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KateLice
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Posted - 2006.07.03 04:50:00 -
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Recent actions in the North have led to a state of confusion. Many previous friends have become enemies, and there is chaos on all sides. The SPARTA Alliance recently announced we were aligning ourselves with the Northern Freedom Coalition.
In the light of today's events, and all the friendly fire incidents SPARTA has decided to reverse its position and declare a state of neutrality. Having friends on both sides of this conflict deeply saddens us.
The necessity of these events cannot be questioned. SPARTA will be maintaining a vigorous defense of the D-AWFI Constellation. We will not allow any of the conflicting parties to base out of D-AWFI.
With the utmost respect to all involved.
KateLice
Lynx Frontier
Sparta Allince
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Trespasser
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Posted - 2006.07.03 04:52:00 -
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/signed
My name is Trespasser and I approved this Message!
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BiONetworks
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Posted - 2006.07.03 04:55:00 -
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Signed.
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Kirex
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Posted - 2006.07.03 04:57:00 -
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/Signed
oh..wait..
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 03/07/2006 05:04:52
nevermind :)
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:04:00 -
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much respect Sparta
~Foto
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:09:00 -
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/signed
FREEE has set Sparta to 0.0, and pilots have been informed not to agress. We'd set ya all +10, but standings limit sucks.
Please convo myself or SweatySack should any incidents happen.
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Munch
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:37:00 -
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/signed
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Nacona
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Posted - 2006.07.03 05:55:00 -
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As confusing as this is getting politically .. Sparta was born in Fade and our loyalty is to the D2(G) Alliance as it has been since day 1 . This loyalty extends to include those who are also aligned with them.
I hope all parties involved understand our decisions to revert to neutrality as we refuse to engage friends ..
Please respect our soverienty and keep the fighting out of D-AWFI ..
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TekkyHead
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Posted - 2006.07.03 06:05:00 -
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Who the f*** is David Hope?
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Montaire
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Posted - 2006.07.03 06:08:00 -
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David Hope is a member of the ruling body of the NFC.
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Moridan
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Posted - 2006.07.03 06:23:00 -
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I'm kinda curious as to what these events and friendly fire situations were .. i have been listening and watching and most of the things i've heard stated today seem to have been fabricated.
"Speak quietly and carry a big torpedo."
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DONJUAN v
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Posted - 2006.07.03 07:04:00 -
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 Originally by: TekkyHead
Who the f*** is David Hope?
the point is....
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Avernus
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Posted - 2006.07.03 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Avernus on 03/07/2006 08:01:03
Originally by: Moridan
Actually after some discussion the real reason seemed to come to light, and i can't help but be saddened by it.
Bah... these forums just don't want to cooperate when I hit submit.
I'm an unbiased observer in all of this, just wanted to say one thing. Be careful when you draw conclusions as to what the 'real reason' is for Spartas current actions. If it is due to talks you have had with Sparta themselves, that is one thing; if it is the 'common sense' answer that has been formed from internal talk, it's surprising how often it turns out to be wrong.
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Mar Drakar
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mar Drakar on 03/07/2006 08:31:04
if you ask me (that means its my personal oppinion)
you are either with us or against us, youre not alone who had to pop guys who are/were friends, but this is war.
such "neutralities" can bite me personally, but alliances and corps MUST have balls to make hard decisions and stand firm, such as DSL in CORE (now they will be booted from core afaik, but thats just another example of firm stance that I respect).
neutrality is no stance.
Neutrals are shot in deklein.
Neutrals do not deserve positive standings.
thats my reasoning why you should be shot (MY REASONING)
I dont know official response to this so I express my oppinion.
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Avril Dewar
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Avril Dewar on 03/07/2006 08:55:41
The official response from NFC is that Sparta will always be welcomed and regarded as friendly by NFC. I think nothing less of Sparta for this decision. Had I been in their position, I would have made exactly the same choice. We hope to be flying with Sparta again soon. Until then, fly safe o/
Avril 
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:58:00 -
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We'll still visit CZDJ, but trust me when I say it's nothing personal 
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Bonny Cloud
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:11:00 -
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OK then the only thing you can do now is hoping NFC will win.
Cause you ll be next if they fail.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:49:00 -
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Sitting on the fence ftw?
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:28:00 -
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so you guys wont be shooting NFC or FLA ?
