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Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.07.02 04:51:00 - [1] What's the big fuss? This bugger isn't that hard. Get a fast ship that can tank, and you're good. Yet, every day on almost every public channel, it's Worlds Collide this and Worlds Collide that. Enough! Either CCP needs to make some more missions, or there should be a "how to do Worlds Collide" tipsheet built into the interface. This is getting out of hand. Even "where is Mankirk's Wife?" was said less in World of Warcraft.
Acceber Reuabnehel	Posted - 2006.07.02 07:37:00 - [2] I can do level 1 World's collide in a Punisher, 3 medium pulse cannons, 1 small nosferatu,1 cap recharger 1 small shield booster, 1 capacitor power relay, 1 power diagnostic, 1 small armor repairer, 1 nano-hull mod while I do have some 'special' verisions of those (ineffecient armour repairer, clarity shield booster) I could still complete it before I got the upgraded versions. Note-I only have the minimum required skills to operate these modules/ship. Out of the 30+ WC I have done, I've died 3 times, the very first time I did a WC (when my character was perhaps 3 days old) once when my internet connection froze for 45 seconds, and once when my dog got scared of the lightning outside and jumped into my lap and knocked the mouse on the ground) I always FULLY complete the mission (no running through to get to the gates/pilots--i kill everything) so it >IS< possible to do alone, and easily, at least at level 1. If you have sick troubles with it, you probably don't have a good ship setup, try something else.
Selfe	Posted - 2006.07.02 09:02:00 - [3] I did it in a kestrel on my first time so i dont know whats the fuss about ______________________ What does so0meone have to do to get a bloody Image up. Mods please let the world see my face!
Mastin Dragonfly	Posted - 2006.07.02 09:31:00 - [4] I think ppl are stuck with the idea that they have to kill everything that's red in the overview. It's the only lvl 1 mission where you have to think out of the box a bit.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.02 09:40:00 - [5] dont shoot everything just get ot the last stage shoot some things and youre in and finished
Mithrantir Ob'lontra	Posted - 2006.07.02 11:22:00 - [6] Ok you can shoot some npc down. It is not that you can't. But especially in the second stage things are tough. I only stayed and cleared the second stage the last time i took the mission (i had done this mission about 10 times so far) and only via the Serpentis path. Truth is that in order to clear everything one must have his/her skills at decent levels and furthermore use caution and tactics to avoid a whole room aggroing on you. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
dARkne5 fISh	Posted - 2006.07.02 17:55:00 - [7] The difference is using the left-hand gate to go into the 2nd room. So where is Mankirk's wife?
Craster McCormack	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:36:00 - [8] The problem is that it's a L1 mission. Brand new players get given this mission with no skills to run a ship that can tank well or sprint for the acceleration gates. Ergo, they die. So they cry for help about it.
Hatuk	Posted - 2006.07.08 10:18:00 - [9] very easy mission... with only 200k SP managed to finish it (now have 330 SP so still big newb) just AB to the research gate and thats it (they hit me only once). in 3rd room only hijackers that cant do any damage. 500k\mission i get in 0.3 system
Nocturnal Prince	Posted - 2006.07.08 11:36:00 - [10] Well tbh the lvl one version is fine if you just run for the gates but I found the level 4 version a lot tougher due to the fact that if you run for the gates you will have a cloud of HACs and Battleships following you. Even standing my ground and take one spawn at a time I had a few warpouts due to my tank dieing due to overdamage. Good isk though and it was the first mission in a long time to make me sweat . IMO it was perfectly balanced for my amount of SP and ability (9 mill combat SP in a fully T2 Raven). I like a challange but if you do the lvl 4 Worlds collide with the wrong mods or bad skills you will die. I suspect that is what people complain about, most people seem to want everything easy. Boost Amarr or nerf the rest, give us this 'balance' that you keep talking about.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 11:51:00 - [11] They need to fix the ****** so it only spawns in low sec
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.07.08 12:54:00 - [12] Good luck doing the level 4 version in a friggy... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Urdatorn	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:47:00 - [13] Originally by: HippoKing They need to fix the ****** so it only spawns in low sec Removing one of the few both fun and challenging missions from highsec? no thank you, go hide behind a rock
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 20:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Urdatorn Originally by: HippoKing They need to fix the ****** so it only spawns in low sec Removing one of the few both fun and challenging missions from highsec? no thank you, go hide behind a rock Its a bug, not a feature. Why do you think these patchnotes read as they do and only the guristas/serp one spawns in high sec?
