When you start playing this game and you're after a few isk to buy ships and gear there isn't too many options to go about doing this, one option is to run missions, which I did and now my factions standards are screwed.

Now I'm wanting to join a friend to do faction warfare and my faction standards are too low to join him so I'm left with a few options.

I can grind for a very long time - screw that. (doing it at the moment but getting very tired of it)

I can train up another toon - screw that.

I can spend more money and buy another toon -screw that.

I can sit in on somebody doing missions and share the standings increases they get - good in theory but you have to be on at the same time as somebody that is willing to do it.

I can cancel my subsciption and forget the game excists - viable.

Why would a game create grind by putting in a feature and not warning you about the repercussions or even that it is occuring?

Do CCP make money out of this?

I can't recall any mission giving me any indication that a negative event was occuring, only that a great thing was happening when I did a storyline mission.

Did I miss something along the way?

This is an important mission, which will have significant impact on your faction standings.

Train diplomacy to 5. It will help a great deal in mitigating the harm you've done to your standings.
From there some of your options aren't terrible, spamming quick missions to get storyline missions can help, just be choosy for whom you work.

Edit: Also, pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something.

Did I miss something along the way?

Is it no longer possible for him (the guy with good faction standings) to start a corp, enroll it in faction warfare and for you then to join that corp?
Or is there now a check which will kick that corp when the aggregate standings are calculated?

I don't understand why we can't buy faction standing like we can sec status. Forcing the grind is bad.

You can.

Yep. It is called datacenters.

The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover.

Aren't they one time missions? Not to mention needlessly complicated and annoying mechanics. The whole standings mechanics could really use a makeover.

Not accusing you of this, but as a general observation the whole "this could really use a makeover" is usually a statement that "things could be made easier'.

No need to make things easier as he already has several viable options to correct things.

The NPE could be made more explicit about these things so new players are more informed about the consequences of their choices, but the consequences don't need to be changed.

Yep. It is called datacenters.

Screw that?
Screw You!
Path.etic Clown you are.

Edith says: training skills will do pathetic Clown no good because "raw Skills" count.
Screw that!
There are numerous warnings along the "mission briefings" for Clowns like you.

You are exactly right. It should be made easier. I don't see that the complexity of the plan (and the compulsory grind that goes with it) add enough positive gameplay to justify the nuisance. Compare the plan with the sec status tags in which you acquire, take to a lowsec station, pay some isk and you're done.

Note that I'm not arguing for any change to consequences, just the mechanics to repair those consequences.

Think more elaborate, no need to get stuck on datacenters.

Edit: another hint is that this requires social interaction, which is obviously not allowed in an MMO.

I have to agree with the OP on this one.

For something that can have fairly annoying consequences, the standings system is laughably obscure for a new player.


Simply changing that to 'Dude, if you complete this mission Amarr will love you but Minmatar will hate your guts and eventually shoot at you in their highsec space' would be an improvement.

Seeing as you are my first troll I believe you need a little attention and a bit of guidance.

You obviously have a few issues that need to be sorted out.

The English language, very dificult it is and I can tell you are working hard at it and probably don't even realise that you are being rude.

When I say screw that about an activity, I'm not insulting you I'm merely conveying my dislike for said activity

I'm sorry I found fault in a game that you hold so dear.

Did I miss something along the way?

Seeing as you are my first troll I believe you need a little attention and a bit of guidance.

You obviously have a few issues that need to be sorted out.

The English language, very dificult it is and I can tell you are working hard at it and probably don't even realise that you are being rude.

When I say screw that about an activity, I'm not insulting you I'm merely conveying my dislike for said activity

I'm sorry I found fault in a game that you hold so dear.

.../blinks

Clearly the OP needs to pay more attention, but i can understand how this can happen. This game has so much information that at first i guess you ignore most of it & try to jump straight into the action, blindly playing like its a hack / slash (or WoW game).

"Red text = Warning please Read me" Working as intended

Perhaps the "Red text" should be glowing red & all flashy neons, or:

Flashy Lights - Animation

Now let's compare the Tags-4-Sec with datacenters.

I buy tags
I warp to datacenter
I open and instantly complete them.

Voila, Faction standings.

Does that fully repair your standings against the faction? I thought they were one time only. I admit that I've never done it - I looked over the plan and decided to do something else instead. It looked awful.

