00 -
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However just because money cows existed in the past doesn't mean they should do now.
Translation: Why should new players get the same opportunities I did? No fair!
Veruna Caseti
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Dats
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Posted - 2003.09.30 19:15:00 -
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Personaly I think the implants are a good thing it makes training time quicker for everyone. This means noobs can get to a more playable role in the game in a fairly short amount of time and they might stay playing the game instead of quiting after a month because they are so far behind.
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.30 19:48:00 -
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However just because money cows existed in the past doesn't mean they should do now.
Translation: Why should new players get the same opportunities I did? No fair!
I did 120 missions now i need 60 hours for it. if i had mined with my thoraxs thats 60 millions ..easy.
is this fair ? for the money i can buy all implants i need
oh, and i still have no lvl3 agent
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SavX
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Posted - 2003.09.30 20:13:00 -
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Maybe... He bought loads of money on Ebay, or got millions gave to him, spent it on a Battleship and is flying about in a battleship, thus, he never had time to get a cruiser and ran out of money. Therefore, he wants a cruiser to mess about in, and thats how he can get his first cruiser.
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Robomonkey
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Posted - 2003.09.30 20:15:00 -
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However just because money cows existed in the past doesn't mean they should do now.
Translation: Why should new players get the same opportunities I did? No fair!
Huh????, WTF, for the third friggin time I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, Read the initial post.
Can anyone tell me what was confrontational about my post???, I'd really like to know.
I voiced my opinion about something, it was MY OPINION, not a challange to anyone.
And...I stand by my statement, A new player starting without any help from anyone can currently make money quicker doing missions than any other career. but...this is MY opinion.
Also I know how difficult it is to do missions I'm currently on about 300, 70 of which is for level 3 agents. I also know how hard it is mining in a Velator, then an Exequrer, and finally in Thorax, all the time waiting for skills to complete.
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Znaei
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Posted - 2003.09.30 21:22:00 -
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"After the sale was completed I chatted to the seller for a short time and one of his comments was, and I quote, "cool, now I can get my first cruiser"."
OMG, that must be one tough noob.
The level 3 agent missions that give implants send you up against 50k pirates.
Either he had help, or he was less than truthful, ehehehe!
Acctually the mission where you need to kill the Guristas Emmisary 50k, doesnt give you an implant, it gives you 15 Super Conductors
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:32:00 -
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Ok I think im missing something, is there a time restraint on these agent missions?
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Marlena
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:07:00 -
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Well, everyone that say "Well they have been doing agent missions since their first day.. With no money etc, now they got their reward"
Well I dont think Doing agent missions is More fun than mining,.. Its about the same, So when will the next Item pop up in asteorids????
I want my reward for alot of mining, alot of booring afk mining 
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:39:00 -
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Well, everyone that say "Well they have been doing agent missions since their first day.. With no money etc, now they got their reward"
Well I dont think Doing agent missions is More fun than mining,.. Its about the same, So when will the next Item pop up in asteorids????
I want my reward for alot of mining, alot of booring afk mining
the most I could get from agent missions, per hour is ~800k, and that would be only if I got 4 of the very highest paying missions, with the highest ranking lvl 3 agent, in the space of an hour.
A reasonable average would be 300k per hour, from a top notch level 3, giving jobs between 50-70k each, and would require that you can complete each mission in under 15 mins.
This is after some 6-700 missions.
And when I started a lvl 1 paid about 7-12k per jobs, and a level 2 paid around 10-25k.
I could make so much more money mining veldspar, it's not even funny.
Also, your reward for mining is probably the stack of minerals in your hangar, or the isk you sold them for, or maybe even the ship you built with them.
And agent missions are as dull as ass. Except when the AP used to go on the fritz every 3rd station. that kept me busy...
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:04:00 -
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Ok so is there a time restraint on these missions? Well I know u have a certain amount of time to finish them but what about in between missions?
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:27:00 -
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Ok so is there a time restraint on these missions? Well I know u have a certain amount of time to finish them but what about in between missions?
with lvl 3 agents, there is a minimum wait of 15 minutes between jobs.
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.10.01 19:21:00 -
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And if your lucky, you will get an implant after 40 or so level 3 missions..
So.. If your really lucky.. You will get an implant after 13 hours of constant level 3 agent missions and waiting between them.
So if you could make 1 mill an hour (which is easy) you could just buy each implant on the market for your time.
14million for a Willpower Implant on the market.. This is pretty much a fair price given the CCP nerfs in progress.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers..
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.01 19:23:00 -
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And if your lucky, you will get an implant after 40 or so level 3 missions..
So.. If your really lucky.. You will get an implant after 13 hours of constant level 3 agent missions and waiting between them.
So if you could make 1 mill an hour (which is easy) you could just buy each implant on the market for your time.
14million for a Willpower Implant on the market.. This is pretty much a fair price given the CCP nerfs in progress.
I agree. I could've made more money mining veldspar than doing sufficient agent missions to get the same amount in implants.
However, those who made the effort of getting Level 3 Agents are much closer to Level 4 agents and their lovely rewards.
Long-term pay-off, methinks.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2003.10.01 19:31:00 -
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Yes.. I thought about that. Atleast we will be in line to take advantage of all the wonderful rewards we will get from our level 4 agents. For maybe the first week after they are activated.. After that i'm sure the riches you get off them, CCP will probably put a stop to it. |
Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.10.01 19:35:00 -
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There is certainly a lot of money to be made from them, that's for sure - and it's 100% safe (c'mon CCP, let's have a bit of piracy in Empire space, it's too bland at the moment). The one thing it needs a lot of time. If you're playing for a few hours a night, it's probably not worth the effort at all.
However...
If you're lucky enough to be able play for very extended periods, then the money is fantastic. I'm fortunate enough to work from home, and flicked over the Eve every time the autopilot stops doesn't get in the way of my work.
Due to the sheer amount of time required to get the implants, it's only productive with a certain playstyle - if you play for an intense few hours a night, you're much better off doing something else.
This isn't the first big-money windfall Eve has had. Anyone remember bistot in Empire space? (I do, because it was removed to 0.0 the day after I opened my account  )
- Carp Riddell
- CEO, Innsmouth Shipping
- Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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