Gadfly Hawke	Posted - 2006.07.08 20:41:00 - [15] I did the level 1 in a Merlin with no problem. If you read the instructions, it says that you don't have to kill anything except the guards on the frigate. It seems like most level 1 say to kill everything. People probably assume that this applies to WC as well, which is what gets them into trouble. G-Tek is recruiting
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 20:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Gadfly Hawke I did the level 1 in a Merlin with no problem. If you read the instructions, it says that you don't have to kill anything except the guards on the frigate. It seems like most level 1 say to kill everything. People probably assume that this applies to WC as well, which is what gets them into trouble. With the level4 version, you can either run it for LP and do it in minimum time (12mins undock-dock is my record) or you can run it for ISK and repeatedly kill everyone. Takes a while, but makes huge ISK/hour.
TheDeceit	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:02:00 - [17] For the level 4 worlds collide, just snipe the first two areas. The 3rd stage is easily tankable. --------
Urdatorn	Posted - 2006.07.09 09:21:00 - [18] Edited by: Urdatorn on 09/07/2006 09:21:13 Originally by: HippoKing With the level4 version, you can either run it for LP and do it in minimum time (12mins undock-dock is my record) or you can run it for ISK and repeatedly kill everyone. Takes a while, but makes huge ISK/hour. I saw the patchnotes to, but my answer still remains It's one of the most fun missions right now, removing it from highsec would just be perverted
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.09 09:29:00 - [19] Maybe they should nerf the profits in high sec then, its way too awesome for highsec right now.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/07/2006 11:25:01 Originally by: HippoKing Maybe they should nerf the profits in high sec then, its way too awesome for highsec right now. The dev post you linked to says its only available in low sec these days. Is the dev wrong? Edit: Ok, i read the entire thread this time. Only Angel one nerfed, but the rest are planned. Got it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Urdatorn	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:00:00 - [21] Originally by: HippoKing Maybe they should nerf the profits in high sec then, its way too awesome for highsec right now. Let me guess You allready have a way of grinding yourself towards tons of isk through lowsec, right? maybe a nice little complex to camp, a nice little 0.0 system to print you isk, somthing like that And now you realize that there is a mission in highsec that also give a little isk, nowhere nere what you can make rather easily, and nowhere nere as easy as ratting in 0.0, but a way of making more then 4mil a mission So you feel that it is your right as lowsec dweller to complain and whine on you? is that it? Thats what it sounds like really
Funkcikle	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:36:00 - [22] low security - High risk - High profit High security - Low Risk - Low profit You see how that balances out.. ehh ? Now bring all your carebears out to play in low sec
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.07.10 08:00:00 - [23] It's not like all the 0.0 alliances have the god given right to earn every single isk that drops across eve. these "omg high-sec people earn isks, bring them to 0.0 so we can podd them" comments are getting pointless. Mission running and Ravens have been nerfed over and over for ages now, and there is still a queue of nerfes to be implemented. People that brag about the 100 million of isks the make every hour are 1. showing off or 2. fly around in pimped up CN ravens or Rattlsnakes with gist boosters and stuff. Alot of the missions are already too hard to be done with a standard Raven with only named or tech 2 crap mods, which is fair enough since this encurage for teamplay. I did World Collides and made 30 mill + in bounties and got me one arbalest sige launcher but this took me over an hour. No fat rats and no fat loot... I have played the game for 2,5 years and I have only once gotten an officer spawn from any of the mission which droped a medium dred smart bomb (it's still collecting dust btw). This includes doing missions in high sec, low sec and 0.0. If this is too much for you 0.0 *****s to bare with then do me a favour and quit the game. The risk vs reward is pretty balanced as it is. I suppose you guys will be happy when the ammo expense is higer than the income from bounties ________________________________________________
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.07.10 08:40:00 - [24] Quote: "omg high-sec people earn isks, bring them to 0.0 so we can podd them" /Signed Quote: Mission running and Ravens have been nerfed over and over for ages now, and there is still a queue of nerfes to be implemented. The Raven has not been nerfed, It recieved a boost. And with tech II precision cruise its back to the overpowered state it allways was. Quote: I did World Collides and made 30 mill + in bounties and got me one arbalest sige launcher but this took me over an hour. And you dont see that as a little wrong ? What with you still being in highsec and all. Risk V Reward ? Quote: No fat rats and no fat loot... I have played the game for 2,5 years and I have only once gotten an officer spawn from any of the mission which droped a medium dred smart bomb (it's still collecting dust btw). As far as im aware Officers only spawn in 0.0. Quote: The risk vs reward is pretty balanced as it is. I suppose you guys will be happy when the ammo expense is higer than the income from bounties Or maybe its not ? . Risk Vs reward is not balanced at all for highsec V 0.0. And hasn't been since level 4 missions where introduced. Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.10 09:19:00 - [25] Originally by: MrRookie I have played the game for 2,5 years and I have only once gotten an officer spawn from any of the mission which droped a medium dred smart bomb (it's still collecting dust btw). This includes doing missions in high sec, low sec and 0.0. Officers dont' spawn on missions. Commanders do. I got 4 yesterday. Some people have all the luck when doing stupidly broken missions