Regardless, I'm quite sanguine about the faction mechanics. The upcoming removal of standings requirements from POS anchoring indicates that CCP is inclined toward good design rather than historical equity. I think they will continue to promote player-player consequence rather than player-NPC consequence and that this will flow into a revision of standings mechanics when they get around to it.

Not that I think that will be soon - they have bigger fish to fry.

Train diplomacy to 5. It will help a great deal in mitigating the harm you've done to your standings.
From there some of your options aren't terrible, spamming quick missions to get storyline missions can help, just be choosy for whom you work.

Edit: Also, pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something.

Which part looked awful?

Start working 'The Plan' with the Empire Faction that has the lowest amount of negative Faction Standing above -5.00 (-4.99 or higher) and complete the 10 part mission series for each of the 15 Career Agents in that specific Faction.

Career Agents
After working the Career Agents, complete one round of the Circle Agent missions for that same specific Faction.

Circle Agents
After completing one round of the Circle Agent missions, now work the level 1 Data Center 'Graduation Certificate' missions for the same specific Faction. After completing the 3rd 'Cert' mission, take one of the certs to the Agent listed on the certificate. That Agent will offer a multi part Storyline mission which will introduce another Event Agent.

Data Centers
After completing those missions, turn in Pirate Tags to complete the rest of the Level 1 Data Center Agents. Don't speak to these Agents until ready with the required amount of Tags. Pirate Tags can be found in the wrecks of Pirate NPC's killed at Asteroid Belts, Cosmic Signature and Cosmic Anomaly exploration sites.

I don't think we should be forced to interact with the NPC side of the game to that extent. NPC interaction is not why I play.

The missions.

I don't want to grind missions. I don't think we should be forced to interact with the NPC side of the game to that extent. NPC interaction is not why I play.

Then don't interact with NPCs. Simple, huh?

Well, obviously it took time to incur the negative standings so it will also take time to repair them as well. Basically 'The Plan' outlines the easiest and quickest way to repair standings, especially since every single Event Agent listed in it gives Faction standing increase.


Exactly.


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Here is a screenshot of mission that you get a faction standings loss of -2.4%.

While some people will say I'm stupid for not realising that shooting a Caldari ship will result in a standings loss, some missions allow you to shoot opposing factions without any penalty so it's not even consistant.

Transperancy is the issue here, nowhere on that mission window does it state that I will receive a standings loss for completing the mission, only that I can from declining it.

"...and kill all the Caldari in the area..."

Does that sound after a mission that gives you positive standing with Caldari?

I know there are countries where the people incapacitate themselves by demanding warning labels for everything that could go wrong while using the product in question. Please do not try to introduce that into a virtual reality with no impact on real life.

It is common sense that if you shoot the Caldari - they wont give you a prize.
The Caldari are allied with the Amarr so if you shoot an Amarr - neither of them will be especially thrilled.

This is really a very simple concept and makes intuitive decision making easy.

If you have trouble with that then you should rather try to gain some cognitive abilities rather than wasting your time reclaming that CCP should dull down the mechanics to a level of your comprehension.
I would recomend this online training programm for a start.

If I have been rude before I wont apologize - the forum police clearly worked hard for the retrieval of your honor anyway.
I will not be rude to You again but just plain honest.
Fly save

I don't think anyone is contesting that actions have consequences, but the lack of the notion of time served, or of progressive return to acceptability as time goes on, of forgiveness and corruption, which are very human and true to life traits, means that Eve lacks realism, even while players insist the opposite is true.

It has been mentioned that the reputation system lacks refinement, surely we all agree on that?

Every mission which has an effect on your faction standings has the above warning. It does not state whether the effect is good or bad - you can see that for yourself when you follow up on the warning by checking the resulting change in standing when completing said mission.

You're expecting people to actually read? It's more fun not to then complain in the forms.

I don't want to grind missions. I don't think we should be forced to interact with the NPC side of the game to that extent. NPC interaction is not why I play.

Faction war is in essence PvP with a bit of "arena" style limited PvP allowed.

If you want to PvP just start roaming losec looking for trouble. Standings only matter for PvE actvities like FW and missions.

OP....

Go play something else. Problem solved...

It is common sense that if you shoot the Caldari - they wont give you a prize.
The Caldari are allied with the Amarr so if you shoot an Amarr - neither of them will be especially thrilled.