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sypher313 on 03/07/2006 10:29:35
Originally by: Mar Drakar
Edited by: Mar Drakar on 03/07/2006 08:31:04
if you ask me (that means its my personal oppinion)
you are either with us or against us, youre not alone who had to pop guys who are/were friends, but this is war.
such "neutralities" can bite me personally, but alliances and corps MUST have balls to make hard decisions and stand firm, such as DSL in CORE (now they will be booted from core afaik, but thats just another example of firm stance that I respect).
neutrality is no stance.
Neutrals are shot in deklein.
Neutrals do not deserve positive standings.
thats my reasoning why you should be shot (MY REASONING)
I dont know official response to this so I express my oppinion.
you sir (bold bit and underlined) are completely ill informed and incorect in what you say there.
We gave all CORE corps the opportunity to take whichever direction they choose to take with no strings dislike or hard feelings. Its up to them if they stay or go. THEIR CHOICE you read me?
We are not kicking any corps out of CORE. so stop spreading that crap.
thanks have a nice ride.
**edit cant spell fer shoot
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DDaisy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bonny Cloud
OK then the only thing you can do now is hoping NFC will win.
Cause you ll be next if they fail.
Bonny think you selected the wrong character to post with? Or perhaps you don't have the ******* to post with your main. Or perhaps Bonny is your main, in which case 6 months in a n00b corp gives you no opinion on what goes on in 0.0 because everyone will shoot you.
Post with a main in an official thread or f.o.
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Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:50:00 -
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DDaisy is HOT!!!
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:57:00 -
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God im getting confused now.
Nice 1 sparta.
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Drachenlord
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Posted - 2006.07.03 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mar Drakar
Edited by: Mar Drakar on 03/07/2006 08:31:04
if you ask me (that means its my personal oppinion)
you are either with us or against us, youre not alone who had to pop guys who are/were friends, but this is war.
such "neutralities" can bite me personally, but alliances and corps MUST have balls to make hard decisions and stand firm, such as DSL in CORE (now they will be booted from core afaik, but thats just another example of firm stance that I respect).
neutrality is no stance.
Neutrals are shot in deklein.
Neutrals do not deserve positive standings.
thats my reasoning why you should be shot (MY REASONING)
I dont know official response to this so I express my oppinion.
So you respect Firm Positions and decisions, then you have nothing but to respect the position of that collective boot in your hindquarters....
Also, as Sypher stated, you are misinformed, please, until you are a member of CORE. and have a true understanding of how we operate (never gonna happen btw) keep your small minded and uninformed comments to yourself.
As for Neutral stances in war's involving two groups of friends... Fine by me.... Good Luck Sparta...
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:12:00 -
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My apology for the late reply, but sadly I have a different life to attend to, if only rarely and briefly.
The FLA obviously welcome your decision, as we have never entertained any bad feelings towards Sparta. We hope and expect to continue to enjoy a friendly and productive relationship when the last page of the current dime novel is written. Whatever the outcome, we hope Sparta will continue to prosper.
For the FLA Council,
Heero Yuy
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Mar Drakar
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:22:00 -
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well if I'm missinformed then I am eh?... but that does not chnge anything in the main idea right? ... so sry to mention you guys and sry you take it so serious, but thats what i've heard and I think I could get up the logs, but whatever if you say thats not the way it is then fine by me.
and for bunches... why the smack? ...
If you want luck to smile on you - give it a chance to do so. |
Zimi Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mar Drakar
well if I'm missinformed then I am eh?... but that does not chnge anything in the main idea right? ... so sry to mention you guys and sry you take it so serious, but thats what i've heard and I think I could get up the logs, but whatever if you say thats not the way it is then fine by me.
and for bunches... why the smack? ...
Then your source is wrong.
FREE Explorer is very close with venture. We know what CORE is and why they formed it. Anyone in there is free to join and leave of their own volition, and venture will not kick anyone from it. Corp that leave because of the conflict are welcome to go back at any time.
I can feed you correct info on the goings ons with CORE if you're really that interested in it. The alliance itself is really quite inconsequential. The corps within still control their own way 100%.
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Turq
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:42:00 -
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[ 2006.07.01 22:25:29 ] Zidock > NFC please set CORE. to enemy and remove us from this channel, ty gl and have fun =)
[ 2006.07.01 22:25:45 ] PanzerGrenadier > not DSL though please
[ 2006.07.01 22:26:00 ] Zidock > dsl will be leaving core
I wonder where he got the idea DSL would be leaving CORE?