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.07.10 09:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii The Raven has not been nerfed, It recieved a boost. And with tech II precision cruise its back to the overpowered state it allways was. Balanced then. The Raven was way out of balance before, the tech 2 ammo is a different issue. Personally I don't use tech 2 missiles for missions since the cost is mor then what I'd like to spend. Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii And you dont see that as a little wrong ? What with you still being in highsec and all. Risk V Reward ? Let's say that was a total of 30 mill counting one hour. So tell me is how much would you allow someone to make make for a one hour effort in high sec space? Since when did 30 mill become much? Note that I have all tech 2 equipment and a gist type booster along with 25 mill SP. Most other players or newer characters doing missions in high secure space probably strugle more making the income that high. I have done my share of ratting in 0.0 and it's easy and more rewarding, and don't exaggerate the risk. Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii As far as im aware Officers only spawn in 0.0. Commanders then, I think you got my point Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Or maybe its not ? . Risk Vs reward is not balanced at all for highsec V 0.0. And hasn't been since level 4 missions where introduced. Crap loot and crap bounties isn't enough...? so exactly how much should the rewards be then? ________________________________________________
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.07.10 09:49:00 - [27] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: MrRookie I have played the game for 2,5 years and I have only once gotten an officer spawn from any of the mission which droped a medium dred smart bomb (it's still collecting dust btw). This includes doing missions in high sec, low sec and 0.0. Officers dont' spawn on missions. Commanders do. I got 4 yesterday. Some people have all the luck when doing stupidly broken missions Yes, I was alitle fast on the trigger there I would like to see some of that luck soon myself. I have done missions in any sec systems and even when ratting in 0.0 the best I ever got was some faction ammo, the med dread smartie and a serpentis passive hardner but that one I got from a 4/10 complex. It's probably because I have done most of the missions in high secure space since I don't have the time or dedication to join any serious corps in 0.0 but still... I would like to see more of these commander spawns everyone talk about : / ________________________________________________
Edania	Posted - 2006.07.10 12:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Urdatorn Originally by: HippoKing Maybe they should nerf the profits in high sec then, its way too awesome for highsec right now. Let me guess You allready have a way of grinding yourself towards tons of isk through lowsec, right? maybe a nice little complex to camp, a nice little 0.0 system to print you isk, somthing like that And now you realize that there is a mission in highsec that also give a little isk, nowhere nere what you can make rather easily, and nowhere nere as easy as ratting in 0.0, but a way of making more then 4mil a mission So you feel that it is your right as lowsec dweller to complain and whine on you? is that it? Thats what it sounds like really and what this sounds like is the post of a 13 year old with no conception of game mechanics if you can earn more money in empire than in low sec then what is the point of low sec? why not make the whole game map 1.0? or better yet make Eve a 1 player game after all it will save on CCPs running costs
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.07.10 13:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Edania Originally by: Urdatorn Originally by: HippoKing Maybe they should nerf the profits in high sec then, its way too awesome for highsec right now. Let me guess You allready have a way of grinding yourself towards tons of isk through lowsec, right? maybe a nice little complex to camp, a nice little 0.0 system to print you isk, somthing like that And now you realize that there is a mission in highsec that also give a little isk, nowhere nere what you can make rather easily, and nowhere nere as easy as ratting in 0.0, but a way of making more then 4mil a mission So you feel that it is your right as lowsec dweller to complain and whine on you? is that it? Thats what it sounds like really and what this sounds like is the post of a 13 year old with no conception of game mechanics if you can earn more money in empire than in low sec then what is the point of low sec? why not make the whole game map 1.0? or better yet make Eve a 1 player game after all it will save on CCPs running costs Actually you are sounding pretty much like the poster you are quoting. Noone of complaints about high sec mission runners making to much isk are well argued for. They are either refering to people in billionary pimp ravens running missions, exploits, farmable missions. Arguments like "omg high sec people make to much isk, I don't know how much or how they do it, but I think they do atleast..." doesn't really call for any nerfs. Anything that can be done in high secure space can be done with much more profitt in 0.0, especially mission running, so i don't know what this whining is about. And if you have so much knowledge about the game mechanics would you care to explain to me how high sec people manage to make more isk than 0.0 players? ________________________________________________
Grewal	Posted - 2006.07.10 14:06:00 - [30] I did this mission in a rifter on my first try... I dont know what the fuss is about. Now im onto level 3 missions...and some of them are really hard.

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