Now you can stop ragging on him.
Avril - /signed
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Davey Locke
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:53:00 -
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Turq (and the NFC) should know how quickly situations can change.
Yesterdays miners and "guests" are todays owners of stations and outposts....for now!
And so if DSL change there mind and decide to stay in CORE. they can do so...unlike your current situation where you dont have a choice.
Hope you've packed your bags mate.....
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Drachenlord
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Turq
[ 2006.07.01 22:25:29 ] Zidock > NFC please set CORE. to enemy and remove us from this channel, ty gl and have fun =)
[ 2006.07.01 22:25:45 ] PanzerGrenadier > not DSL though please
[ 2006.07.01 22:26:00 ] Zidock > dsl will be leaving core
I wonder where he got the idea DSL would be leaving CORE?
Now you can stop ragging on him.
Avril - /signed
LOL... dsl will be leaving core.... hmmm I wonder how that translates to... VNTR will be Kicking DSL from CORE.?
to Quote an alliance mail:
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2006.06.30 15:52
I wont get into responding to things specifically said below other than to say the following:
What VNTR (CORE.) does is up to us.
If Corps do not want to join in in what we do, no hard feelings.
If you choose either side we wish you well.
If this is not something you want to participate in thats fair and understandable.
We would bare no grudge if you left CORE.
remember this situation is evolving and nothing is set in stone atm.
Life goes on, the sky is not falling.
have fun play nasty and leave me alone.
Sypher
Also, whats this I hear that your own diplomats have attempted to convince the other corps in CORE. to pull a mutiny and eject VNTR from our alliance? Who the fk is David Hope?
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Davey Locke
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Davey Locke on 03/07/2006 15:51:53
David Hope???
Do you mean David "Never Hada" Hope??
The only question NFC have to answer is.....How many Ravens was the North worth?
I'm sure the answer will soon be available on the IRON killboards.
"Quick.....Bring out the Carrier!!!"
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Montaire
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:53:00 -
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Cut out the smack talk. You're better than this.
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Davey Locke
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:30:00 -
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Sorry mate...your absolutely right and smack will only lead to this post (which has served its purpose) being locked.
Let me rephrase my previous post...
The only question NFC need to answer is...
How many Covetors can you fit in a Freighter?
"Quick...bring out the carrier"
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Eutectic
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:42:00 -
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Wow, Venture forms a corp for the sole convenience of being able to set standings to alliances rather than 500 gazzillion individual corps.
A few people we happen to like ask if it would be OK to join Core for same convenience. We say fine but understand that the standings will always be Venture's. Not because we're jerks, but hey we paid the 1 bill ISK for the convenience. We don't charge dues, we don't have an alliance board. We do let them use our TS if they want for free. It's actually a pretty good deal. And most importantly we don't tell them what to do in EVE.
It's really that simple. Core has no political aspirations. Venture has no real political aspirations. We will stand by our friends and for those that seem not able to take us at our word, we've said in many posts that we'll always consider Exo our best friend in Eve.
Other corps that have joined Core were not pressured in any way to attack NFC or for that mattered encouraged to join IRON ops. To put it bluntly we don't care. We did tell them that Core standings would have NFC set hostile and they may want to leave Core. to avoid having misunderstandings. We've also told them that if they leave they would be welecome back at later date if they wanted to rejoin.
Anyway I'd ask all Venture players to stop derailing this thread. It's about Sparta's intentions not ours.
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DJV's Lawyer
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Posted - 2006.07.03 19:16:00 -
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reading this post will only make kills more enjoyable
smack is 50% of the fun
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:58:00 -
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I can fully back up everything said above about the creation and operation of Core., as we tossed around the idea of joining them for quite some time to solve our own standings issues. Ultimately, we decided to do our own thing for just this very reason, and the same reason that Core. was formed. We do our own thing, have our own friends and enemies, and like to have control over our own standings.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.04 10:33:00 -
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mmmm anyone else wanna join this party
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:19:00 -
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<3 davey locke.
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Dieharder
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Posted - 2006.07.10 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dieharder on 10/07/2006 00:29:27
Originally by: Drachenlord
Who the fk is David Hope?
David Hope
David hope is a bit like Keyser Soze, as in he can set up anything. blackmailed by a lawyer named Kobayash
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